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beevul

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313. This has been discussed before.

Thu Aug 27, 2015, 01:27 PM

Aug 2015

And what does "focus on them" mean?

It means, that IF someone should not have a gun, that possibly, they should not be walking freely through a society in which guns are and will remain common.

How do I know someone will be a misuser?

Past behavior is a predictor of future behavior, far more often than not. Most people who commit gun violence tend not to completely law abiding and snap all the sudden, but instead fall into the repeat offender criminal camp.

Could we tell that the man yesterday would be a misuser... Before he uploaded a video of him killing 2 people?

Several people that he used to work for/with said they were scared of him.

I'm just not sure it really would work.

Well, we KNOW a background check law wouldn't have prevented it...since he passed one.

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] Agschmid Aug 2015 OP

That is a compelling argument, I am convinced now. N/t. ryan_cats Aug 2015 #1

Good, that was easy. Agschmid Aug 2015 #3

Oh, Bravo... ryan_cats Aug 2015 #5

. libodem Aug 2015 #97

Oh my. Glassunion Aug 2015 #2

There is NO reason for non-civilians to have them either. WDIM Aug 2015 #4

I worded it a bit funny, but I agree. Agschmid Aug 2015 #8

Actually the miltary doesn't allow them to have them unless... Bonhomme Richard Aug 2015 #52

Yup. Agschmid Aug 2015 #68

I'm glad you don't get to decide that for me. Throd Aug 2015 #6

It's too damn bad. Agschmid Aug 2015 #9

For you. cleanhippie Aug 2015 #45

Yes. And the people who are senselessly mustered by gunmen EVERY DAMN DAY. Agschmid Aug 2015 #47

So you are really against criminals having guns? cleanhippie Aug 2015 #63

I didn't actually call for the banning of all guns in the OP. Agschmid Aug 2015 #71

The what ARE you suggesting? cleanhippie Aug 2015 #73

I'm suggesting us to have this conversation and take a stand... Agschmid Aug 2015 #85

Then start the conversation, explaining WHY you feel a certain way. cleanhippie Aug 2015 #90

Interesting how you've ignored every suggestion to start an actual conversation. cleanhippie Aug 2015 #148

Says the guy who tried to shut down the debate with an SOP alert. Agschmid Aug 2015 #243

A stand against what, exacty? cleanhippie Aug 2015 #338

I suggest read the 2nd in english, then do what it says by removing ALL guns to well randys1 Aug 2015 #326

False premise. beevul Aug 2015 #333

Funny how most simply don't seem to understand that at all. cleanhippie Aug 2015 #339

I know it. It is basic civics 101. beevul Aug 2015 #340

Teaching facts somehow became political. Even right here on DU that is true. cleanhippie Aug 2015 #342

By showing that it is what it is. beevul Aug 2015 #343

What about lancer78 Aug 2015 #79

Is alcohol used to senselessly murder others? Agschmid Aug 2015 #84

you answered your own question. lancer78 Aug 2015 #93

I did, but also IMO they are't even on the same level. Agschmid Aug 2015 #95

According to the state of california they are GummyBearz Aug 2015 #106

Premeditation comes into it for me. Agschmid Aug 2015 #114

You're right. Alcohol kills WAY more people. nt Adrahil Aug 2015 #237

Really? How many people are murdered annually by alcohol? Orrex Aug 2015 #324

In 2013.... Adrahil Aug 2015 #370

You didn't answer my question Orrex Aug 2015 #371

And when 5 people get stabbed to death... MicaelS Aug 2015 #248

Yup. A picture is worth a thousand words. beevul Aug 2015 #256

+1 840high Aug 2015 #287

How do you plan to 840high Aug 2015 #286

Bull...shit. Archae Aug 2015 #7

Reducing the overal ability of guns will absolutely reduce gun violence. Agschmid Aug 2015 #10

The existing laws need to be better enforced. Archae Aug 2015 #16

BREAKING: 27 Slain in Brutal Fireplace Poker Rampage Orrex Aug 2015 #25

Guns kill people quickly and efficiently... Agschmid Aug 2015 #29

Two kids pulled off a mass murder in OK couple of weeks ago. Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #54

