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Sancho

(9,206 posts)
9. The overlap with Socialism, Scandinavia, and Bernie is one he chooses and rejects conveniently.
Mon Aug 24, 2015, 07:11 AM
Aug 2015

Bernie acts like any other American politician sometimes, and he simply goes with the people he represents in Vermont. On other issues, he gets traction by citing European socialists memes, and sometimes he moves pretty close to the Socialist Party USA. It seems that he picks what he thinks that his target group wants - with a touch of rebelliousness to get attention, and a bit of populist sentiment. Bernie does not, to me, represent a solid social value. He clearly focuses on economic justice, but has overlooked social justice on occasion. At least recently, Bernie has avoided discussions of "socialism" or "democratic socialists" since he is well aware that being labeled will be bad for the campaign, and very few people know or care about nuanced differences in definitions. Just a couple examples:

On some issues, Bernie sounds exactly like quotes you can find on the socialist party websites if you hunt around:

http://socialistparty-usa.net

Democratic revolutions are needed to dissolve the power now exercised by the few who control great wealth and the government. By revolution we mean a radical and fundamental change in the structure and quality of economic, political, and personal relations.
So-called fair trade is meaningless as long as the world economy is dominated by a few massive corporations.
We call for a minimum wage of $15 per hour, indexed to the cost of living.
We call for the elimination of subsidies and tax breaks that benefit corporations and all other forms of corporate welfare.
We oppose the court-created precedent of “corporate personhood” that illegitimately gives corporations rights that were intended for human beings.


On the other hand, Bernie is notably different on clearly social issues like gun control compared to Finland, Sweden, Norway, and Denmark; here's one:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overview_of_gun_laws_by_nation#Finland

Finland[edit]
Main article: Gun politics in Finland
The ownership and use of firearms in Finland is regulated by the country's Firearms Act of 1998. Weapons are individually licensed by local police forces, there is no limit on the number of licenses an individual may hold. Licenses are granted for recreational uses, exhibition or (under certain circumstances) professional use. No type of weapon is explicitly prohibited, but licences are granted only for a reason. In general, this excludes all but hunting and sports guns from non-professional use.
With the exception of law enforcement, only specially trained security guards may carry loaded weapons in public. There is almost no regulation of air rifles or crossbows, except that it is illegal to carry or fire them in public. Guns are divided into 13 firearms categories and four action categories; some of which are limited. Fully automatic weapons, rockets and cannons (so called "destructive" weapons), for example, are generally not permitted.
In November 2007 Finland updated their gun laws, pre-empting a new EU directive prohibiting the carrying of firearms by under-18's by removing the ability of 15- to 18-year-olds to carry hunting rifles under parental guidance. In 2011, after controversial high school shootings in 2008 prompted government review, a constitutional law committee concluded that people over the age of 20 can receive a permit for semiautomatic handguns. Though individuals have to show a continuous activity in a handguns sporting for last two years before they can have a license for their own gun.


http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2015/05/bernie_sanders_on_guns_vermont_independent_voted_against_gun_control_for.html
http://dailycaller.com/2015/05/01/bernie-sanders-second-amendment-socialist/#ixzz3c673QCfm
http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/run-2016/2015/07/10/bernies-big-break-with-the-left-on-guns

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Good OP. One nitpick: Bernie has never advocated for an economic revolution, but a political one. Scuba Aug 2015 #1
good catch!! gobears10 Aug 2015 #2
Great OP. You nailed it. mmonk Aug 2015 #3
That seems a good explanation muriel_volestrangler Aug 2015 #4
Most of the current GOP are technically safeinOhio Aug 2015 #5
+1 mmonk Aug 2015 #6
Now, all you have to do is explain that "technical difference" to the voters... brooklynite Aug 2015 #7
I don't know about him, but I don't want to explain it to voters. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2015 #10
And that's the key, and do it with multiple videos of him out there saying he is a Socialist or stevenleser Aug 2015 #26
I'm guilty myself, although it's part of a deliberate attempt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2015 #8
The overlap with Socialism, Scandinavia, and Bernie is one he chooses and rejects conveniently. Sancho Aug 2015 #9
What other social issues 'like' gun control? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2015 #11
Here's a few...got to go to work now, but this should do... Sancho Aug 2015 #12
Oddly, National Nurses Union endorsed him largely based on the Robin Hood tax. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2015 #13
Maybe their retirement is not invested in state funds? Sancho Aug 2015 #38
Meh - the UK currently has a 0.5% transaction tax on stock purchases muriel_volestrangler Aug 2015 #17
Yes, I'm a member...and our local state analysis shows the tax would hurt retirees here. Sancho Aug 2015 #37
It looks to me like unions support it muriel_volestrangler Aug 2015 #40
There may be some differences across states and unions. Sancho Aug 2015 #42
Sanders has specified that he is a Demcoratic Socialist. I take him at his word. merrily Aug 2015 #14
he's incorrect in his usage gobears10 Aug 2015 #15
I am not so sure of that, as to the USA merrily Aug 2015 #16
The DSA is the point: muriel_volestrangler Aug 2015 #18
Believing in collectives and cooperatives does not equal believing goverment should seize merrily Aug 2015 #20
From the OP: muriel_volestrangler Aug 2015 #22
That is not the definition of socialism, though. merrily Aug 2015 #23
And all of that is fine, but a lot of people in the U.S. Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #19
And that is why fixating on labels is counter-productive. merrily Aug 2015 #21
Our generation sure (or maybe our parents) - TBF Aug 2015 #24
Millennials are definitely less redphobic. Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #25
But not by enough that it is likely to matter. Only 69% of 18-29's willing to consider voting for stevenleser Aug 2015 #27
Yeah, I've sent that poll to some of the optimists in my organization too. Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #30
Agreed. As I said in my above comment to Brooklynite, you aren't going to be able to fight stevenleser Aug 2015 #28
Especially when a large part of the population already thinks President Obama Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #31
Agree that "social democrat" is the more applicable term. DirkGently Aug 2015 #29
what about the post office banks Mrs. Warren mentioned a couple years ago? Sunlei Aug 2015 #33
That was an interesting proposition. DirkGently Aug 2015 #34
or at least allow some new banks to open to give competition to the big 4? who control the USA Sunlei Aug 2015 #39
Sanders has been a sitting Senator for decades. He must have done something right to be so beloved. Sunlei Aug 2015 #32
Would you say the same for Strom Thurmond? brooklynite Aug 2015 #35
He was loved by the 'slavery system' voters, doesn't his son sit on the 'for profit' prison corp Sunlei Aug 2015 #36
That's a good point... Sancho Aug 2015 #41
a lot of people... gobears10 Aug 2015 #43
He's got my vote. Iggo Aug 2015 #44
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