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In reply to the discussion: Bernie Sanders is technically a social democrat, not a democratic socialist [View all]muriel_volestrangler
(106,249 posts)18. The DSA is the point:
Doesn't socialism mean that the government will own and run everything?
A:
Democratic socialists do not want to create an all-powerful government bureaucracy. But we do not want big corporate bureaucracies to control our society either. Rather, we believe that social and economic decisions should be made by those whom they most affect.
Today, corporate executives who answer only to themselves and a few wealthy stockholders make basic economic decisions affecting millions of people. Resources are used to make money for capitalists rather than to meet human needs. We believe that the workers and consumers who are affected by economic institutions should own and control them.
Social ownership could take many forms, such as worker-owned cooperatives or publicly owned enterprises managed by workers and consumer representatives. Democratic socialists favor as much decentralization as possible. While the large concentrations of capital in industries such as energy and steel may necessitate some form of state ownership, many consumer-goods industries might be best run as cooperatives.
Democratic socialists have long rejected the belief that the whole economy should be centrally planned. While we believe that democratic planning can shape major social investments like mass transit, housing, and energy, market mechanisms are needed to determine the demand for many consumer goods.
http://www.dsausa.org/what_is_democratic_socialism
A:
Democratic socialists do not want to create an all-powerful government bureaucracy. But we do not want big corporate bureaucracies to control our society either. Rather, we believe that social and economic decisions should be made by those whom they most affect.
Today, corporate executives who answer only to themselves and a few wealthy stockholders make basic economic decisions affecting millions of people. Resources are used to make money for capitalists rather than to meet human needs. We believe that the workers and consumers who are affected by economic institutions should own and control them.
Social ownership could take many forms, such as worker-owned cooperatives or publicly owned enterprises managed by workers and consumer representatives. Democratic socialists favor as much decentralization as possible. While the large concentrations of capital in industries such as energy and steel may necessitate some form of state ownership, many consumer-goods industries might be best run as cooperatives.
Democratic socialists have long rejected the belief that the whole economy should be centrally planned. While we believe that democratic planning can shape major social investments like mass transit, housing, and energy, market mechanisms are needed to determine the demand for many consumer goods.
http://www.dsausa.org/what_is_democratic_socialism
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Bernie Sanders is technically a social democrat, not a democratic socialist [View all]
gobears10
Aug 2015
OP
Good OP. One nitpick: Bernie has never advocated for an economic revolution, but a political one.
Scuba
Aug 2015
#1
Now, all you have to do is explain that "technical difference" to the voters...
brooklynite
Aug 2015
#7
And that's the key, and do it with multiple videos of him out there saying he is a Socialist or
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#26
The overlap with Socialism, Scandinavia, and Bernie is one he chooses and rejects conveniently.
Sancho
Aug 2015
#9
Oddly, National Nurses Union endorsed him largely based on the Robin Hood tax.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
Aug 2015
#13
Meh - the UK currently has a 0.5% transaction tax on stock purchases
muriel_volestrangler
Aug 2015
#17
Yes, I'm a member...and our local state analysis shows the tax would hurt retirees here.
Sancho
Aug 2015
#37
Sanders has specified that he is a Demcoratic Socialist. I take him at his word.
merrily
Aug 2015
#14
Believing in collectives and cooperatives does not equal believing goverment should seize
merrily
Aug 2015
#20
But not by enough that it is likely to matter. Only 69% of 18-29's willing to consider voting for
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#27
Yeah, I've sent that poll to some of the optimists in my organization too.
Starry Messenger
Aug 2015
#30
Agreed. As I said in my above comment to Brooklynite, you aren't going to be able to fight
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#28
Especially when a large part of the population already thinks President Obama
Starry Messenger
Aug 2015
#31
or at least allow some new banks to open to give competition to the big 4? who control the USA
Sunlei
Aug 2015
#39
Sanders has been a sitting Senator for decades. He must have done something right to be so beloved.
Sunlei
Aug 2015
#32