Yes. Agschmid Aug 2015 #64

Really? The weapon was a knife. nt Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #101

Link? Orrex Aug 2015 #116

I cannot reliably link on this pad, but Google Oklahoma Knife Slaying. Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #162

Found it. Quite horrible. Orrex Aug 2015 #194

You're right. Some deaths are more equal than others. Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #314

A spectacular murder will naturally draw more attention Orrex Aug 2015 #323

Hence my #314 addendum. I think it is established fact that MSM Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #325

Still, it's important to consider the numbers Orrex Aug 2015 #328

Here is the LBN link sarisataka Aug 2015 #163

No one denouncing guns on *this* thread had anything to say on *that* thread friendly_iconoclast Aug 2015 #290

Someone had to clean up the Narrative�. Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #229

says the guy with a gun as his screenname CreekDog Aug 2015 #225

I do like Eleanor, how 'bout you? Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #311

then why is your screen name about her gun and not about her? CreekDog Aug 2015 #337

I know I am in good hands with Eleanor. Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #350

Stupid argument. Nt Logical Aug 2015 #34

People keep saying that RichVRichV Aug 2015 #354

There are c. 350 million firearms already in civilian hands. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #16

Yah I don't support just a ban... Agschmid Aug 2015 #22

So yeah, let's do nothing. -none Aug 2015 #37

Nice straw man. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #58

What do you suppose we do about all the gun deaths in this country? -none Aug 2015 #197

I listed some ideas elsewhere in the thread. Here's a link: Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #219

That is a start, but only a start. -none Aug 2015 #234

Too late. Heller says the RKBA is an individual right. hack89 Aug 2015 #385

Sorry, it is not too late to correct that mistake. -none Aug 2015 #386

That will require amending the Constitution, though. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #387

No it will not take a rewriting of the 2nd Amendment. -none Aug 2015 #388

Suffice it to say I strongly disagree. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #389

And just how do you propose to do that? nt hack89 Aug 2015 #390

With the help of 80 some percent of the American citizens that are fed up with the killings. -none Aug 2015 #391

80% of Americans do not want to repeal or radically change the 2A hack89 Aug 2015 #392

is your solution taking away birthright citizenship? CreekDog Aug 2015 #227

Another strawman-Lizzie didn't post in that thread, or mention citizenship in theirs friendly_iconoclast Aug 2015 #291

Lizzie most certainly did post a vote to restrict or eliminate birthright citizenship CreekDog Aug 2015 #336

Yes, that poster removed their vote CreekDog Aug 2015 #345

I seem to have attracted a stalker. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #359

This message was self-deleted by its author Archae Aug 2015 #17

We saw how that worked with booze, pot, anti-gay laws... Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #41

I will fight, and vote for someone who supports reform every day. Agschmid Aug 2015 #50

You are just what the doctor ordered... Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #57

When people are dying almost everyday I don't take sides. Agschmid Aug 2015 #62

What about the lancer78 Aug 2015 #80

That is also a bad thing. Agschmid Aug 2015 #87

Guns aren't jumping off the couch and shooting people on their own TeddyR Aug 2015 #88

Oh, you have taken sides. But that's OK. I take them all the time. Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #105

Yes my side is "murder is bad"... Agschmid Aug 2015 #111

..and also apparently "murder via guns is worse": friendly_iconoclast Aug 2015 #293

Yes murder is bad we should reduce it... Agschmid Aug 2015 #299

I am. Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #316

Good. Agschmid Aug 2015 #317

Do so, but realize that controller/prohibitionist policies don't work. Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #108

That does nothing for me. Agschmid Aug 2015 #113

Don't do safaris, but I respect the offer... Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #318

You wont mitigate guns in the wrong hands through regulating the right hands. N/t beevul Aug 2015 #335

do you use lead shot? CreekDog Aug 2015 #224

There are, in fact, multiple reasons. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #11

So what are they? Agschmid Aug 2015 #12

Need? You're moving the goalposts. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #14

Okay why should they have access to handguns... Agschmid Aug 2015 #19

As I said, countless reasons. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #27

Lol, so what genius plan do you have for your silly last sentence? Nt Logical Aug 2015 #42

