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R. P. McMurphy

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19. I chose my screen name because I identify . . .
Tue Aug 25, 2015, 09:04 AM
Aug 2015

with several of McMurphy's characteristics. He's in his situation because of his own poor choices, he won't stop saying what he believes even though he knows he'll pay for his outspokenness, he tries to get others to respect and believe in themselves. Most important to me, he doesn't give up hope. The scene in the water therapy room where he attempts to pick the marble fountain up and send it crashing through the window always inspired me. Even though he failed he reminds the others "at least I tried." You cannot succeed unless you try.

I'd never given much thought to the misogynistic aspects of the book. You are absolutely correct; they are there. I doubt that Ken Kesey thought much about it when he wrote the novel. Maybe the females were cheap caricatures used to drive the story line. Maybe they were based on real women he knew (maybe even ones from the hospital he worked at that inspired the story). Maybe he just had a misogynistic streak. It was a very common trait of men of that time (and probably still is today).

Nevertheless, your points are valid. If I ever re-read the book your insight will certainly inform my understanding of these characters (although I'll keep in mind that women can be flawed, hurtful beings as well). What I'll probably take away, though, is that McMurphy helped them to remember that they are able to change and there may be something better out there if they have the courage to go look for it.

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This is an excellent OP. yardwork Aug 2015 #1
Fabulous study of human nature and psychology. nt ladjf Aug 2015 #2
Don't remember much about the movie, loved Delos V Smith and now love his legacy... pipoman Aug 2015 #3
One of the best book adaptions of the New Hollywood era. Best Nicholson role. leveymg Aug 2015 #4
What you do here (offer a good critique of the book) deutsey Aug 2015 #5
Agree totally. Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #8
I like this post. PufPuf23 Aug 2015 #6
Thanks for sharing your story. Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #44
Very forward thinking 11th grade. Clearly you were in the US. Your other OP said you lived in Bluenorthwest Aug 2015 #7
No - I am American-born and raised. I said I Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #12
The photographer Alex Potter visits Yemen, she has in fact returned to the US. Bluenorthwest Aug 2015 #17
Hmm. I read it in HS, went back to it in my mid 20's Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #21
The religiously traditional communities I have known did not have 11th grade kids reading Kesey. Bluenorthwest Aug 2015 #34
I heard an NPR report while driving to Cinci. Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #36
Your comment about "forward-thinking" reminds me Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #16
Yeah, well it's rude of you to suggest that I am arguing against the reading of books. Bluenorthwest Aug 2015 #18
What!! No - my comment was not directed at you; Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #20
If I give a reading assignment and the subject matter offends them the student does not have to.. BlueJazz Aug 2015 #9
Students should be free to opt out without retribution. reformist2 Aug 2015 #13
Can you see any downsides to that policy - Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #14
They would get an F. The same as if I were a science teacher and assigned a book about a ... BlueJazz Aug 2015 #15
I loved that book and the movie. cwydro Aug 2015 #10
The only one of his that I know is the one Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #23
Yes, he usually treats his female characters well. cwydro Aug 2015 #24
Yes - agreed - but that's not what bothers me. Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #26
I understand what you're saying. cwydro Aug 2015 #30
Haha, I haven't read him in forever, Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #31
I know, right? cwydro Aug 2015 #32
I think my fave is still "old man and the sea". Yours? Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #33
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Thanks for the tip. Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #41
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"Children of Dune" or "Mankind really should be superstitious simpletons" DetlefK Aug 2015 #11
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I'm not sure if you read the fourth book, but that isn't the golden path Kurska Aug 2015 #47
I chose my screen name because I identify . . . R. P. McMurphy Aug 2015 #19
Thanks Mr. Mcmurphy! Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #22
Something I didn't know: this was a summer reading list and not required for a class alarimer Aug 2015 #25
Many students fail to understand college HassleCat Aug 2015 #27
Yep Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #28
Saw the movie, didn't read the book fadedrose Aug 2015 #29
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Tried that. He said, "I wrote a book?" Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #37
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Kesey was a stoned asshole, the book sucked, and the movie sucked. Archae Aug 2015 #38
I'm not impressed with any story that casts prayin4rain Aug 2015 #45
I loved that book when I read it decades ago in high school! struggle4progress Aug 2015 #46
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