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In reply to the discussion: This message was self-deleted by its author [View all]Straw Man
(6,948 posts)102. Last word?
I'm skeptical.
Your argument continues to be that my rationale for a private property owner lawfully banning CC on his property and a business owner denying equal treatment to a class of people in the course of his business is the same, and it is not. You refuse to see that the situations are completely different and involve completely different Constitutional questions. There is no 'broader issue'.
This was always about business owners and what they do on the property where they operate. Did you think we were talking about entering people's homes? The issue is and always was businesses that post their property "No Guns Allowed." And there certainly is a broader issue: the extent to which property owners can discriminate on private property that is open to the public.
I posed the question about the hijab because it bridges the divide between a "class of people" and a voluntary action. I've heard the argument from those who defend the French ban that "they can just leave hijab at home" if they want to attend a public school. I think the underlying rights issues are similar and worthy of discussion. You don't want to discuss it. Your prerogative.
You further argue that a property owner's right to ban CC on his/her property is 'far from absolute', yet you are unable to cite a single case, statute or ordinance that proves otherwise, choosing instead to ridicule my demand for proof.
I gave you a citation showing that in many states business owners cannot bar their employees from having weapons in their cars on company property. This contradicts your contention that the right to bar firearms on private property is absolute under the law. I'll stand: it's far from absolute.
Your demand for "proof" was an attempt to narrow and shift the focus of the discussion. And as I've just pointed out, I did provide proof, whether you acknowledge it or not.
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Currently consequences arent much. The irresponsible gun owner simply goes out and buys another one
Hoyt
Aug 2015
#1
I should be against the law to leave your gun unattended inside a car, or in a house with under 18.
Sunlei
Aug 2015
#2
So, you're OK with violating the property owner's right to insist you not carry?
ColesCountyDem
Aug 2015
#22
Violating someone else's rights doesn't strike me as a progressive value.
ColesCountyDem
Aug 2015
#24
No, I don't care to debate this any further with you, and the two situations are not comparable
ColesCountyDem
Aug 2015
#56
No, you keep asking me to explain why entirely different fact patterns...
ColesCountyDem
Aug 2015
#59
The legal fact patterns are NOT analogous, and the rationales are NOT the same!
ColesCountyDem
Aug 2015
#91
I would just note that many of statutes preventing discrimination against those
branford
Aug 2015
#73
Learn to go places without a gun or two strapped to your body. Do you normally wear
Hoyt
Aug 2015
#32
It's a personal choice that adversely affects society, just like your 3 or 4 gun safes
Hoyt
Aug 2015
#46
Theres a difference between adversely effecting society, and simply bothering you.
beevul
Aug 2015
#47
You actually carry a lethal weapon. If it were just a "PSD," you and the other gunners would not
Hoyt
Aug 2015
#71
If you choose to place your deadly weapon in a location where others can access it,
Crunchy Frog
Aug 2015
#94
I keep a water moccasin in my center console and label the lid: "Ruger Inside."
Eleanors38
Aug 2015
#35
I can't see blaming/punishing the theft victim for future use of stolen items by criminals.
aikoaiko
Aug 2015
#97
I understand your position on stolen guns. Does that apply to other stolen items used in crimes?
aikoaiko
Aug 2015
#99
To put it gently, your interlocutor seems to have found your question to be awkward
friendly_iconoclast
Sep 2015
#103