Hmmm...giggling and insults. Gee, this seems like a promising conversation. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #61

Just annoys me when people say shit with no idea what they really said. Nt Logical Aug 2015 #140

Self defense. the band leader Aug 2015 #55

It's not a valid reason, sure it helps but see the planned train massacre. Agschmid Aug 2015 #59

It's a perfectly valid reason. the band leader Aug 2015 #78

The prevention of murder of possibly hundreds by three unarmed guys is a red herring. Agschmid Aug 2015 #89

a weak red herring at that. self defense is a valid reason to own a handgun. period. the band leader Aug 2015 #103

Funny I've never felt the need. Agschmid Aug 2015 #127

However, millions have. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #133

Why a gun? Agschmid Aug 2015 #137

Why not a gun? cleanhippie Aug 2015 #151

Because there a hundreds of NON lethal way to defend yourself. Agschmid Aug 2015 #164

What do you propose to do about the 125 million legal gun owners that have never shot anyone cleanhippie Aug 2015 #168

I proposed a few solutions up thread... Agschmid Aug 2015 #171

I've yet to see one from you at all. cleanhippie Aug 2015 #177

Gun violence doesn't exist? Agschmid Aug 2015 #179

It doesn't from 99% of 125 million legal gun owners. cleanhippie Aug 2015 #182

67% of homicides are committed with guns. Agschmid Aug 2015 #183

Mostly by people who posess said gun illegally. cleanhippie Aug 2015 #186

I don't ignore that fact. Agschmid Aug 2015 #188

Lol. And just how would that reduce gun crime since 99% of those owners don't commit a crime? cleanhippie Aug 2015 #196

How do the people illegally obtain guns? Agschmid Aug 2015 #202

I support Universal background checks, severe penalties for crimes using guns, and better cleanhippie Aug 2015 #206

Those work for me. Agschmid Aug 2015 #208

So what are YOU doing to get this to happen? cleanhippie Aug 2015 #211

Election politicians who agree with me. Agschmid Aug 2015 #216

Good luck with that. cleanhippie Aug 2015 #226

I'd also add that gun owners should have to buy insurance. phylny Aug 2015 #289

Would it be better if they were committed with something else? friendly_iconoclast Aug 2015 #292

If some criminal TeddyR Aug 2015 #351

Allow me truebluegreen Aug 2015 #266

Wow. Agschmid Aug 2015 #268

The statistics are out there, no matter how hard the NRA works to supress them. truebluegreen Aug 2015 #269

It's really wild that you are so concerned about everyone having gun rights CreekDog Aug 2015 #346

That is also irrelevant. Self defense is a valid reason to own a handgun. period. the band leader Aug 2015 #139

Why a handgun? Agschmid Aug 2015 #141

because self defense is a valid reason for everyday civilians to own a handgun. the band leader Aug 2015 #161

Because if a criminal attacks TeddyR Aug 2015 #352

George Zimmerman said he was being attacked... Agschmid Aug 2015 #361

Because you're afraid of other civilians with handguns? maxsolomon Aug 2015 #13

Is it okay that people get shot everyday for what... Agschmid Aug 2015 #20

Let me clarify: maxsolomon Aug 2015 #32

Thank you for that link! zappaman Aug 2015 #124

Good link. Agschmid Aug 2015 #129

No need, you already did that (nt) TupperHappy Aug 2015 #21

Actually, now that we are back to an almost permanent Guns Discussion... Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #48

"violence", as broadly defined, is still on the decline in America. maxsolomon Aug 2015 #81

I have seen little evidence that gun deaths have risen. What are your numbers? Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #94

I didn't say they'd risen. maxsolomon Aug 2015 #128

Well, I'm still missing your point as to how lessening the number of guns Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #158

Because you're being deliberately obtuse. maxsolomon Aug 2015 #170

Did Pew Research come up with your data? Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #178

Are homicides via gun somehow worse than homicides via other methods? friendly_iconoclast Aug 2015 #294

The "cause" isn't the "sheer number of guns" TeddyR Aug 2015 #96

Then explain the disproportionate level of firearm deaths between the US and, say, Switzerland maxsolomon Aug 2015 #134

