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In reply to the discussion: This One Weird Pic DESTROYS Ayn Rand [View all]First they did not take into account what the empolyer has to pay into Social Security
Uh, yeah, they did. You add up a lifetime of contributions, and then subtract the benefits paid back during retirement. And you get a negative number.
The Urban Institute, a non-partisan research institute in Washington, produces statistics on this topic annually. Institute researchers figured out what people turning 65 in various years have already "paid in" to the system and what can expect to "take out" after they reach age 65. (See our charts below)
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According to the institutes data, a two-earner couple receiving an average wage $44,600 per spouse in 2012 dollars and turning 65 in 2010 would have paid $722,000 into Social Security and Medicare and can be expected to take out $966,000 in benefits. So, this couple will be paid about one-third more in benefits than they paid in taxes.
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According to the institutes data, a two-earner couple receiving an average wage $44,600 per spouse in 2012 dollars and turning 65 in 2010 would have paid $722,000 into Social Security and Medicare and can be expected to take out $966,000 in benefits. So, this couple will be paid about one-third more in benefits than they paid in taxes.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2013/feb/01/medicare-and-social-security-what-you-paid-what-yo/
Depending on the combinations of workers in the household and age, Social Security recipients get back 133% to 800% of what they "paid in" when they retire.
So, employees accept lower pay if they are covered by Social Security
Sure. Just like they'll accept lower pay if there is a pension plan. Or at least they used to. It's not clear what will happen now that pensions are being gutted by conservatives and neoliberals. I know I would not trust a pension to actually be there if they were offered in my industry.
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I wanted to vomit every time that creep said that. I wish they'd go back to their own dimension.
Mnemosyne
Aug 2015
#7
I wish you could do that. Likely get the trucks shot up in red areas, though. n/t
freshwest
Aug 2015
#40
Didn't they work and pay for those already? That isn't aid, that is giving back what was taken.n/t
jtuck004
Aug 2015
#16
It sure as shit isn't aid. It is paid for from people's labor, time wasting semantic arguments aside
jtuck004
Aug 2015
#24
"New Reply what, 40% of SS/Medicare recipients think they get no Federal aid?" Get your money back
jtuck004
Aug 2015
#35
This, you see, is government aid, given to thieving corporations who never did a lick of work.
jtuck004
Aug 2015
#26
Taxes pay for the firefighters that saved your home. No taxes, no firefighters or firefighters for
Dont call me Shirley
Aug 2015
#17
I know people my age (68) drawing Social Security, Medicare, and some even Food Stamps
Elwood P Dowd
Aug 2015
#22
Funny thing about these types, they want these services for them selves but not others
liberal N proud
Aug 2015
#32
"Snohomish County Fire District 1 receives 90% of its funding from property taxes"
Babel_17
Aug 2015
#38
Will he also shake the Lt.'s hand? Sorry to ask, but the Lt. doesn't look like he expects it.
freshwest
Aug 2015
#39
Oh yes, the irony. Libertarians all want less government... unless of course THEY NEED...
Raster
Aug 2015
#47
Sadly, baggers and libertarians usually don't have the cognitive skills to connect those dots.
catbyte
Aug 2015
#57
Great picture. But that guy will rationalize how he is differnt from the "takers."
kairos12
Aug 2015
#60