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BlueCaliDem

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50. I'm not convinced it will ever happen. The 2nd Amendment is here to stay.

Thu Aug 27, 2015, 12:11 PM

Aug 2015

The best we can hope for is sensible gun laws. It could be the start of gutting the 2nd Amendment, but we can't even get a simple background-check law through, so I'm not as optimistic as some people about repealing that all-American 2nd Amendment.

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So once the Second Amendment is repealed [View all] sarisataka Aug 2015 OP

It's the thought that matters. ileus Aug 2015 #1

We'll never know Bluzmann57 Aug 2015 #2

Many countries permit gun ownership without a 'Second Amendment'. GeorgeGist Aug 2015 #3

Many are saying, sarisataka Aug 2015 #7

Why would a repeal of the second amendment mean prohibition of guns? RichVRichV Aug 2015 #4

I believe it is the two birds with one stone sarisataka Aug 2015 #9

Well good for whoever wrote that. RichVRichV Aug 2015 #42

You missed the group I am in sarisataka Aug 2015 #47

Hey I'd love to see that happen. RichVRichV Aug 2015 #67

We should not repeal the 2nd Amendment NowSam Aug 2015 #5

How can our gun owndership laws be in any way fadedrose Aug 2015 #32

"Well Regulated" = "Well Trained". Govt. regulations - especially federal - were almost jonno99 Aug 2015 #56

Then perhaps we can focus on gun owners being well-trained LondonReign2 Aug 2015 #66

You're starting with a false premise. beevul Aug 2015 #74

Let's start with sensible laws NightWatcher Aug 2015 #6

Yes, but I'm looking at the long term issue sarisataka Aug 2015 #12

Sensible laws will only reduce official numbers, not real numbers. Seriously, the long-term "gun ancianita Aug 2015 #93

Is this before or after we stop guns from being smuggled in? JustABozoOnThisBus Aug 2015 #8

Stop guns from being smuggled in? Hah. Spider Jerusalem Aug 2015 #14

You mean like these guns being smuggled in? Lurks Often Aug 2015 #121

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Supply and demand sarisataka Aug 2015 #16

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Most peaceful era in human history! Taitertots Aug 2015 #23

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And they have failed in other places Taitertots Aug 2015 #28

Did those countries see a REDUCTION is such crimes... Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #41

Australia. CTyankee Aug 2015 #72

But Australia'a decrease in gun violence was smaller than the US's over the same period (nt) Recursion Aug 2015 #108

here CTyankee Aug 2015 #120

Australia also confiscated guns. beevul Aug 2015 #125

Well since there are no magic fairies sarisataka Aug 2015 #24

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I never said it can't be done. sarisataka Aug 2015 #38

"pesky" again...wow you guys love that word, as in pesky 2nd Amendment...it's kinda like a mantra... CTyankee Aug 2015 #30

We'll let our trusted police force collect them under threat of death at the end of a gun. linuxman Aug 2015 #10

So where does you plan go JT1979 Aug 2015 #21

You arrest and jail those people like you would any other felony lawbreakers. LonePirate Aug 2015 #40

So what hapens when JT1979 Aug 2015 #52

Those so-called law abiding gun owners are wanted for homicide/attempted homicide among others. LonePirate Aug 2015 #60

What if theres 25 million of them? beevul Aug 2015 #75

Unless all 25M converge on Washington at the same time waving their guns LonePirate Aug 2015 #78

Have you ever heard of assymetrical warfare? beevul Aug 2015 #80

I don't see it ending any differently than the countless police standoffs that occurred up until now LonePirate Aug 2015 #85

"a much larger and better armed group of LEOs." beevul Aug 2015 #86

You are overestimating the bravery and ability of Joe Gun Owner to take down LEOs LonePirate Aug 2015 #89

You're greatly overestimating the average LEO's combat ability. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #90

There might be a bloodbath but you are mistaken about who the victims are going to be. LonePirate Aug 2015 #91

To be blunt, you have no idea what you're talking about. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #98

You truly believe that nonsense? GGJohn Aug 2015 #99

Stop and think about the type of society that would exist to enact a 2A repeal. LonePirate Aug 2015 #101

You're right, hearts and minds are changing, branford Aug 2015 #104

Every poll out there refutes what you're saying here. GGJohn Aug 2015 #109

Would the confiscations all be over by Christmas? friendly_iconoclast Aug 2015 #111

Answer the question. beevul Aug 2015 #92

Most of these hypothetical gun owners would likely be little more than cowards and windbags LonePirate Aug 2015 #100

Like I said... beevul Aug 2015 #103

We've heard this before sarisataka Aug 2015 #105

Cowards and windbags? GGJohn Aug 2015 #110

I agree, but if (and only if) there's no attempt at aggressive enforcement. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #87

