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sarisataka

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54. OK let me answer with a question...

Thu Aug 27, 2015, 12:20 PM

Aug 2015

Why does the NRA control Congress? Are we not "of the People, by the People and for the People"?

The NRA has what 5 million maybe, of 100 million gun owners+/-. Those 95% non-member could stomp the NRA policies out in a heart beat. And IIRC gun owners are a minority of the population...

As I said elsewhere, it can be done but it takes work.

Last year Minnesota had a DV bill that removed guns from those under an RO. I read it, felt it was good and contacted my rep. I volunteered time explained it to other gun owners, sold them on the benefits and they took it to others. With a lot of hard work it flew threw legislature. It was so popular with gun owners it was backed by the NRA. You can read about it on Bloomberg's MDA site, though they fail to mention some details.

We have a strong law protecting victims of DV because we worked at it.

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So once the Second Amendment is repealed [View all] sarisataka Aug 2015 OP

It's the thought that matters. ileus Aug 2015 #1

We'll never know Bluzmann57 Aug 2015 #2

Many countries permit gun ownership without a 'Second Amendment'. GeorgeGist Aug 2015 #3

Many are saying, sarisataka Aug 2015 #7

Why would a repeal of the second amendment mean prohibition of guns? RichVRichV Aug 2015 #4

I believe it is the two birds with one stone sarisataka Aug 2015 #9

Well good for whoever wrote that. RichVRichV Aug 2015 #42

You missed the group I am in sarisataka Aug 2015 #47

Hey I'd love to see that happen. RichVRichV Aug 2015 #67

We should not repeal the 2nd Amendment NowSam Aug 2015 #5

How can our gun owndership laws be in any way fadedrose Aug 2015 #32

"Well Regulated" = "Well Trained". Govt. regulations - especially federal - were almost jonno99 Aug 2015 #56

Then perhaps we can focus on gun owners being well-trained LondonReign2 Aug 2015 #66

You're starting with a false premise. beevul Aug 2015 #74

Let's start with sensible laws NightWatcher Aug 2015 #6

Yes, but I'm looking at the long term issue sarisataka Aug 2015 #12

Sensible laws will only reduce official numbers, not real numbers. Seriously, the long-term "gun ancianita Aug 2015 #93

Is this before or after we stop guns from being smuggled in? JustABozoOnThisBus Aug 2015 #8

Stop guns from being smuggled in? Hah. Spider Jerusalem Aug 2015 #14

You mean like these guns being smuggled in? Lurks Often Aug 2015 #121

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Supply and demand sarisataka Aug 2015 #16

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Most peaceful era in human history! Taitertots Aug 2015 #23

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And they have failed in other places Taitertots Aug 2015 #28

Did those countries see a REDUCTION is such crimes... Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #41

Australia. CTyankee Aug 2015 #72

But Australia'a decrease in gun violence was smaller than the US's over the same period (nt) Recursion Aug 2015 #108

here CTyankee Aug 2015 #120

Australia also confiscated guns. beevul Aug 2015 #125

Well since there are no magic fairies sarisataka Aug 2015 #24

Post removed Post removed Aug 2015 #31

I never said it can't be done. sarisataka Aug 2015 #38

"pesky" again...wow you guys love that word, as in pesky 2nd Amendment...it's kinda like a mantra... CTyankee Aug 2015 #30

We'll let our trusted police force collect them under threat of death at the end of a gun. linuxman Aug 2015 #10

So where does you plan go JT1979 Aug 2015 #21

You arrest and jail those people like you would any other felony lawbreakers. LonePirate Aug 2015 #40

So what hapens when JT1979 Aug 2015 #52

Those so-called law abiding gun owners are wanted for homicide/attempted homicide among others. LonePirate Aug 2015 #60

What if theres 25 million of them? beevul Aug 2015 #75

Unless all 25M converge on Washington at the same time waving their guns LonePirate Aug 2015 #78

Have you ever heard of assymetrical warfare? beevul Aug 2015 #80

I don't see it ending any differently than the countless police standoffs that occurred up until now LonePirate Aug 2015 #85

"a much larger and better armed group of LEOs." beevul Aug 2015 #86

You are overestimating the bravery and ability of Joe Gun Owner to take down LEOs LonePirate Aug 2015 #89

You're greatly overestimating the average LEO's combat ability. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #90

There might be a bloodbath but you are mistaken about who the victims are going to be. LonePirate Aug 2015 #91

To be blunt, you have no idea what you're talking about. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #98

You truly believe that nonsense? GGJohn Aug 2015 #99

Stop and think about the type of society that would exist to enact a 2A repeal. LonePirate Aug 2015 #101

You're right, hearts and minds are changing, branford Aug 2015 #104

Every poll out there refutes what you're saying here. GGJohn Aug 2015 #109

Would the confiscations all be over by Christmas? friendly_iconoclast Aug 2015 #111

Answer the question. beevul Aug 2015 #92

Most of these hypothetical gun owners would likely be little more than cowards and windbags LonePirate Aug 2015 #100

Like I said... beevul Aug 2015 #103

We've heard this before sarisataka Aug 2015 #105

Cowards and windbags? GGJohn Aug 2015 #110

I agree, but if (and only if) there's no attempt at aggressive enforcement. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #87

