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Xithras

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51. Yes, they do vary

Tue Aug 25, 2015, 03:44 PM

Aug 2015

I was having this discussion with someone here on DU quite a while back, and he was trying to take me to task for having issues that I wouldn't compromise on. So I laid this scenario out to that poster:

"Imagine the perfect candidate. Someone who promises to give you exactly what you want in the coming term, who has the track record to prove that they're not bluffing, and who has the capital and charisma to give them a realistic shot at the presidency. Now imagine that, tomorrow, that candidate came out and said, 'I believe that life begins at conception, and will support efforts to ban abortion.' Nothing else changes about the candidate except for that one issue. Could you still support them?"

You can sub abortion out with something else, but EVERYONE has at least a few political beliefs that they simply will not compromise on. Those beliefs vary from person to person, but I've never met a politically contentious person who didn't have some.

We have to stand for something.

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The Ideologically Pure Ruin US Politics [View all] CajunBlazer Aug 2015 OP

Very inciteful. GitRDun Aug 2015 #1

Insightful KamaAina Aug 2015 #96

lol, spelling was never my strong suit. n/t GitRDun Aug 2015 #98

What I am getting out of this is that we lefties are just as bad as the Tea Party, djean111 Aug 2015 #2

No, not just as bad as the Tea Party.... CajunBlazer Aug 2015 #6

Which Dem politicians are unwilling to give an inch? And, on what issues? djean111 Aug 2015 #124

That was my take, too beltanefauve Aug 2015 #123

I'd say the Democratic Party suffers more from being idealogically barren Maedhros Aug 2015 #3

^+1000 nt HFRN Aug 2015 #55

And there it is.^^^ Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #68

What false equivalency? Maedhros Aug 2015 #73

The false equivalency of they moved Right, we moved Left, and therein is the lock up. Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #77

Not at all my point. Maedhros Aug 2015 #79

Compromise comes from a position of strength. Democrats aren't in that position. Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #92

You do not seem to have comprehended the point of my posts. Maedhros Aug 2015 #97

You slayed it. Well said! Nt. Juicy_Bellows Aug 2015 #120

You're right, ane the America voting public is getting tired of their BS and.... CajunBlazer Aug 2015 #76

+1 n/t lumberjack_jeff Aug 2015 #71

Spot on. Nice job. Ed Suspicious Aug 2015 #106

The Left's idealists have long been pilloried by the Party establishment Maedhros Aug 2015 #107

A load of nonsense. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2015 #4

And just what should Democrats "compromise" with CharlotteVale Aug 2015 #5

Can we assume that.... CajunBlazer Aug 2015 #7

I would never compromise on ANY of those things, nor would I CharlotteVale Aug 2015 #8

You were asked a question which you should answer or self delete your OP. Responding to a question Bluenorthwest Aug 2015 #10

Okay, I was trying to be kind, but let me put it like this..... CajunBlazer Aug 2015 #12

So you still refuse to answer MY question. So what "kind of person" does that CharlotteVale Aug 2015 #14

No doubt, many individuals believe that civil rights LanternWaste Aug 2015 #17

It's non responsive and insulting, so not it does not suffice at all. Bluenorthwest Aug 2015 #23

Thank you. CharlotteVale Aug 2015 #15

You asked the key question and made the poor OP upset. Bluenorthwest Aug 2015 #24

You can assume this Trajan Aug 2015 #54

I'd like to see you answer the damn question Oilwellian Aug 2015 #99

Only by compromising principles and selling-out can we make America great! Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #9

Only by sticking to our ideals with consummate stubbornness.... CajunBlazer Aug 2015 #11

"Politics is the art of the possible" Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #19

You don't have to necociate away your core beliefs to effective in Congress CajunBlazer Aug 2015 #56

What's hypocritical is we're the ones you won't compromise and negotiate with. You have set us Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #61

I never said that YOU won't compomise, but if the shoe fits, by all means wear it (n/t) CajunBlazer Aug 2015 #63

Gladly. Show us this vaunted willingness to compromise you extol. Show us how you will Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #64

Okay, let's start with you supplying a list of important issues confronting the Congress... CajunBlazer Aug 2015 #66

Except I'm not the one extolling compromise. You are. You're here telling us how bad we are Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #69

Tired of aqnswering individuals - see may last post at the bottom. CajunBlazer Aug 2015 #82

I had a former boss who said "No business is better than bad business" lumberjack_jeff Aug 2015 #72

Moderation in temper is always a virtue; but moderation in principle is always a vice. Thomas Paine Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2015 #13

�Let us never negotiate out of fear. But let us never fear to negotiate. John F. Kennedy CajunBlazer Aug 2015 #16

Negotiation is all very nice, but what to do when the vote is called for? Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2015 #18

And yet we continue with the quotes CajunBlazer Aug 2015 #46

So? No response? Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2015 #47

Respectfully, the Democratic Party fears the Far Right, and has for some time... Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #75

The replies thus far prove my point CajunBlazer Aug 2015 #20

If only there were some sort of third way. Orsino Aug 2015 #21

What a great idea! sibelian Aug 2015 #103

Vocal moderates offer a good starting point Capt. Obvious Aug 2015 #22

Most of the OP's responses are self serving back patting Capt. Obvious Aug 2015 #30

You don't start negotiations from a position of weakness CajunBlazer Aug 2015 #50

"Vocal moderates"? What's "vocal" about YOU? You won't even say what CharlotteVale Aug 2015 #25

