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Gormy Cuss

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97. Myth 4, detail.

Sun Aug 30, 2015, 12:19 PM

Aug 2015

Up until the 1970s most farmers who purchased seed did so from small, local seed producers. Then big players in the chemical and pharmaceutical industries-Monsanto being one of those players- consolidated the market.

Monsanto controls the bulk of the commercial corn and soybean seed production in the U.S. Monsanto and its policies are dictating what varieties are available. Monsanto has a deep financial interest in preventing GMO labeling in this country because science aside, the label "GMO-free" will have an impact on their bottom line.

There is overwhelming popular support for GMO labeling of the food supply in the U.S. That won't change by calling people anti-science or believers pf pseudo-science. If anything that approach will just make people MORE resistant to GMO foods.

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The anti-GMO movement is nothing but a pseudoscientific scam. [View all] alp227 Aug 2015 OP

Whatever. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2015 #1

Yep. hunter Aug 2015 #35

I've made mention of similar before... Lancero Aug 2015 #40

Saying that the reasons behind all GM's is the same, or the producers are the same or that Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2015 #42

Many, not all. Lancero Aug 2015 #46

I imagine if you talked to various anti-GM protesters out in the world Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2015 #47

And being piled on, wanting to know what monesto is paying me for daring to support medical GMOs. Lancero Aug 2015 #50

My insulin comes from genetically modified bacteria eridani Aug 2015 #56

Funny thing is, once the Carotene levels in golden rice were brought up.. X_Digger Aug 2015 #58

Hear about the anti-gmo group that tried to scare diabetics into not using insulin? Lancero Aug 2015 #81

Even that doesn't make sense, they always cite Agent Orange and the actions of the government... Humanist_Activist Aug 2015 #106

Monsanto is devoted to turning everyting into agribusiness, and then dominating that. eridani Aug 2015 #170

What does this post even mean? Monsanto is a for profit company, they are rather... Humanist_Activist Aug 2015 #193

I have, and, no, they don't. HuckleB Sep 2015 #277

the issue of the actual science is quite different from the marketing issue virtualobserver Aug 2015 #2

Well said Lorien Aug 2015 #12

"Labeling lets people decide for themselves." alp227 Aug 2015 #21

Candidate Obama thought labels were a good idea nationalize the fed Aug 2015 #22

Green for victory!!...nt SidDithers Aug 2015 #37

Candidate Obama also thought "clean coal" was a thing too. progressoid Aug 2015 #164

I honestly don't know much about GMO davidpdx Aug 2015 #177

Costco might not have been fully honest about that. HuckleB Sep 2015 #249

I have no reason to believe or disbelieve your supposed scientific FACT..... virtualobserver Aug 2015 #29

That's how markets work. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2015 #41

Imposing unnecessary government regulation to increase one industry's market share... Major Nikon Aug 2015 #152

"Imposing unnecessary government regulation" TBF Aug 2015 #173

Owch davidpdx Aug 2015 #176

Sure, because unnecessary government regulation is what the left is all about Major Nikon Aug 2015 #179

Bashing the government is not TBF Aug 2015 #187

You funny Major Nikon Aug 2015 #188

The left doesn't like regulation just because they think it's a pretty word kcr Aug 2015 #189

I didn't say we support all regulation - TBF Aug 2015 #200

No, you just claimed I was right wing because I don't support stupid chemophobic regulation Major Nikon Aug 2015 #208

Does it actually? Chan790 Aug 2015 #228

Does abortion cause cancer you mean? kcr Sep 2015 #239

That was what I asked... Chan790 Sep 2015 #241

That's it! The OP seems to lump legitimate criticism and overzealous labelers into one category. n/t Betty Karlson Sep 2015 #236

"Legitimate criticism." HuckleB Sep 2015 #243

It's fine by me. People want to know what they are eating regardless of whether Monsanto GoneFishin Aug 2015 #3