Ummm, a lot of gun owners are veterans too DonP Aug 2015 #96

More like 80 million. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #83

Also in question... beevul Aug 2015 #88

How does one know... Fla_Democrat Aug 2015 #112

No need to search houses. DetlefK Aug 2015 #11

While that would work eventually sarisataka Aug 2015 #13

Theft? What theft? DetlefK Aug 2015 #17

Yep. Not too hard to understand... CTyankee Aug 2015 #81

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well, why don't you do some research and see what happens in modern constitutional democracies CTyankee Aug 2015 #19

I am aware what has been done else where sarisataka Aug 2015 #29

just ignore other countries experience...yep...why? CTyankee Aug 2015 #33

When did I say ignore it? sarisataka Aug 2015 #35

well, then consider what happens when other countries control guns better than we do. CTyankee Aug 2015 #39

IMO nothing stands in the way sarisataka Aug 2015 #44

Well, there's that pesky NRA controlling Congress on this issue... CTyankee Aug 2015 #48

OK let me answer with a question... sarisataka Aug 2015 #54

first, I congratulate you on your work on behalf of DV victims. Great job. CTyankee Aug 2015 #65

Thank you sarisataka Aug 2015 #68

It's ironic that the Constitution uses the words "well regulated" and in the 21st world wide wally Aug 2015 #22

States will simply enforce their own constitutions hack89 Aug 2015 #25

"So once the Second Amendment is repealed" - NOT going to happen. BlueCaliDem Aug 2015 #27

It won't happen today but let's see what happens in the next 25 years. LonePirate Aug 2015 #45

I'm not convinced it will ever happen. The 2nd Amendment is here to stay. BlueCaliDem Aug 2015 #50

It will never happen davidn3600 Aug 2015 #94

Never huh? LonePirate Aug 2015 #113

Uh huh, suuuree it will. GGJohn Aug 2015 #114

Your grandchildren and great grandchildren will be standing with their peers and not with you LonePirate Aug 2015 #115

You couldn't be more wrong. GGJohn Aug 2015 #116

Gay marriage wouldnt pass as a constitutional amendment davidn3600 Aug 2015 #117

You didn't pay attention to what I said. LonePirate Aug 2015 #118

What about the state constitutions that explicitly protect RKBA? beevul Aug 2015 #127

So many things wrong with that post. Motown_Johnny Aug 2015 #34

While the thought of police sarisataka Aug 2015 #58

The bill of rights grants no rights. Repealing an amendment would not remove a right. n/t X_Digger Aug 2015 #119

The bill of rights grants no rights? Motown_Johnny Aug 2015 #123

No, the right would become protected by the ninth amendment. X_Digger Aug 2015 #124

I find it funny in a real sad way, how many politically active people do not understand the basics. beevul Aug 2015 #126

I've often said that civics should be a refresher test every 5 years like driver's licenses. X_Digger Aug 2015 #129

The BoR does not GRANT rights, GGJohn Aug 2015 #128

This will help correct ignorance sarisataka Aug 2015 #130

I have been on an ignore kick the last two months or so Trajan Aug 2015 #36

so have I! It's fun. Like a nice cleansing shower... CTyankee Aug 2015 #43

This message was self-deleted by its author hack89 Aug 2015 #46

Should I feel honored sarisataka Aug 2015 #51

Good question though Trajan Aug 2015 #37

Perhaps you would care to answer it n/t sarisataka Aug 2015 #49

With mass strip searching and dog attacks, like they did in Australia jberryhill Aug 2015 #53

That is one possibility sarisataka Aug 2015 #55

I believe you missed the point jberryhill Aug 2015 #57

I addressed it previously sarisataka Aug 2015 #59

I'm cool with that so long as the dog doesn't bite me in the nuts or the butt. ellisonz Aug 2015 #82

just enforce it the way it was written and not perverted by the gun lobby samsingh Aug 2015 #61

I don't want the second amendment repealed... Agschmid Aug 2015 #62

I believe Jefferson alluded to that sarisataka Aug 2015 #63

We'd rip each other apart davidn3600 Aug 2015 #97

Guns would come across the border by the thousands. n/t cherokeeprogressive Aug 2015 #64

America needs to keep its 2nd Amendment rights intact... TeeYiYi Aug 2015 #69

The Muppets have always been our best defense against reductio ad absurdum fallacies. LanternWaste Aug 2015 #70

I am looking forward to the Muppets return sarisataka Aug 2015 #71

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Won't all those responsible, law-abiding gun owners comply. Or is that another NRA lie? Hoyt Aug 2015 #76

This message was self-deleted by its author Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #79

Indeed they will comply sarisataka Aug 2015 #84

Funny, "civil disobedience" over their precious gunz just doesn't ring true. Hoyt Aug 2015 #95

I've brought this up before; The second ammendment says nothing about guns. Not one word. Half-Century Man Aug 2015 #77

I wonder how serious it is HassleCat Aug 2015 #102

I believe some are so blinded sarisataka Aug 2015 #107

It couldn't even get the two thirds majority to repeal on DU Reter Aug 2015 #106

It would be as bad, if not worse than the drug war. Oneironaut Aug 2015 #122