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Octafish

(55,745 posts)
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 08:26 PM Aug 2015

Beethoven was a Democrat. Goethe knew his ''Place.'' [View all]



Goethe’s social attitudes, like his musical tastes, were shaped in a more formal age. For Beethoven, 21 years his junior, the only true aristocrats were artists. In the mythology, his disillusionment was clinched by Goethe’s behaviour when they encountered royalty in the street, as reported 20 years later by Bettina: "Beethoven said to Goethe: 'keep walking as you have until now, holding my arm, they must make way for us, not the other way around. Goethe thought differently; he drew his hand, took off his hat and stepped aside, while Beethoven, hands in pockets, went right through the dukes and their cortege... They drew aside to make way for him, saluting him in friendly fashion. Waiting for Goethe who had let the dukes pass, Beethoven told him: “I have waited for you because I respect you and I admire your work, but you have shown too much esteem to those people.”’

SOURCE: http://www.gramophone.co.uk/features/focus/a-meeting-of-genius-beethoven-and-goethe-july-1812?pmtx=most-popular&utm_expid=32540977-5.-DEFmKXoQdmXwfDwHzJRUQ.1&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F


The composer Luigi Cherubini compared Beethoven to an "unlicked bear cub.'

"Like to a chaos, or an unlicked bear-whelp,
That carries no impression like the dam."

— Shakespeare:3 Henry VI, act iii. sc. 2 (1595)


Reading about Beethoven's measure of the aristocrats makes me glad for my politics today. Lots of voices, all free to speak their mind and each equal under the law, working toward the goal of making this life better for ALL. That is the essence of Democratic politics.
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yep... dhill926 Aug 2015 #1
A revolutionary idea. Octafish Aug 2015 #8
here's what they mean with the bear cubs MisterP Aug 2015 #2
''The bears of Numidia stand out from other bears--'' Octafish Aug 2015 #9
One of Beethoven's more illustrious quotes: Art_from_Ark Aug 2015 #3
The GOP's Ode to Misery Blue Owl Aug 2015 #4
celebrity privilege nt msongs Aug 2015 #5
Immanuel Kant was a real piss ant truebluegreen Aug 2015 #6
Some people get it ... eppur_se_muova Aug 2015 #7
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