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158. People who teach others to nurse grievances

Wed Aug 26, 2015, 03:27 PM

Aug 2015

have a big share in the blame for an incident like this, whether they admit it (of course not!) or not.

We see it here every day: black vs. white, male vs. female, straight vs. gay, and on and on with the niche politics mindset. It's not only here, it's everywhere around us all the time. It's the mass fad psychology that pollutes every interaction today, micro to macro. It's what lets a person like this shooter believe that he's justified in doing something like this.

Enough already. Quit deepening the damn divides, and harping on the damn words. Enough with the you-offended-me tirades and the end-justifies-the-means mentality, and the rules don't apply to any who can run up a victim flag of some kind.

If DU didn't create that guy's mindset, it certainly could have. Are we going to look at that, for even half a millisecond, much less admit it? Oh, hell no! <Carry on, nothing to see here. Who me? I didn't do anything. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because GUNS!>

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"Bitch" [View all] boston bean Aug 2015 OP

K&R Brickbat Aug 2015 #1

What did he call the guy he shot? TreasonousBastard Aug 2015 #2

Yes, that is clearly the most disturbing thing about this whole episode. topological Aug 2015 #3

Huh? try again please DURHAM D Aug 2015 #5

Well, good news, nobody said that it was the most disturbing part! NuclearDem Aug 2015 #6

What leads you to believer that's the most disturbing aspect of the episode? LanternWaste Aug 2015 #20

Two people are dead for no reason. I couldn't care less what he said. topological Aug 2015 #22

There is no event, however senseless and tragic, hifiguy Aug 2015 #37

Brother you just said a mouthful. topological Aug 2015 #46

You can continue to look at the physical act alone and not the motives. boston bean Aug 2015 #54

He is said to have faxed a lengthy manifesto, plus there's the small matter of the man he killed. topological Aug 2015 #58

Why should we concern ourselves with some manifesto, right? boston bean Aug 2015 #62

What agenda do you think I'm pushing here? boston bean Aug 2015 #51

Why don't you state what your agenda is? How about that? topological Aug 2015 #63

That misogyny is an issue in this culture, and that the words boston bean Aug 2015 #69

No, I believe you are correct. topological Aug 2015 #74

So, now we are onto, misogyny didn't play a role in it.. boston bean Aug 2015 #76

You know, I think you're right. Had he not said that, she'd still be alive. I'm sure of it. topological Aug 2015 #81

strawman. boston bean Aug 2015 #88

In order for anything I've said to be a strawman, there must be an articulate argument. topological Aug 2015 #91

I've advanced one. A pretty clear one. boston bean Aug 2015 #92

Let me be clear: misogyny exists in our culture and is an issue. topological Aug 2015 #94

He's not worth it, boston bean. brush Aug 2015 #107

Funny how I read it as Boston bean isn't worth it. artislife Aug 2015 #192

Would you say the same if a white guy called someone a racist slur just before killing him? whathehell Aug 2015 #126

I think you jumped the shark on this one till all the facts came out snooper2 Aug 2015 #101

Never do you agree with me on this issue. So, it's not suprising. nt boston bean Aug 2015 #109

I just got done watching the video asshole shooter took...Have you? snooper2 Aug 2015 #115

He was pointing the gun at her and called her a bitch. boston bean Aug 2015 #116

I agree. cwydro Aug 2015 #114

I did want pizza tonight. ladyVet Aug 2015 #206

What has the other poster said that makes you believe he should be ejected from the website? DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2015 #207

Ha! Yes, it's pretty amazing what people try to steer other people to focus on. valerief Aug 2015 #41

I think a bunch of people are trying to steer focus away from a pretty valid point boston bean Aug 2015 #56

"that is clearly the most disturbing thing about this whole episode" sufrommich Aug 2015 #111

yes, because that name is an important clue to the murderer's state of mind, and the niyad Aug 2015 #197

Yes. It's just a word. Sheldon Cooper Aug 2015 #4

Sorry, But I Can't Ignore That He Killed A Guy Too ProfessorGAC Aug 2015 #7

I'm not sure why this woman getting murdered while being called a bitch is Sheldon Cooper Aug 2015 #11

Because It's A Mass Murder ProfessorGAC Aug 2015 #18

Some here would say no, it's not as bad and absolutely mean it, hifiguy Aug 2015 #23

This message was self-deleted by its author hifiguy Aug 2015 #24

Neither was the last theater shooting or Elliot Rodger... boston bean Aug 2015 #25