A partial list only CajunBlazer Aug 2015 #29

Since when do Republicans want to make "constructive" changes to the ACA? And when CharlotteVale Aug 2015 #32

How does one compromise on raising the min wage with someone who thinks there shouldn't be one? nt Electric Monk Aug 2015 #48

I'm guessing you lower it. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2015 #84

The ACA *was* a compromise muriel_volestrangler Aug 2015 #88

The replies just demonstrated that you are all bluster and no substance. Bluenorthwest Aug 2015 #26

Noooo, they *contradict* your point. But that is sort of what you wanted, wasn't it? sibelian Aug 2015 #102

Democrats in Congress have moved towards the left. Bullshit on its' face. Ignore is my friend Vincardog Aug 2015 #27

Let's try to keep the conversation respectable - besides your statement is not true CajunBlazer Aug 2015 #37

Most of the Arguments made so far are identical to those made by arch conservatives CajunBlazer Aug 2015 #28

You have no arguments. Just insults. The only reason you came here was to CharlotteVale Aug 2015 #33

You do understand that every compromise moves the center a little more to the right tularetom Aug 2015 #35

Bill Clinton was the most astute politican of his generation CajunBlazer Aug 2015 #38

Astute = run as a Democrat, govern like a republican tularetom Aug 2015 #44

Then perhaps you an explain why Bill Clinton's current approval rating is 67% (n/t) CajunBlazer Aug 2015 #53

No I can't, the man is a master bullshitter tularetom Aug 2015 #65

He's not in political office. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2015 #86

You re able to maintain the illusion of intransigence easily... sibelian Aug 2015 #104

No thank you. H2O Man Aug 2015 #31

Doing nothing is not a viable option. CajunBlazer Aug 2015 #39

Murdering people is bad. H2O Man Aug 2015 #49

Doing nothing? I don't think you understand who you replied to with that tkmorris Aug 2015 #52

Thank you, tkmorris! H2O Man Aug 2015 #70

Well, yes, actually doing nothing very often IS a viable option... sibelian Aug 2015 #105

More "both sides do it" nonsense. It's not about purity, it's about principle. n/t lumberjack_jeff Aug 2015 #34

Yep, and most of the Tea Partiers would agree with you (n/t) CajunBlazer Aug 2015 #41

Unlike me, they'd be wrong. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2015 #62

That's not ironic. Do you understand that? sibelian Aug 2015 #108

Everyone has issues they won't compromise on. Xithras Aug 2015 #36

I agree with you CajunBlazer Aug 2015 #43

Yes, they do vary Xithras Aug 2015 #51

What exactly do you do... TDale313 Aug 2015 #40

I can't disagree that the Republicans are responsible for most of the gridlock in Washington CajunBlazer Aug 2015 #45

Complete, total and unmitigated bullshit Cosmocat Aug 2015 #42

Orwell's 'Animal Farm' dealth with this kind of arguement HFRN Aug 2015 #57

Doesn't sound like the pigs were willing to negociate..... CajunBlazer Aug 2015 #59

'However, I am still waiting for you to make your point.' HFRN Aug 2015 #60

If it isn't too much trouble, please try to explain it to someone like me who isn't very bright.... CajunBlazer Aug 2015 #67

Perhaps HFRN is not H2O Man Aug 2015 #80

How humble you are. sibelian Aug 2015 #100

So you don't know either right? CajunBlazer Aug 2015 #109

Hnk! sibelian Aug 2015 #112

Actually..... CajunBlazer Aug 2015 #113

Ooooooh, so you DID know! sibelian Aug 2015 #114

Maybe you have never studied Animal Farm very carefully CajunBlazer Aug 2015 #118

Fresh off the third turnbuckle with an info elbow to the dome! Juicy_Bellows Aug 2015 #121

"Skipping from side to side and whisking his tail" - Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #122

Ideological puritanism has been an issue on the left... DonViejo Aug 2015 #58

The problem, far from being "purity", is corruption. nt bemildred Aug 2015 #74

the Dems moved left? KT2000 Aug 2015 #78

Whoa, let's get something staright CajunBlazer Aug 2015 #81

Oh, good grief. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #85

You think much too highly of yourself and much too less of DU membership. MerryBlooms Aug 2015 #111

Deadlock provides it's own solution One_Life_To_Give Aug 2015 #83

The New Deal used to be just common sense eridani Aug 2015 #87

The Left has compromised repeatedly on Economic Justice. MicaelS Aug 2015 #89

Look around folks, pay attention! CajunBlazer Aug 2015 #90

Wrong. Greedy, corrupt, lying assholes, and their minions, ruin US poilitics. nt Zorra Aug 2015 #91

^ ^ ^ THREAD WIN! ^ ^ ^ Octafish Aug 2015 #93

OMG. I just posted similar response! 2banon Aug 2015 #95

lol! Must be one of those hundredth monkey things. Zorra Aug 2015 #117

My take: plain old common sense, apparently scarce around these digs... :) 2banon Aug 2015 #126

Totally misses the mark, It's not the so called "purity" anything. It's the Corruption & Dishonesty 2banon Aug 2015 #94

Newsflash: Radical Centrism has been the prevailing ideology since Triangulation leveymg Aug 2015 #101

Seems very relevant to DU at this time. Gloria Aug 2015 #110

I understand exactly where you are coing from CajunBlazer Aug 2015 #116

Well, you are not alone Gloria Aug 2015 #119

On the left the poor are always "purity trolls" daredtowork Aug 2015 #115

I lulz'ed KG Aug 2015 #125