All of the above hack89 Aug 2015 #246

Explanation. Straw Man Aug 2015 #331

Americans are not more criminal or violent than people in Europe or Japan maxsolomon Aug 2015 #376

Come again? Straw Man Aug 2015 #378

This isn't rocket science: maxsolomon Aug 2015 #384

No, it isn't. Straw Man Aug 2015 #393

Do the fetishists have any solutions to those problems you mention? Darb Aug 2015 #112

Kindly link us to one of these 'fetishists' and their purported "solutions" you speak of... friendly_iconoclast Aug 2015 #295

I have one. Stop calling people "fetishists." It's a beginning. Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #321

Here. GGJohn Aug 2015 #360

Agreed. linuxman Aug 2015 #15

9 out 10 gun crimes involve handguns. safeinOhio Aug 2015 #23

Thank you. Agschmid Aug 2015 #24

Indeed so...yet the focus is so often on "assault weapons." Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #33

My God, what happened to that evil-looking "assault weapon?" Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #53

Ding, ding, cliche points, coming your way. Darb Aug 2015 #104

I guess I have to wait for cliches coming my way from somewhere. Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #310

You must not actually read the gun threads laundry_queen Aug 2015 #244

An extremely noisy minority still bangs on (pun intended) about their "dangers" friendly_iconoclast Aug 2015 #297

Oh, but I have read. Been on DU for long?.... Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #309

I want a ban on guns... Agschmid Aug 2015 #312

Compromise? Straw Man Aug 2015 #332

I can want a ban on guns... Agschmid Aug 2015 #348

I appreciate your honesty TeddyR Aug 2015 #353

You can want whatever you want. Straw Man Aug 2015 #356

Longer than you. nt laundry_queen Aug 2015 #355

Beyond fixing at this point. Nt Logical Aug 2015 #26

glad I'm not an everyday civilian. ileus Aug 2015 #28

I'll give you I worded that poorly. Agschmid Aug 2015 #31

I've been a civilian every day ... JustABozoOnThisBus Aug 2015 #49

So what's your plan? EL34x4 Aug 2015 #30

No way to stop shootings at this point. Nt Logical Aug 2015 #35

Here's one idea ConservativeDemocrat Aug 2015 #36

Well they are slightly less efficient devices so I guess it's an improvement. Agschmid Aug 2015 #39

An outright ban will do nothing. At least at first. Agschmid Aug 2015 #38

Heres a novel idea. Focus on those that misuse them. beevul Aug 2015 #122

I think that focus is already there... Agschmid Aug 2015 #123

Please note, the idea has 2 parts. beevul Aug 2015 #125

I'd be more interested in what "good" gun owners... Agschmid Aug 2015 #126

No you wouldn't. beevul Aug 2015 #130

You suggestion was "leave us alone"? Agschmid Aug 2015 #136

Focus on those that misuse guns. beevul Aug 2015 #142

It's really hard to identify "misusers" before it's too late sometimes. Agschmid Aug 2015 #147

Yeah, its hard to identify lots of people before they commit a crime. beevul Aug 2015 #152

You seem to be missing my point... Agschmid Aug 2015 #156

Your point would be valid, if GV offenders were generally first time offenders. beevul Aug 2015 #159

Every time someone points this out to him, he runs away. cleanhippie Aug 2015 #175

It speaks to his/her intentions IMO. beevul Aug 2015 #180

That the problem with those that hold an irrational fear of guns even in the face of facts cleanhippie Aug 2015 #184

I'm not afraid of them. Agschmid Aug 2015 #187

Then what are you afraid of? cleanhippie Aug 2015 #189

I didn't say I was afraid of anything? Agschmid Aug 2015 #190

"There is NO reason for everyday civilians to have handguns" cleanhippie Aug 2015 #192

Again my reaction isn't fear. Agschmid Aug 2015 #195

WTF is MY reaction to your baseless allegations. cleanhippie Aug 2015 #199

67% of murders are committed by guns. Agschmid Aug 2015 #201

Did something like WHAT? What exaclty can legal gun owners that don't commit crimes DO cleanhippie Aug 2015 #203

Enact reforms that reduce gun violence. Agschmid Aug 2015 #205

Reforms like WHAT? Empty rehetoric is just that; empty. cleanhippie Aug 2015 #209