Yes, the overwhelming consensus of the scientific community, including cpwm17 Aug 2015 #4

Great, they're safe. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2015 #43

Then companies can label their products as GMO free for people that are into that stuff. cpwm17 Aug 2015 #45

And many are. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2015 #48

No one is trying to block that. HuckleB Aug 2015 #136

No. The American Medical Association said: GreatGazoo Aug 2015 #49

Glyphosphate sure the fuck is not. And the purpose of Monsanton's GMOs is to-- eridani Aug 2015 #55

Really? Major Nikon Aug 2015 #60

we can just take for granted handmade34 Aug 2015 #157

I'll take that as a no Major Nikon Aug 2015 #158

The New England Journal of Medicine does not agree. enough Aug 2015 #5

No, Philip J. Landrigan and Charles Benbrook don't agree. cpwm17 Aug 2015 #23

Dr Charles Benbrook found that organic foods had higher antioxidant levels and lower cadmium GreatGazoo Aug 2015 #51

Way to ignore the full results of a researcher who has been debunked over and over again. HuckleB Aug 2015 #138

Okay, if it's a "pseudoscience scam," chervilant Aug 2015 #6

Likewise the organic industry should have no problem with "fertilized with cow shit" labels Major Nikon Aug 2015 #155

As someone who grew up on farms... Chan790 Aug 2015 #229

Actually synthetic nitrogen fertilizers are derived from natural gas Major Nikon Sep 2015 #231

Deal laundry_queen Sep 2015 #251

Except one has exactly shit to do with food safety Major Nikon Sep 2015 #252

Totally equivalent laundry_queen Sep 2015 #253

And you are pretending all synthetic nitrogen comes from fracking Major Nikon Sep 2015 #254

No I didn't laundry_queen Sep 2015 #262

I predict greatness for this thread Coventina Aug 2015 #7

Does it come with free ears? Hydra Aug 2015 #8

Oh heck no! Coventina Aug 2015 #10

GMO-free salt Kali Aug 2015 #9

Enjoy your Roundup Ready GMO corn with added pig proteins and antibiotics! Lorien Aug 2015 #11

Bacon flavored popcorn right off the cob?? Hydra Aug 2015 #14

Almost no sweet corn on the market is GMO. MohRokTah Aug 2015 #135

My thoughts exactly! odd_duck Sep 2015 #272

You agree with silly Internet fictions? HuckleB Sep 2015 #273

It isn't the science behind it all that i question hifiguy Aug 2015 #13

Within a few weeks after the Iraq invasion Oilwellian Aug 2015 #19

Yep laundry_queen Aug 2015 #25

Jurassic Park time, eh? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2015 #44

Corporate ownership of the food supply and ruined lives of farmers WDIM Aug 2015 #61

This is a big problem too Bettie Aug 2015 #178

All types of seeds can be patented. HuckleB Aug 2015 #184

Then there shouldn't be a problem with labeling it. jazzimov Aug 2015 #15

I want my food labeled that it contains no Leprechaun feces. progressoid Aug 2015 #162

silly H2O Man Aug 2015 #16

My bacon flavored popcorn told me to vote you an Un-Rec Hydra Aug 2015 #17

How serious is your problem on the RFS scale? Major Nikon Aug 2015 #156

What is your financial interest in GMOs? roody Aug 2015 #18

Wow, is everything a conspiracy to you? Your tinfoil hat is on a little too tight. Humanist_Activist Aug 2015 #24

Your financial interest is still unknown. roody Aug 2015 #28

You are just reinforcing my point. n/t Humanist_Activist Aug 2015 #32

Ironic, really: a "poisoning the well" fallacy committed by someone... Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #93

I guess he could go for guilt by association, I'm born and raised in St. Louis after all. n/t Humanist_Activist Aug 2015 #99

They are generally cheaper than the alternative Major Nikon Aug 2015 #64

Right. And Dupont and Monsanto have never put a poisonous product on the market pnwmom Aug 2015 #20

