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88. May I quote you

Reply to LonePirate (Reply #85)

Thu Aug 27, 2015, 10:18 AM

Aug 2015

whenever I hear "No one is suggesting guns be confiscated"?

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The Supremes seem to have made that part of it irrelevant... TreasonousBastard Aug 2015 #1

The Congress COULD override that decision. riversedge Aug 2015 #8

Huh? Snobblevitch Aug 2015 #20

Congress could pass a new law on this issue. If objected to by some it goes to court and riversedge Aug 2015 #29

No Travis_0004 Aug 2015 #51

You need to research the difference between 'a law' and an enumerated civil right via the BoR. AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #113

Second Amendment right is not unlimited. SecularMotion Aug 2015 #18

The supremes can overrule themselves. Most important reason to elect whoever the democratic nominee MillennialDem Aug 2015 #67

Potentially, but stare decisis suggests they wouldn't, Miller, Heller, MacDonald, etc. AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #120

Suggests does not mean will or will not. Just likely. Not about gun rights but Lawrence v Texas over MillennialDem Aug 2015 #126

Meaningful gun reform could be accomplished many ways, without infringing on the 2nd amendment. AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #128

only the idiot repug 5 supremes have done that. the decision can be changed by smarter samsingh Aug 2015 #123

Repugs say the same thing about Roe vs. Wade. AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #129

And I have no doubt they'd change Roe v Wade if they replaced a liberal with a MillennialDem Aug 2015 #148

They'd challenge it. A challenge would be raised the same day. You bet. AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #150

and if we have more repugs on the bench they will replace roe vs wade samsingh Aug 2015 #202

The Supreme Court also has held that slaves must be returned to their masters. tabasco Aug 2015 #157

Regulated is not the same as restricted -- which is all this is really about. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #2

As has been pointed out countless times... gcomeau Aug 2015 #21

Thankfully our federal borders are secure and there's not hughee99 Aug 2015 #69

Ask Australia. gcomeau Aug 2015 #94

They know this about Australia and profer the same tired ass'd arguments!!! uponit7771 Aug 2015 #104

Australia's borders are a little more secure than ours GummyBearz Aug 2015 #116

Australia's Largest Gunsmith & Store Go Vols Aug 2015 #198

Where in the US is purchasing guns insanely easy? AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #121

We just instituted universal background checks here in Oregon. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #131

I think it's a good thing. I wholeheartedly encourage Washington to follow suit. AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #133

Other way 'round on recreational weed. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #143

You are correct, medical not recreational. AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #149

By the standards of most of the rest of the civilized world? gcomeau Aug 2015 #134

That's a 10 year $100,000 federal felony. AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #139

An almost impossible to effectively enforce one. gcomeau Aug 2015 #152

I can't help you here. AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #159

Nobody said "it's not enforced". gcomeau Aug 2015 #164

It can be enforced. AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #171

No, it can't. gcomeau Aug 2015 #184

Full registration (UBC) is the only tool to combat that. AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #187

Which, like I said, would help *some*. gcomeau Aug 2015 #190

Being in simple possession of a firearm with no serial number is a felony. AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #193

Which I'm sure greatly concerns people already intending to commit felonies with said guns... gcomeau Aug 2015 #195

USDoJ estimates the lawful use of firearms in self defense against those robberies and assaults at AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #206

As has been pointed out countless times -- Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #216

Are you serious? gcomeau Aug 2015 #231

Shall not be infringed safeinOhio Aug 2015 #28

There is no legal case law that supports your definition of arms hack89 Aug 2015 #32

So where *should* we draw the line? thesquanderer Aug 2015 #62

We drew the line in 1934 with the National Firearms Act. hack89 Aug 2015 #66

Maybe we draw the line at media that existed in 1789. GGJohn Aug 2015 #68

Well then why are we restricting arms to what was essentially all that was available in MillennialDem Aug 2015 #72

We drew the line in 1934 with the National Firearms Act. hack89 Aug 2015 #77

Again you're talking about firearms. I'm talking about arms. MillennialDem Aug 2015 #81

Knives and swords are not an issue that needs to be addressed. hack89 Aug 2015 #82

Bullshit they aren't. Switchblades and butterfly knives are illegal (nearly) everywhere. Fixed blade MillennialDem Aug 2015 #86

Background checks? Waiting periods? hack89 Aug 2015 #108

It's possible to regulate guns, impossible to regulate knives. Plus everyone owns several knives, MillennialDem Aug 2015 #118

The UK has regulated guns, and is attempting to regulate knives. AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #137

Sure you can bust people who are carrying a knife, but you can't really get rid of MillennialDem Aug 2015 #145

The UK is attempting to do just that. AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #151