Ummm, a lot of gun owners are veterans too DonP Aug 2015 #96

More like 80 million. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #83

Also in question... beevul Aug 2015 #88

How does one know... Fla_Democrat Aug 2015 #112

No need to search houses. DetlefK Aug 2015 #11

While that would work eventually sarisataka Aug 2015 #13

Theft? What theft? DetlefK Aug 2015 #17

Yep. Not too hard to understand... CTyankee Aug 2015 #81

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well, why don't you do some research and see what happens in modern constitutional democracies CTyankee Aug 2015 #19

I am aware what has been done else where sarisataka Aug 2015 #29

just ignore other countries experience...yep...why? CTyankee Aug 2015 #33

When did I say ignore it? sarisataka Aug 2015 #35

well, then consider what happens when other countries control guns better than we do. CTyankee Aug 2015 #39

IMO nothing stands in the way sarisataka Aug 2015 #44

Well, there's that pesky NRA controlling Congress on this issue... CTyankee Aug 2015 #48

OK let me answer with a question... sarisataka Aug 2015 #54

first, I congratulate you on your work on behalf of DV victims. Great job. CTyankee Aug 2015 #65

Thank you sarisataka Aug 2015 #68

It's ironic that the Constitution uses the words "well regulated" and in the 21st world wide wally Aug 2015 #22

States will simply enforce their own constitutions hack89 Aug 2015 #25

"So once the Second Amendment is repealed" - NOT going to happen. BlueCaliDem Aug 2015 #27

It won't happen today but let's see what happens in the next 25 years. LonePirate Aug 2015 #45

I'm not convinced it will ever happen. The 2nd Amendment is here to stay. BlueCaliDem Aug 2015 #50

It will never happen davidn3600 Aug 2015 #94

Never huh? LonePirate Aug 2015 #113

Uh huh, suuuree it will. GGJohn Aug 2015 #114

Your grandchildren and great grandchildren will be standing with their peers and not with you LonePirate Aug 2015 #115

You couldn't be more wrong. GGJohn Aug 2015 #116

Gay marriage wouldnt pass as a constitutional amendment davidn3600 Aug 2015 #117

You didn't pay attention to what I said. LonePirate Aug 2015 #118

What about the state constitutions that explicitly protect RKBA? beevul Aug 2015 #127

So many things wrong with that post. Motown_Johnny Aug 2015 #34

While the thought of police sarisataka Aug 2015 #58

The bill of rights grants no rights. Repealing an amendment would not remove a right. n/t X_Digger Aug 2015 #119

The bill of rights grants no rights? Motown_Johnny Aug 2015 #123

No, the right would become protected by the ninth amendment. X_Digger Aug 2015 #124

I find it funny in a real sad way, how many politically active people do not understand the basics. beevul Aug 2015 #126

I've often said that civics should be a refresher test every 5 years like driver's licenses. X_Digger Aug 2015 #129

The BoR does not GRANT rights, GGJohn Aug 2015 #128

This will help correct ignorance sarisataka Aug 2015 #130

I have been on an ignore kick the last two months or so Trajan Aug 2015 #36

so have I! It's fun. Like a nice cleansing shower... CTyankee Aug 2015 #43

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Should I feel honored sarisataka Aug 2015 #51

Good question though Trajan Aug 2015 #37

Perhaps you would care to answer it n/t sarisataka Aug 2015 #49

With mass strip searching and dog attacks, like they did in Australia jberryhill Aug 2015 #53

That is one possibility sarisataka Aug 2015 #55

I believe you missed the point jberryhill Aug 2015 #57

I addressed it previously sarisataka Aug 2015 #59

I'm cool with that so long as the dog doesn't bite me in the nuts or the butt. ellisonz Aug 2015 #82

just enforce it the way it was written and not perverted by the gun lobby samsingh Aug 2015 #61

I don't want the second amendment repealed... Agschmid Aug 2015 #62

I believe Jefferson alluded to that sarisataka Aug 2015 #63

We'd rip each other apart davidn3600 Aug 2015 #97

Guns would come across the border by the thousands. n/t cherokeeprogressive Aug 2015 #64

America needs to keep its 2nd Amendment rights intact... TeeYiYi Aug 2015 #69

The Muppets have always been our best defense against reductio ad absurdum fallacies. LanternWaste Aug 2015 #70

I am looking forward to the Muppets return sarisataka Aug 2015 #71

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Won't all those responsible, law-abiding gun owners comply. Or is that another NRA lie? Hoyt Aug 2015 #76

This message was self-deleted by its author Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #79

Indeed they will comply sarisataka Aug 2015 #84

Funny, "civil disobedience" over their precious gunz just doesn't ring true. Hoyt Aug 2015 #95

I've brought this up before; The second ammendment says nothing about guns. Not one word. Half-Century Man Aug 2015 #77

I wonder how serious it is HassleCat Aug 2015 #102

I believe some are so blinded sarisataka Aug 2015 #107

It couldn't even get the two thirds majority to repeal on DU Reter Aug 2015 #106

It would be as bad, if not worse than the drug war. Oneironaut Aug 2015 #122