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beevul

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26. Where do you draw this conclusion from?

Thu Aug 27, 2015, 10:20 PM

Aug 2015

The fact is we have allowed gun dealers and gun manufacturers to operate nearly without regulation in this country...

Where do you draw this conclusion from?

I'm pretty sure FFL holders would be shocked to hear they operate under almost no regulation, and the ATF which compliance checks these FFL holders would be even more shocked to hear it.

Perhaps trying to operate outside the premise that 'the only way to reduce gun violence is through direct reduction and regulation of the gun' might net some benefits that direct conflict with people that value gun rights will not. It would have the advantage of not being opposed by tens of millions of voters. Assuming its the gun violence rather than the guns, that you see as the problem.

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chris matthews "you don't need a gun in DC". [View all] DesertFlower Aug 2015 OP

I've worked in both NYC and DC and have never owned a gun. Never needed one nor do I want one. madinmaryland Aug 2015 #1

i didn't feel safe when i lived in new york. in fact DesertFlower Aug 2015 #2

see post 3 dsc Aug 2015 #5

i was working overtime one night. DesertFlower Aug 2015 #19

I worked in Manhattan, 42nd and Lexington. I would routinely walk outside at night after phylny Aug 2015 #34

there's a big difference between 42nd and lexington DesertFlower Aug 2015 #36

when did you live in sabbat hunter Aug 2015 #92

Yup. Agschmid Aug 2015 #30

I've lived in NYC my entire life and always felt safe... meaculpa2011 Aug 2015 #102

you were better off in NY dsc Aug 2015 #3

But of course the important thing... gcomeau Aug 2015 #4

i was not better off in new york. not talking about crime. DesertFlower Aug 2015 #11

In fairness I should have used safer as opposed to better off dsc Aug 2015 #13

actualy sabbat hunter Aug 2015 #93

depends on where you live in phoenix. DesertFlower Aug 2015 #21

to be fair, though, those are NYC's numbers now fishwax Aug 2015 #58

thank you. my husband used to go back to DesertFlower Aug 2015 #67

42nd and 6th is a walk in the park now fishwax Aug 2015 #72

i'm happy to hear that. my friend lives DesertFlower Aug 2015 #74

Theres a big difference between walking and driving, too TexasMommaWithAHat Aug 2015 #82

Yeah... trumad Aug 2015 #6

if someone breaks into my house DesertFlower Aug 2015 #12

This message was self-deleted by its author Agschmid Aug 2015 #33

to be honest i've been considering DesertFlower Aug 2015 #42

Stranger rapes are pretty uncommon. LeftyMom Aug 2015 #49

i watch the 10pm news -- mostly for the weather. DesertFlower Aug 2015 #50

Not being a shut-in doesn't make your fears rational. LeftyMom Aug 2015 #52

you're living in a dream world. DesertFlower Aug 2015 #55

No, I understand basic statistics. LeftyMom Aug 2015 #57

Are you a strict gun control supporter? beevul Aug 2015 #61

This message was self-deleted by its author DesertFlower Aug 2015 #66

I so don't agree with you. 840high Aug 2015 #77

Uncommon? Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #64

back in the mid 80s, i met an 80 year old AA DesertFlower Aug 2015 #68

How utterly horrible. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #69

i thought of lorena bobbit. DesertFlower Aug 2015 #71

In my very nice area a man mowing 840high Aug 2015 #76

omg. so sorry to hear that. DesertFlower Aug 2015 #78

They should know that might happen. Lulu Belle Aug 2015 #83

"You don't need a gun." Fixed it for Chris. Nt. Juicy_Bellows Aug 2015 #7

I see Baltimore just celebrated its 211th homicide last week the band leader Aug 2015 #8

Funny how that works. How do comparable cities with loose gun laws compare? beevul Aug 2015 #9

I think a moderate amount of research would suggest that gun control laws have no effect the band leader Aug 2015 #24

. Agschmid Aug 2015 #35

is there a point there somewhere? the band leader Aug 2015 #38

Do a little light reading, open your mind. Agschmid Aug 2015 #40

If gun control decreases shootings, why are there so many shootings in Baltimore, the band leader Aug 2015 #65