You still need the propellant. I know the gun itself isn't hard to make. I suppose you could make it MillennialDem Aug 2015 #158

Propellant isn't that hard if you're willing to compromise a bit on quality. AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #161

It would be dangerous as all hell sarisataka Aug 2015 #168

It's not hard to make the primers, but it is hard not to blow your face off in the process. True. AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #172

I don't know what else it's used for, but it seems like someone buying the sulfur and potassium nitr MillennialDem Aug 2015 #174

The quantities needed would be low sarisataka Aug 2015 #179

Sounds like a lot of arsing around and that a knife would be a lot more effective at that MillennialDem Aug 2015 #169

All true. AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #173

I think this is exactly why we have so many shootings and relatively few bombings. You can MillennialDem Aug 2015 #177

Sadly, the highest kill count of any school attack still belongs to explosives. AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #185

Talk to the UK which has implemented knife control hack89 Aug 2015 #138

I've carried a sword on the street. AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #135

Courts have never held the 2nd to apply to ordnance. Only firearms. AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #130

I haven't said courts said otherwise. I still think it's bull. I think either the 2nd means MillennialDem Aug 2015 #136

I think privateers tried to make that distinction back in the day, as they liked to be armed. AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #141

To legally be a privateer sarisataka Aug 2015 #153

And that's just like, your opinion man. Sorry for being snarky but I do think the MillennialDem Aug 2015 #156

Well, my opinion AND the SC's opinion, and federal courts opinions and and and. AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #162

When did I disagree that that's how the courts have ruled? I'm not a fact deprived conservative :p MillennialDem Aug 2015 #165

No, no, you're fine. I've actually enjoyed our conversation. AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #170

Adapting the 1st amendment to new technologies has likewise been a challenge. thesquanderer Aug 2015 #119

A semi-auto rifle existed prior to the ratification of our constitution. AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #132

There existed a 20 shot semi-automatic rifle in 1780. AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #127

There was also the puckle gun. beevul Aug 2015 #226

Firearms evolve. AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #230

The 2nd has never been construed by any court to apply to ordnance and explosives. AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #124

Go ahead and show me the person who can maintain, in working order, an atom bomb. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #221

There are all kinds of state and local restrictions on the 2nd Amendment. blackspade Aug 2015 #178

"Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" is in the Declaration of Independence not the Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #220

Did I say it was? blackspade Aug 2015 #234

Don't tell that to RoccoR5955 Aug 2015 #3

Women and minorities are the fastest growing segments of CC applicants. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #6

How in the fucking world... gcomeau Aug 2015 #23

Because nobody fetishises firearms. Indydem Aug 2015 #71

Bull freaking shit they don't. gcomeau Aug 2015 #93

There IS a lot of fetishizing sarisataka Aug 2015 #100

That poster is absolutely correct. beevul Aug 2015 #227

In a sexualized manner, like the person he was replying to suggested? AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #144

Perhaps you should have continued reading the exchange for 2 more posts... gcomeau Aug 2015 #154

Post 3 contains all the awful I need for one day, thanks. AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #163

You should remember two things RoccoR5955 Aug 2015 #199

Considering the Controllers portray gun owners as white male redneck fetishists the Controllers Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #225

Two words RoccoR5955 Aug 2015 #97

Thats patently sexist, and you should delete it. N/T beevul Aug 2015 #229

I don't understand your reasoning. RoccoR5955 Aug 2015 #233

There's only a 20% delta between republican and democratic gun owners. AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #142

So, you want the government to drastically cut the number of guns in this county? krispos42 Aug 2015 #4

Where are the liberal scholars on this? wolfie001 Aug 2015 #5

The state constitutions are eye-opening, and should inform any discussion of this issue. reformist2 Aug 2015 #7

State laws, up until a few weeks ago safeinOhio Aug 2015 #30

Except the supreme court has already ruled on the 2A hack89 Aug 2015 #38

Not backwards, because fed law trumps state law thesquanderer Aug 2015 #63

So when Massachusetts legalized gay marriage ten years ago hack89 Aug 2015 #70

The point is that whatever MA did 10 years ago... thesquanderer Aug 2015 #106

If the rethugs got their way and revoked Roe vs. Wade somehow, abortion would remain legal in my AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #155

True. A reversal of Roe v Wade won't make abortion illegal per se. thesquanderer Aug 2015 #191

Prop 8 is a bad comparison, because it flew in the face of the 14th amendment. AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #147

It's part of the american way of life. Like sexual and religious hypocrisy. DetlefK Aug 2015 #9

So true! Why, though? I don't understand how we got here. n/t prayin4rain Aug 2015 #14

To heck with it. They want to repeal the 14th amendment. I want to repeal the 2nd. Vinca Aug 2015 #10