Reading is Fundamental ProfessorGAC Aug 2015 #35

So, the words people use don't necessarily portray who they are. boston bean Aug 2015 #43

Apples and Elephants ProfessorGAC Aug 2015 #123

What part of the equation don't you get boston bean Aug 2015 #130

Main Target? ProfessorGAC Aug 2015 #133

Is calling a woman bitch and then shooting her indicative of misogyny? boston bean Aug 2015 #142

Yes, If. . . ProfessorGAC Aug 2015 #149

So, if other people are killed, he can't be a misogynist... okay... boston bean Aug 2015 #156

No Snow Leopard Aug 2015 #217

Is there a perjorative for a man that is equally as offensive as bitch? Sheldon Cooper Aug 2015 #26

"You bastard" would probably be the equivalent. hifiguy Aug 2015 #29

It's not even close, but thanks for trying. Sheldon Cooper Aug 2015 #32

What does bastard mean? nt boston bean Aug 2015 #36

Trashing thread. hifiguy Aug 2015 #42

of course you trash, cause you understand bastard is just another hit against a woman. she dared to seabeyond Aug 2015 #177

Too Focused On The Specifics Of This Incident? ProfessorGAC Aug 2015 #45

"Dick" would probably be the male equivalent ram2008 Aug 2015 #122

I think you could more accurately call this event "workplace violence". nt jonno99 Aug 2015 #40

This is absurd tkmorris Aug 2015 #8

How are you dealing with the misogyny you see around you? Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #27

Honest question XRubicon Aug 2015 #185

god no. hell no. absolu fuckin lutely not. adults PROTECT the child. seabeyond Aug 2015 #186

I am not trying to minimize XRubicon Aug 2015 #188

that is an over simplification, false. so, that was not an honest question, right? seabeyond Aug 2015 #189

me either... XRubicon Aug 2015 #191

No. Why would that make you a misogynist? Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #209

But... You are not TKMorris, the poster I was Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #211

Does anyone think a guy calling a woman a 'bitch' is not being misogynistic? pampango Aug 2015 #9

Really? Being a cold blooded multiple murderer is somehow intensified by misogyny? topological Aug 2015 #12

"Intensified?" Perhaps not. But if the victims had been Black and the killer called them "N-------" pampango Aug 2015 #47

Just how indifferent are you between being insulted and being shot to death? topological Aug 2015 #49

You didn't answer the question. joshcryer Aug 2015 #52

It wouldn't change anything for me. Being sane, I value human life over feelings. topological Aug 2015 #55

If you believe that hatred based on gender, race, sexual orientation, etc. should be ignored pampango Aug 2015 #64

Pardon me, but the OP evidently takes issue with a single word that might have been uttered topological Aug 2015 #72

If the cameraman had been Black and the shooter yelled "N*****" before shooting, you might pampango Aug 2015 #89

If a frog had a tail, it wouldn't bruise its behind when it leaps. topological Aug 2015 #93

When the SC shooter made it clear he wanted to kill Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #65

I invite you to provide evidence for any of the assertions you made. topological Aug 2015 #77

The word "bitch" is this far the only evidence. Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #82

"Angry male who hunted down a female coworker." topological Aug 2015 #87

You are misunderstanding me - and I Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #95

Let's have a look at your logic, and then I'm done. topological Aug 2015 #102

very well said n/t zazen Aug 2015 #90

"I have no idea" is the only non-speculation in your entire post. arcane1 Aug 2015 #176

There are none so blind XemaSab Aug 2015 #146

it is a by product with deaths of women. that matters. seabeyond Aug 2015 #178

thank you! why can't these people understand this? CTyankee Aug 2015 #59

Apparently, now is mot the time to think about connections between misogyny and violence... Orsino Aug 2015 #145

egzackly! CTyankee Aug 2015 #153

Right XRubicon Aug 2015 #174

It might be to her but people from other cultures saying the same word might not mean it as.. BlueJazz Aug 2015 #203

They were both Americans. So wtf? Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #212

I was just speaking for myself. The word means almost nothing to this Australian but I DON'T use it. BlueJazz Aug 2015 #215

Thanks for bringing your agenda into this tragedy Blue_Adept Aug 2015 #10

Second. Thanks for pointing this out chalmers Aug 2015 #17

No more and no less that your minimization of it... LanternWaste Aug 2015 #21

If anyone is minimizing anything, it's you, minimizing two murders topological Aug 2015 #28

