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whatthehey

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39. Which is fine if you have a better deal. They are very hard to find however.
Mon Aug 24, 2015, 01:49 PM
Aug 2015

First some numbers: In 2012 89 million workers were covered by defined contribution plans out of an average employed number of around 142 million, so certainly a great majority (remember some of the rest still get defined benefit pensions).

93.5% of plans offered some matching, with the two most popular being 50% of 6% of pay or 100% of 6% of pay. I've worked at 6 companies. All have offered matching programs. But my anecdote matters no more than yours.

http://www.americanbenefitscouncil.org/documents2013/401k_stats.pdf

http://data.bls.gov/pdq/SurveyOutputServlet

Now can you do better? Possibly but not plausibly.


For one thing not taking advantage of a 401k/403b etc means you lose the pre-tax benefit. Most people pay higher tax rates in their earning years than in retirement, so avoiding taxes now and paying them later is a good deal. Can you overcome that by choosing better or lower cost funds? The choice of funds in 401ks is a mixed bag, but all I've seen offer either index funds or income funds, both of which are typically very low loads as all the fund manager needs to do is bung them into either SP500 or Russell2000 ready made allotments, or bonds and a few blue chip dividend stocks, no looking for hidden gems or breakout startups. Wise investors who don't want to start tracking cup and handle formations and arcane banding algorithms on their own would be well advised to go for this kind of fund anyway, so going away from 401ks means you lose pre-tax benefits and have to do more work yourself, and forgo the match most employers offer. If you are a trading genius can you make these gaps up? Well of course it's possible, but how likely is anyone that good at picking stocks to be working for a salary anyway?

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Oh it really is about time yeoman6987 Aug 2015 #4
Wall Street crooks stealing our retirement. . . B Calm Aug 2015 #2
Don't worry, it will be halfway back by lunch. Renew Deal Aug 2015 #3
I was correct... -479.20(2.91%) Renew Deal Aug 2015 #17
who cares about the number - what's for lunch? 6chars Aug 2015 #29
lol, exactly Renew Deal Aug 2015 #32
The stock market is not the economy edhopper Aug 2015 #5
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about 700 down now riversedge Aug 2015 #7
Rule 48 has been enacted. Quackers Aug 2015 #8
? What's rule 47? B Calm Aug 2015 #10
RULE 48 no_hypocrisy Aug 2015 #12
Don't break rule 46. Quackers Aug 2015 #13
At least it wasn't Option 6 underpants Aug 2015 #15
What does the returning of the Jedi's have to do with it? Quackers Aug 2015 #19
Jedis' are Episode 6. Option 6 is pickles on your burger. Amishman Aug 2015 #21
So is this like level 6? Quackers Aug 2015 #22
Option 6 - when faced with a hard life choice... underpants Aug 2015 #25
Because it was nothing more than a bubble created by the Fed. DesMoinesDem Aug 2015 #9
Wall Street wants MORE Quantitative Easing Octafish Aug 2015 #11
Huh? Johnny2X2X Aug 2015 #38
all the crazy account fees stay the same. Sunlei Aug 2015 #14
That's how they make their money. mmonk Aug 2015 #23
I noticed, thats why I've never done the 401k 'thing' Sunlei Aug 2015 #28
Yeah, avg. 11% annual gains on pretax, often matched, contributions are made worthless by 0.5% fees whatthehey Aug 2015 #33
..... A HERETIC I AM Aug 2015 #34
what? I just didn't care to lose such a huge chunk in fees, adds up over a decade or two. Sunlei Aug 2015 #35
Which is fine if you have a better deal. They are very hard to find however. whatthehey Aug 2015 #39
In principle this is good for me since I do constant-dollar purchases for my retirement fund Recursion Aug 2015 #16
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