Agreed+++++++ nt newfie11 Aug 2015 #24

Does the first admendment only protect newspapers Travis_0004 Aug 2015 #54

It's rather difficult to kill people with the Internet mythology Aug 2015 #112

A 20 shot semi-auto existed 10 years before the ratification of the Bill of Rights. AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #166

Two things.... Adrahil Aug 2015 #11

I need mustard gas safeinOhio Aug 2015 #34

The 2A does not cover chemical weapons. hack89 Aug 2015 #40

Nor auto loading or cartridge weapons. safeinOhio Aug 2015 #46

Just like the first does not apply to electronic media? OK. hack89 Aug 2015 #74

This is why we need an outright repeal of the 2A. LonePirate Aug 2015 #42

And just who do you propose conduct that confiscation? Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #48

I would like to see your roadmap to how that happens Lee-Lee Aug 2015 #60

You are thinking in the here and now. Repealing the 2A might take 20-30 years or more. LonePirate Aug 2015 #80

I think you still don't grasp how hard it would be Lee-Lee Aug 2015 #84

I think you still don't grasp how the country is starting to change regarding this issue. LonePirate Aug 2015 #90

I havent' seen a single recent poll that indicates increased support for such a repeal. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #114

Have there even been any recent polls conducted on repealing the 2A? LonePirate Aug 2015 #176

There are very sound reasons to suspect those ownership polls are grossly inaccurate. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #180

We;; then, you need to get right on that? GGJohn Aug 2015 #73

You can repeal the 2A and prohibit firearms in the same amendment. LonePirate Aug 2015 #85

May I quote you sarisataka Aug 2015 #88

I certainly and proudly advocate the repeal of the 2A and the confiscation of all guns. LonePirate Aug 2015 #96

Thank you sarisataka Aug 2015 #101

True progressives like myself are accustomed to holding extreme minority opinions. LonePirate Aug 2015 #102

Are you advocating for the confiscation of guns by force if necessary? BlueEye Aug 2015 #219

You really think that gun owners are just going to sit idly by and let this happen? GGJohn Aug 2015 #89

When this country finally reaches a point where it repeals the 2A and confiscates guns ... LonePirate Aug 2015 #99

I'm with you on gun confiscation, so you're not alone. SheilaT Aug 2015 #105

Thank you. Your incremental approach is worthy of support. LonePirate Aug 2015 #111

"It really could be done somewhat incrementally." Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #115

Yep. It won't be easy at all, could even rise to the level of a ecstatic Aug 2015 #183

repeal of the 2nd A is a good idea, IMO. There are modern constitutional democracies in CTyankee Aug 2015 #44

The alternate definition of "regulated" doesn't really change anything thesquanderer Aug 2015 #64

+a gazillion a2liberal Aug 2015 #87

Fine. truebluegreen Aug 2015 #109

Not exactly... blackspade Aug 2015 #189

The gunsanity is the number one reason I may never return to America. CBGLuthier Aug 2015 #12

"The 2A protects an individual right to keep and bear arms" - Democratic party platform. nt hack89 Aug 2015 #13

Here's the full Democratic Party platform on guns SecularMotion Aug 2015 #19

So we agree that the 2A allows strict regulation of guns hack89 Aug 2015 #22

The 2A permits strict regulation. Even Scalia says that in Heller. hack89 Aug 2015 #15

There is popular support, but it is not "single-issue" popular support jeff47 Aug 2015 #125

If I could only find one gun owner...? kentuck Aug 2015 #16

Read post 11 above Lee-Lee Aug 2015 #25

Humanity evolving...how about that?? Guns evolving from muskets to assault rifles with 100 bullets ..how about that? Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #39

It meant we should be like the Swizz. safeinOhio Aug 2015 #43

You mean back when safeinOhio Aug 2015 #45

In terms of people, I believe "well regulated" also meant "well trained and organized." [n/t] Maedhros Aug 2015 #203

Well trained and equipped. nt hack89 Aug 2015 #41

They probably don't even know that 'well regulated' phrase is in there. -none Aug 2015 #50

In Context of the late 18th Century One_Life_To_Give Aug 2015 #117

that annnd retrowire Aug 2015 #17

Do you apply that logic to the entire Bill of Rights? Lee-Lee Aug 2015 #27

Ask the NRA why they removed those words from their display at national HQ? Kind of telling.... Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #35

actually yes. retrowire Aug 2015 #37

Because the rest of the Bill of Rights is not causing so many people to be killed, as the 2nd Amendm -none Aug 2015 #55