Because you are wrong? kwassa Aug 2015 #109

Your excerpt misrepresents the facts. beevul Aug 2015 #113

the bad guys always get the guns. DesertFlower Aug 2015 #14

Post removed Post removed Aug 2015 #41

you are out of line. i can't stand arpaio. DesertFlower Aug 2015 #51

People like you kept Joe Arpaio in office. GGJohn Aug 2015 #53

i think that post should be directed to leftymom DesertFlower Aug 2015 #70

I just checked and it is directed to her. GGJohn Aug 2015 #73

i think she should apologize too. DesertFlower Aug 2015 #75

DC had a literal handgun ban until 2008 Recursion Aug 2015 #10

i agree. nt DesertFlower Aug 2015 #16

yeah thanks to Virginia it was easy to get guns in DC dsc Aug 2015 #17

I don't know. Cocaine is banned and isn't hard to get either Recursion Aug 2015 #18

when cocaine kills tens of thousands of people a year dsc Aug 2015 #22

Alcohol kills that many, and most of us agree banning it was not a good idea Recursion Aug 2015 #23

Where do you draw this conclusion from? beevul Aug 2015 #26

Nebraska and Oklahoma are using that very argument right now. beevul Aug 2015 #20

If Colorado built marijuana dispenseries right on the boarder dsc Aug 2015 #27

What? beevul Aug 2015 #32

the fact is gun companies sold vast quantities of guns dsc Aug 2015 #37

No, thats NOT a fact. beevul Aug 2015 #43

What unadulterated horse crap. GGJohn Aug 2015 #46

Shame on you... beevul Aug 2015 #59

I'm kinda funny that way, GGJohn Aug 2015 #60

right sure it does dsc Aug 2015 #80

Manufacturer's have no freaking way of knowing who is going to buy their firearms GGJohn Aug 2015 #84

Of course they do dsc Aug 2015 #85

So in other words GGJohn Aug 2015 #86

Smith and Wesson admitted to it and agreed to change their ways dsc Aug 2015 #89

Its a subscription site, so how about quoting the relevent parts. beevul Aug 2015 #94

It came up for me without a subscription dsc Aug 2015 #95

if you had asked more nicely I would have quoted this article but since you were such a jerk dsc Aug 2015 #96

I read the entire thing. It does not support your assertion. N/T beevul Aug 2015 #99

yes it does dsc Aug 2015 #101

Settling and admitting fault are two different things. beevul Aug 2015 #103

they also changed the practices dsc Aug 2015 #104

Your assertions are still unsupported. beevul Aug 2015 #105

of course the poor dears did nothing wrong dsc Aug 2015 #106

They certainly didn't admit they did, as you have asserted. beevul Aug 2015 #107

Direct sales to end-users are extremely rare in the firearms industry. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #87

Facts. Now, an NRA talking point. Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #90

Dogs make better friends than guns, and are almost as good a deterrent HereSince1628 Aug 2015 #15

my step daughter lives in a remote DesertFlower Aug 2015 #25

I've lived in rural areas...on farms or villages without police most of my adult life HereSince1628 Aug 2015 #31

that statement makes no sense. DesertFlower Aug 2015 #44

"...fear is rather more important..." What are your fears? Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #91

I'm not afraid of rural home intrusion and living without a firearm HereSince1628 Aug 2015 #97

Sounds good. Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #114

That's copmpletely false. the band leader Aug 2015 #29

"A lot" that's an impressive stat... HereSince1628 Aug 2015 #39

If a dog eases your fear, hey, whatever works for you... the band leader Aug 2015 #62

i agree. nt DesertFlower Aug 2015 #45

A barking dog keeps people from coming in to begin with. LeftyMom Aug 2015 #47

It depends. If the thief knows you have something worthwhile your dog won't stop him. the band leader Aug 2015 #63

The choice to include a firearm sarisataka Aug 2015 #28

well said. nt DesertFlower Aug 2015 #48

Exactly. bobclark86 Aug 2015 #108

This message was self-deleted by its author DesertFlower Aug 2015 #54

good night to all of you. DesertFlower Aug 2015 #56

matthews is right. (I rarely say that.) elleng Aug 2015 #79

I lived in the DC area for 7 1/2 years... MrScorpio Aug 2015 #81

Same experiences and same choices for me! etherealtruth Aug 2015 #98

I wonder who made Matthews the decider of needs? Snobblevitch Aug 2015 #88

I am sure you way over estimate the changes you will ever need a gun. Most people do. nt Logical Aug 2015 #100

By the same reasoning, most people similarly overestimate their chances of being threatened by one. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #110

Isn't it the same thing? nt Logical Aug 2015 #111

Basically, yes. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #112

Similar but the probability you will be a victim of violent crime is about 100x higher Statistical Aug 2015 #116

Joe Biden thinks a shotgun is perfectly acceptable for home defense NickB79 Aug 2015 #115