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JoeyT

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12. So you're going to redefine "police state" enough

Mon May 21, 2012, 02:16 AM

May 2012

that it doesn't fit?

A cop raping someone wouldn't even be reported because all that would happen is cops and their bootlicks would blame the victim and the cop would get away with it because they're a special privileged class. You know, the same thing that happens when they beat the dogshit out of innocent protesters.

Are we counting the federal government in murdered or vanished permanently? Because they pretty much admit to it.

Rapes ain't necessarily part of the definition of police state. They happen, yeah. But they happen now. Murders and disappearances aren't either, thought they happen too. And when those are happening in the open the usual suspects will be screaming "Well yeah murders and rapes, but not MASS murders and rapes! Whiners!"

It's taking a huge amount of willpower just to remain remotely civil.

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