Air rifles with 20 shot magazines were invented in 1779 Travis_0004 Aug 2015 #58

Girandoni Repeating Rifle. Next fallacy? AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #175

not a handgun nor was it mass produced and readily available to civilians retrowire Aug 2015 #182

Meriwether Lewis was a civilian. He carried one on the Lewis and Clark expedition. AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #186

lewis and clark were army men commissioned by the president himself retrowire Aug 2015 #192

None of those aspects have been repeated as issues related to civil rights expanded AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #194

he still didn't buy it off of a store shelf. retrowire Aug 2015 #196

The government didn't give him that gun. Cite your source. AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #207

well isnt that something retrowire Aug 2015 #209

No worries. AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #210

well thank you retrowire Aug 2015 #211

So true tiptonic Aug 2015 #26

Unfortunately, we'll never win this argument Bettie Aug 2015 #31

If your brother could pass the background check Snobblevitch Aug 2015 #208

Which is all why the NRA stripped those words out of their display of the 2nd at their national HQ!! Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #33

It's need clarified to assure the 2A is a individual right. ileus Aug 2015 #36

What does that part even mean? IronLionZion Aug 2015 #47

In 1701 there was fredamae Aug 2015 #49

Even if toting and arming up is a right, that doesn't mean one should be excused for anti-social Hoyt Aug 2015 #52

Amen. Amen. Amen. CTyankee Aug 2015 #53

I'm welcoming you aboard Don madokie Aug 2015 #56

Surprised to see no one has mentioned the role state militias played in enforcing slavery mnhtnbb Aug 2015 #57

thank you! This should be shouted out loud regularly... CTyankee Aug 2015 #59

I was never taught this in school...and I went to school in NJ and CA...can imagine mnhtnbb Aug 2015 #61

and you can be assured that growing up in segregated schools in TX in the 1950s CTyankee Aug 2015 #65

Because white men decided to write the entire constitution around them. mountain grammy Aug 2015 #76

with all the mass killings, I would say it is anarchy. PowerToThePeople Aug 2015 #75

You are far more likely to be killed by a guy with a gun... Initech Aug 2015 #78

For such a large group of "terrorists," they sure don't kill very many people. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #107

I don't think anything vindicates the view of Americans as children, Joe Chi Minh Aug 2015 #79

Well regulated is important, but how about Militia?? Amimnoch Aug 2015 #83

DEATH BY GOVERNMENT pocoloco Aug 2015 #91

That's a misprint. The founding fathers meant un-regulated. Kablooie Aug 2015 #92

What law would you like to see sarisataka Aug 2015 #95

If you read Heller, the Second Amendment was basically ignored. happyslug Aug 2015 #98

The British Bill of Rights of 1689 had a right to bear arms independent of militia service hack89 Aug 2015 #146

You have to read the British Bill of Rights in its entirely to understand the "Defence" protected. happyslug Aug 2015 #197

Protestants were disarmed by the government as part of an organized repression of civil liberties hack89 Aug 2015 #204

Agreed on all three conclusions Beta Male Aug 2015 #103

I can see how that can be interpreted to include open and/or concealed carry on campuses, in bars, DrDan Aug 2015 #110

kick samsingh Aug 2015 #122

It Is Maddening colsohlibgal Aug 2015 #140

The NRA is clearly opposed to the... Mike Nelson Aug 2015 #160

The money quote: blackspade Aug 2015 #167

"It's hopeless and it's sad and it makes me sick." ecstatic Aug 2015 #181

"Well Regulated" = "Well Trained". Govt. regulations - especially federal - were almost jonno99 Aug 2015 #188

You are ignoring the main book of Regulation, Von Stuben's "Blue Book". happyslug Aug 2015 #200

Thanks for an informative response. It seems then that the phrase "well ORDERED" would jonno99 Aug 2015 #201

I agree with you HassleCat Aug 2015 #205

You bring up some interesting points sarisataka Aug 2015 #213

we need to reform the second amendment ericson00 Aug 2015 #212

The word "militia" also seems to escape the NRA-types brentspeak Aug 2015 #214

101st Rec. That phrase jumped out & smacked me in the face the first time I read the Bill of Rights Hekate Aug 2015 #215

kick Angry Dragon Aug 2015 #217

Never had a gun...never will have a gun. SoapBox Aug 2015 #218

The 2nd Amendment must be watered daily with the blood of innocents Dems to Win Aug 2015 #222

At the time 2A was passed: moondust Aug 2015 #223

Flawed premise: The bill of rights restricts only government. N/T beevul Aug 2015 #224

Yep, if we just read it in english, round up all guns and put them in well regulated militias randys1 Aug 2015 #228

It's impossible to delete or change the 2nd amendment Sam_Fields Aug 2015 #232

Au contraire sarisataka Aug 2015 #235