Looks like the question just got answered. Agschmid Aug 2015 #210

Huh? cleanhippie Aug 2015 #213

Not even in the same ballpark. beevul Aug 2015 #218

Your attempt at 'forced teaming' is an obvious ploy friendly_iconoclast Aug 2015 #298

No one is saying I'm a Prohibitionist. Agschmid Aug 2015 #300

Sayeth you, in post #312 "I want a ban on guns" friendly_iconoclast Aug 2015 #362

This message was self-deleted by its author Agschmid Aug 2015 #363

"So I'm open to a compromise" What that is now extant are you willing to give up? friendly_iconoclast Aug 2015 #372

No it speaks to my upbringing. Agschmid Aug 2015 #185

Wrong 'it'. beevul Aug 2015 #193

Okay what's solve? Agschmid Aug 2015 #198

I've already given you suggestions. Somhow, I don't think you'll listen to them... beevul Aug 2015 #220

How do misusers often get guns? Agschmid Aug 2015 #301

This has been discussed before. beevul Aug 2015 #313

That's an excellent question, and I've lots of ideas. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #146

All good things, thank you. Agschmid Aug 2015 #153

They can continue to not shoot or kill anyone. cleanhippie Aug 2015 #172

I didn't know that's what I was doing? Agschmid Aug 2015 #176

Ah, the "good ones" ... Straw Man Aug 2015 #364

I'm not the one who first used the term in this thread? Agschmid Aug 2015 #365

But you're the one ... Straw Man Aug 2015 #366

People who own guns should bear responsibility for actions taken with guns. Agschmid Aug 2015 #367

Correction: Straw Man Aug 2015 #368

OP didn't say ban them. maxsolomon Aug 2015 #40

Yup. Agschmid Aug 2015 #60

Changing your tune? Straw Man Aug 2015 #341

Congress will never act to eliminate guns jeepers Aug 2015 #99

If 99.9 percent of gun owners act responsibly, why should they be penalized because of jonno99 Aug 2015 #43

Funny, we never hear a good response to that question. cleanhippie Aug 2015 #46

Please clarify Orrex Aug 2015 #56

Your DU position on RKBA is well established, and so I don't think any level of clarification jonno99 Aug 2015 #83

We both know that you know that you don't have an answer. Orrex Aug 2015 #100

Thanks for the confirmation...nt jonno99 Aug 2015 #107

Funny indeed. Orrex Aug 2015 #115

I'm sorry - perhaps I missed your "attempt". If you are referring to your request for jonno99 Aug 2015 #155

More back-pedaling. Orrex Aug 2015 #181

You can choose to answer the questions or not. Have a little faith though that there jonno99 Aug 2015 #200

Again worded poorly. Agschmid Aug 2015 #65

Fair enough. Have a good one! jonno99 Aug 2015 #69

Yeah, yeah GUNS! Love my guns!!! Don Lemon Aug 2015 #255

Hard to argue with such a well-supported, substanced position. cleanhippie Aug 2015 #44

agreed, before the lock bettyellen Aug 2015 #51

There will be no lock. Agschmid Aug 2015 #67

Ah, I have been away from the news a full day (dental surgery), just catching up. bettyellen Aug 2015 #76

Oh, they'll let it hang around a while... Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #70

"Controllers"? Agschmid Aug 2015 #74

Or controller/prohibitionists, if you like. Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #82

Can we call gun-advocates "zealots/cultists" then? Orrex Aug 2015 #121

The trick is to find non-pejorative shorthand. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #131

I agree--that was kind of my point. Orrex Aug 2015 #157

OH! that is irony when irony has lost its mettle! Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #154

Gun control used to be a conservative position. lancer78 Aug 2015 #91

I was in college when that happened... Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #98

and how would you propose not only banning them, but enforcing it, and making it still_one Aug 2015 #66

That is actually a very good question. Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #72

Make this a national issue, and then elect politicians who support my point of view. Agschmid Aug 2015 #77

That might get a ban enacted, but doesn't answer the enforcement issue. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #119

