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In reply to the discussion: Message auto-removed [View all]IronLionZion
(51,624 posts)There's no doubt that the founders put that in the constitution after overthrowing a foreign occupation during our revolution. But I haven't found any court ruling on what exactly "a well regulated militia" means.
Not to derail the topic, but to address your first 2 paragraphs, are you aware of the gun murder rates in places like Brazil, Honduras, Congo, Indonesia, Phillipines, Jamaica, and even our neighbor to the south: Mexico? Canada and Europe are not the entire world.
I think the reason people cite multiple causes of gun violence is because there are multiple causes of gun violence. The Chicago murders are related to poverty, crime, and drugs. The mass shootings are related to mental health or racism. Media does tend to glorify violence and make murderers famous. And some people just have the desire to hurt/kill people because they are unhappy with their lives for whatever reason. During the Baltimore riot violence recently I had reliably liberal peaceful friends tell me they are glad they have guns in the house (hunting and sport shooting) just in case it comes into their neighborhood.
If it was simple, it would be solved already. It's a complex issue which is why so many people disagree and have very strong opinions. The answer is not that people are too stupid to pass laws against it and stop it. That's just lazy.
One more note. Pro-gun conservatives are literally too stupid and racist to even wrap their heads around Mexico's extremely strict gun laws. It would help their case. :
GUNS ARE ILLEGAL IN MEXICO
Dont bring firearms or ammunition across the border into Mexico.
Dont carry a knife, even a small pocketknife, on your person in Mexico.
You may become one of dozens of U.S. Citizens who are arrested each month for unintentionally violating Mexicos strict weapons laws.
If you are caught with firearms or ammunition in Mexico...
You will go to jail and your vehicle will be seized;
You will be separated from your family, friends, and your job, and likely suffer substantial financial hardship;
You will pay court costs and other fees ranging into the tens of thousands of dollars defending yourself;
You may get up to a 30-year sentence in a Mexican prison if found guilty.
If you carry a knife on your person in Mexico, even a pocketknife . . .
You may be arrested and charged with possession of a deadly weapon;
You may spend weeks in jail waiting for trial, and tens of thousands of dollars in attorneys fees, court costs, and fines;
If convicted, you may be sentenced to up to five years in a Mexican prison.
Claiming not to know about the law will not get you leniency from a police officer or the judicial system. Leave your firearms, ammunition, and knives at home. Dont bring them into Mexico.
http://tijuana.usconsulate.gov/tijuana/warning.html