Fuck yeah! Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #38

thank you lantern. nt seabeyond Aug 2015 #179

Third. hifiguy Aug 2015 #31

Fourth LittleBlue Aug 2015 #78

This message was self-deleted by its author closeupready Aug 2015 #80

. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2015 #85

fifth... for cheapening misogyny XRubicon Aug 2015 #184

Now you guys have to take me seriously. seabeyond Aug 2015 #187

... XRubicon Aug 2015 #196

i am honored. and yes, they do matter. seabeyond Aug 2015 #198

Sorry XRubicon Aug 2015 #199

..... seabeyond Aug 2015 #200

I take you seriously too lostnfound Aug 2015 #213

You suggest someone is claiming 'bitch' isn't a misogynist insult. Marr Aug 2015 #13

umm, do you read DU? boston bean Aug 2015 #30

You must have a link then. /nt Marr Aug 2015 #39

Ok, I take no pleasure in doing this: boston bean Aug 2015 #86

That was a discussion of the 'c-word''s common usage in places outside the US. Marr Aug 2015 #97

Did you read the link posted In the OP or boston bean Aug 2015 #120

Uh oh. Texasgal Aug 2015 #14

hello! boston bean Aug 2015 #44

you're back! snooper2 Aug 2015 #15

Some DUers are more equal than others. hifiguy Aug 2015 #34

What does that mean? boston bean Aug 2015 #48

Algunos Duers son m�s iguales que otros. snooper2 Aug 2015 #57

What is that suppose to mean in relation to me? nt boston bean Aug 2015 #60

I posted recently that most shootings are by men & their anger towards women. Will it stop? underahedgerow Aug 2015 #16

My feminist mentor used to call it "cranial testosterone poisoning" KamaAina Aug 2015 #19

wouldnt that be close to... boys will be boys? seabeyond Aug 2015 #180

When has it been suggested that using the word bitch towards a woman isn't misogyny? IVoteDFL Aug 2015 #33

ummm look upthread. nt boston bean Aug 2015 #53

He didn't kill her because she was a woman TexasMommaWithAHat Aug 2015 #50

This message was self-deleted by its author closeupready Aug 2015 #83

Is calling a guy a "dick" sexist? Nt Logical Aug 2015 #61

Don't know for sure. boston bean Aug 2015 #66

"Asshole" is my generic term. Not based on sex. Nt Logical Aug 2015 #70

No. nt geek tragedy Aug 2015 #75

Why? Double standsrd i guess. Nt Logical Aug 2015 #128

Hmmm. I agree dick isn't sexist, but now I am trying to Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #143

"smugness" XRubicon Aug 2015 #67

Embarrassing OP LittleBlue Aug 2015 #68

Embarassing for you, I could see. boston bean Aug 2015 #71

You should be. Climbing on top of two dead bodies and using them as a soapbox is vile. nt LittleBlue Aug 2015 #73

That would be your interpretation. Strange one if you ask me. nt boston bean Aug 2015 #79

Strange? lol XRubicon Aug 2015 #181

It will be interesting to read his manifesto. Here is a report of some of what he was upset about stevenleser Aug 2015 #84

Holyshit. Rex Aug 2015 #96

Yeah, really messed up. I found a link with the video he made. Anyone who wants to see it PM me. stevenleser Aug 2015 #100

That takes real fortitude to watch the video. Thanks for putting the pieces together. Rex Aug 2015 #104

The video relates to the OP. He does use the B word and she was his primary target, no question. nt stevenleser Aug 2015 #108

Sick. I've never read of a reporter doing something like this. Rex Aug 2015 #112

I'm surprised workplace violence of some sort doesn't happen more in that field. stevenleser Aug 2015 #124

I can't. Unfortunately, I watched the Daniel Pearl video YEARS ago, and closeupready Aug 2015 #127

I watched it. Yes it is very unsettling.. boston bean Aug 2015 #139

Oh, okay, I didn't understand that, initially. closeupready Aug 2015 #151

weird, he actually whispered the word "bitch" like he didn't want to disrupt the interview snooper2 Aug 2015 #110

It seemed like he was trying to draw the moment out for some kind of sick production value. stevenleser Aug 2015 #131