Agreed. K&R Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2015 #75

I HAVE A HAND GUN Boudica the Lyoness Aug 2015 #86

I don't, and I am going to fight everyday to reduce the amount of guns. Agschmid Aug 2015 #92

Theres your answer. TampaAnimusVortex Aug 2015 #150

And to those people who didn't want to get murdered today? Agschmid Aug 2015 #173

Don't care... TampaAnimusVortex Aug 2015 #223

Wow. Agschmid Aug 2015 #239

WTF. nt laundry_queen Aug 2015 #245

And there are people today... Adrahil Aug 2015 #238

No but you can significantly REDUCE the risk... Agschmid Aug 2015 #240

SHOUTY-CAPS DENOTE REASONABLE ARGUMENT Orrex Aug 2015 #102

They sure do... Agschmid Aug 2015 #117

"SHOUTY-CAPS"... TeeYiYi Aug 2015 #232

Don't shoot yourself or anyone else with it. Darb Aug 2015 #109

As do I. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #118

Where do you live that you feel you need to have a concealed carry gun? Agschmid Aug 2015 #174

It's not so much "where" and "how." Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #230

Don't forget Politicalboi Aug 2015 #110

Kick and rec! zappaman Aug 2015 #120

This message was self-deleted by its author SlipperySlope Aug 2015 #132

Start an OP let's see what happens. Agschmid Aug 2015 #138

I completely agree. n/t Brainstormy Aug 2015 #135

I completely disagree. Bonx Aug 2015 #160

LEO are civilians. Ikonoklast Aug 2015 #143

Yup. Agschmid Aug 2015 #145

Well, they do come in handy once in a while out west Warpy Aug 2015 #144

+1,000,000,000,000,000,000 Matrosov Aug 2015 #149

Elitist bluestateguy Aug 2015 #165

So preventing senseless murder when guns are used to commit a crime is elitist. Agschmid Aug 2015 #167

Over 33K dead Americans every year Rose Siding Aug 2015 #166

67% of all homicides are committed with a gun. Agschmid Aug 2015 #169

I notice that you fail to mention that of those 33,000 firearm deaths, GGJohn Aug 2015 #252

Suicides should absolutely be discussed when looking at guns. RichVRichV Aug 2015 #357

Agreed!!! GGJohn Aug 2015 #358

Agreed. NRaleighLiberal Aug 2015 #191

Not in a "civilized" society Demeter Aug 2015 #204

Yup. Agschmid Aug 2015 #212

It begs the question sarisataka Aug 2015 #207

I worded that poorly... Agschmid Aug 2015 #214

I don't think it will help sarisataka Aug 2015 #217

I have mine for self-defense, recreation, competition, hunting, and collecting. aikoaiko Aug 2015 #215

If the Democratic Party adopts that position we will lose in a huge way. Enthusiast Aug 2015 #221

To address several pro-gun points made in this thread. ieoeja Aug 2015 #222

Excellent points. nt laundry_queen Aug 2015 #247

Except SCOTUS says they can BainsBane Aug 2015 #228

agreed. i wouldn't say they should be banned - but the gun culture needs to be eliminated samsingh Aug 2015 #231

Heller Decision pretty much ensures people will have access One_Life_To_Give Aug 2015 #233

My main concerns are the yahoos that strap guns on to walk down the street, or have more than just Hoyt Aug 2015 #235

More of that "responsible gun owner" bullshit in this thread, I see. BlueStater Aug 2015 #236

Well, you can't have my gun bluestateguy Aug 2015 #241

Yes, I fully trust the men and women of law enforcement to protect me from criminals bluestateguy Aug 2015 #242

There is every reason and the right is protected Statistical Aug 2015 #249

As long as the police and military hafta give them up 2, I'm game. roamer65 Aug 2015 #250

I don't need a a gun because I'm not afraid to die. BlueJazz Aug 2015 #251

Same. Agschmid Aug 2015 #258

Going to start reading the thread now GP6971 Aug 2015 #253

I did. Agschmid Aug 2015 #257

I have a handgun, but only GP6971 Aug 2015 #270

Ive used guns before, I lived in VT. Agschmid Aug 2015 #271

K&R CharlotteVale Aug 2015 #254

Yeah, rape victims shoud just lay back and enjoy it seveneyes Aug 2015 #259

Guns are not the ONLY form of defense. Agschmid Aug 2015 #261

Guns work really well against rapist, muggers and other worthless fucks seveneyes Aug 2015 #262

As does pepper spray. Agschmid Aug 2015 #263

Not really. Well unless you pull your gun before they stick their gun in your belly. So how Hoyt Aug 2015 #282

I am strongly pro gun control but LiberalElite Aug 2015 #260

Don't agree. I carry a handgun most every day at work Kilgore Aug 2015 #264

So carry a .410; that's what I did working on my grandfather's farm Recursion Aug 2015 #272

Not practical Kilgore Aug 2015 #303

I love my tactical machete (nt) Recursion Aug 2015 #305

Are those ones that Kilgore Aug 2015 #306

+1 DashOneBravo Aug 2015 #329

Got it! Kilgore Aug 2015 #347

Fine, leave it at home when you go to town, and keep it to a .22 or something similar. Hoyt Aug 2015 #275

I carry a Glock 10mm automatic or a Smith and Wesson .357 magnum most days the band leader Aug 2015 #280

Aren't you special, and paranoid. The 95+% who can walk down the street without a gun, aren't Hoyt Aug 2015 #281

It is not my intention to impress anyone. the band leader Aug 2015 #283

Good for you. The angry white guys buy and carry most of the gunz nowadays. Hoyt Aug 2015 #284

Post removed Post removed Aug 2015 #285

I'm sure your interlocutor will give your unsolicted letters patent all due considertion friendly_iconoclast Aug 2015 #296

The FBI might disagree with you Travis_0004 Aug 2015 #319

Murders and white guys arming up are two different things. Go to any gun show, or store, and Hoyt Aug 2015 #330

You conflate "people I don't like doing things I don't like" with "criminal" friendly_iconoclast Aug 2015 #373

Just truth. As a gunner, I suspect you know it's the truth, even if you don't want to admit it. Hoyt Aug 2015 #374

I own no guns, so your telepsychology is as faulty as your sociology friendly_iconoclast Aug 2015 #375

Since you post often in the Gungeon, I guess you just like hanging out with them. You still Hoyt Aug 2015 #377

One of the hosts of Gun Control Reform Activism posts in the Gungeon more often than I do friendly_iconoclast Aug 2015 #381

Aside from 'being armed while lacking melanin', what crimes did those people commit? friendly_iconoclast Aug 2015 #383

You could do something progressive with that money... Agschmid Aug 2015 #315

Handguns are the problem. Recursion Aug 2015 #265

This. Agschmid Aug 2015 #267

Tell that to everyday citizens in the "hood" romanic Aug 2015 #273

Maybe we should work to get rid of the "hood" rather than arm it? Agschmid Aug 2015 #274

If you're not from that kind of background romanic Aug 2015 #276

You are making an assumption about me. Agschmid Aug 2015 #277

Then you should know that.. romanic Aug 2015 #279

So we should do nothing. Agschmid Aug 2015 #302

Absolutely we should. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #278

Yes and not just in the "hood". 840high Aug 2015 #288

Yup, if they like shooting for fun, buy a fucking nerf gun. nt Bonobo Aug 2015 #304

But special day civilians need them. Kablooie Aug 2015 #307

And I don't think there is very much support for civilian handgun bans aikoaiko Aug 2015 #308

Like Bernie I don't do what polls tell me to do. Agschmid Aug 2015 #320

I don't think polls tell anyone what to do. aikoaiko Aug 2015 #322

I can give you one HassleCat Aug 2015 #327

Guns are necessary to keep the slaves from running away. moondust Aug 2015 #334

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2015 #344

Such as? Agschmid Aug 2015 #349

Because too many Republicans have guns. John Poet Aug 2015 #369

You, my state nor any law will take my property from me. GOLGO 13 Aug 2015 #379

The old "Molon Labe" so popular with so-called law-abiding gunners. Hoyt Aug 2015 #382

Our neighbor's father is always packing a gun (or guns). He wears this vest all the time even in AlinPA Aug 2015 #380

Self deleting... I got my across. Agschmid Aug 2015 #394