Actually Rodger Harmony Blue Aug 2015 #98

Was he a misogynist or not? boston bean Aug 2015 #113

He hated all human beings Harmony Blue Aug 2015 #117

Wow. boston bean Aug 2015 #118

Really? pecwae Aug 2015 #99

No, evidently she's extra special outrageous dead. nt topological Aug 2015 #106

Why is this thread like "Seinfeld"? tularetom Aug 2015 #103

Yeah, well, the life support machine called... Capt. Obvious Aug 2015 #132

Ugly, inhuman, and indecent OP n/t Prism Aug 2015 #105

Please explain? The OP was wtitten in ironic voice.. Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #125

Using a horrifying double murder to play vocabulary games Prism Aug 2015 #129

I think the issue at hand is motive - Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #137

That's not the story. BKH70041 Aug 2015 #119

I know. It NEVER is. nt boston bean Aug 2015 #121

We'll have to see. The video indicates to me that she was the primary target. stevenleser Aug 2015 #134

"I want to read the manifesto." BKH70041 Aug 2015 #135

I don't think it is online yet. It was faxed to a TV network so someone is going to have to scan it stevenleser Aug 2015 #138

so you're saying his mom should've raised him better? MisterP Aug 2015 #136

Yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying. boston bean Aug 2015 #141

This just sad: America moves on: and these people have heartbreak lewebley3 Aug 2015 #140

This killer has said he was motivated by Tipperary Aug 2015 #144

Right... boston bean Aug 2015 #150

You have an agenda as others have pointed out. That's too Tipperary Aug 2015 #170

Yeah my agenda. boston bean Aug 2015 #173

You should read "Men Explain Things to Me." XemaSab Aug 2015 #147

I will read it! Thanks! boston bean Aug 2015 #160

..but she was a bitch Matrosov Aug 2015 #148

FWIW,do you expect the type of guy who commits mass murder to be so enlighted as to support feminism dionysus Aug 2015 #152

Did you mean to ask this question of me? boston bean Aug 2015 #157

I don't understand why so many DUers are offended by this post. Cali_Democrat Aug 2015 #154

Take a note of the names. Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #161

I know huh. boston bean Aug 2015 #164

Yes because what other DUers say matters more romanic Aug 2015 #190

And there you have it Boston Bean was right. Misogyny part of the motivation here... stevenleser Aug 2015 #155

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to boston bean Aug 2015 #165

People who teach others to nurse grievances Waiting For Everyman Aug 2015 #158

For real? WOW... I personally don't agree with one word you've written. nt boston bean Aug 2015 #159

This is the stupidest damn thing I've read in a very long time. Squinch Aug 2015 #208

. boston bean Aug 2015 #210

Back at 'ya! Squinch Aug 2015 #220

You make an interesting point. Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #214

Exactly. Waiting For Everyman Aug 2015 #219

Good to see you! pintobean Aug 2015 #216

Hey! Waiting For Everyman Aug 2015 #218

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Aug 2015 #223

Honestly I didn't hear that in the video. And I turned it way up to check. The screams and gun shots MillennialDem Aug 2015 #162

at the 17 second mark. boston bean Aug 2015 #163

Heard it on a different longer video. I couldn't hear it on the shorter 1st person video or the foot MillennialDem Aug 2015 #168

I think he must have been very POed after his year? of work problems,job loss, court cases. Sunlei Aug 2015 #166

"Bitch" The Straight Story Aug 2015 #167

Post removed Post removed Aug 2015 #171

Yup ismnotwasm Aug 2015 #169

Almost all insults are aimed at females laureloak Aug 2015 #172

So if I shot this asshole dead... cherokeeprogressive Aug 2015 #195

From the killer's manefesto Glassunion Aug 2015 #175

You know, you could make money with your mind XRubicon Aug 2015 #182

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Aug 2015 #183

"Bitch" might have hurt her feelings, we'll never know. BANG BANG ended her life. cherokeeprogressive Aug 2015 #193

not the point. nt boston bean Aug 2015 #194

Misanthropy is ugly, especially when it Kills . orpupilofnature57 Aug 2015 #201

And it turns out that 70% if mass shootings truebluegreen Aug 2015 #202

I applaud you for pointing this out knowing that you're subjecting yourself prayin4rain Aug 2015 #204

I appreciate your kind words. Really. Thank you! nt boston bean Aug 2015 #205

Sorry, I will never buy into using the word "bitch" as automatically making someone sexist. phleshdef Aug 2015 #221

The word is. No One has ever said you were have they? boston bean Aug 2015 #222