When you want to peddle putrid shit to the public, JohnyCanuck Aug 2015 #26

Thanks. So that was just published a few days ago in a peer-reviewed journal. pnwmom Aug 2015 #31

Séralini Major Nikon Aug 2015 #212

Another intelligent response of yours. n/t pnwmom Aug 2015 #214

Sure, because channeling Seralini is so smart Major Nikon Aug 2015 #226

Good that this is a long term study. immoderate Aug 2015 #207

The anti-GMO crowd are just as bad as the anti-vaxxers. Deadshot Aug 2015 #27

They own a number of patents. roody Aug 2015 #30

Yup. tymorial Aug 2015 #53

It's annoying how the anti-GMO crowd pretends to be as knowledgeable as scientists. Oneironaut Aug 2015 #131

Monsanto is on record suing family farmers WDIM Aug 2015 #74

Sounds like you have a problem with the poisons and not the GMOs. Deadshot Aug 2015 #86

Nonsense Major Nikon Aug 2015 #88

All corporations are greedy POS. Oneironaut Aug 2015 #132

Science relies on logic. Conflating the 93% of american who want GMO foods labelled with the 7% who GreatGazoo Aug 2015 #159

Nope. Deadshot Aug 2015 #160

+1,000,000 ... 000 HuckleB Sep 2015 #271

What's REALLY "so damn pathetic" is DUers shilling for multinational corporations who want scarletwoman Aug 2015 #33

^ ^ ^ THIS ^ ^ ^ Octafish Aug 2015 #90

Myth 4: Before Monsanto got in the way, farmers typically saved their seeds and re-used them Major Nikon Aug 2015 #92

Oh. So farmers do get to use their crops' seeds? Octafish Aug 2015 #95

They can reuse them all they want Major Nikon Aug 2015 #102

Myth 4, detail. Gormy Cuss Aug 2015 #97

Myth 5: Most seeds these days are genetically modified. Major Nikon Aug 2015 #104

It's more work to find NON-GMO seeds for corn and soybeans Gormy Cuss Aug 2015 #111

Voluntary, albeit disingenuous, labeling and mandatory labeling are two different things Major Nikon Aug 2015 #115

Yes, they are. Gormy Cuss Aug 2015 #116

I could care less really Major Nikon Aug 2015 #118

I don't shill for multinational corporations. I loathe them. progressoid Aug 2015 #163

Exactly. Lorien Aug 2015 #166

You know, it's good that the conversation is Ron Green Aug 2015 #34

DU rec... SidDithers Aug 2015 #36

I went through Seralini's study. immoderate Aug 2015 #210

WRONG WRONG WRONG SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #38

Good post. Good links. Kickin'... (eom) CanSocDem Aug 2015 #54

When attempting to contradict, it's best to include relevant facts Major Nikon Aug 2015 #62

Some of what you brought up are valid concerns, they have nothing to do with GMOs... Humanist_Activist Aug 2015 #68

I find that sad Bradical79 Aug 2015 #186

GMO's are like tattoos SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #190

That's a straw man. No one is asking for salt to be labeled GMO-free. We are asking for the opposite: pnwmom Aug 2015 #39

You can ask all you want Major Nikon Aug 2015 #63

Oh, she'll bring up her favorite organic shill as soon as she can. HuckleB Aug 2015 #123

Thank you for revealing your "pro-free market," climate denial, Koch colors so clearly! pnwmom Aug 2015 #126

As usual, your response is less than honest. HuckleB Aug 2015 #134

Mine is completely honest. I don't trust Koch- funded "debunkers" and climate science deniers, pnwmom Aug 2015 #137

Hogwash. HuckleB Aug 2015 #139

I understand that when corporations are the ones doing the funding, the "science" pnwmom Aug 2015 #144

That's funny as hell Major Nikon Sep 2015 #237

So if you reject Seralini because of his connections, why don't you reject all the research pnwmom Sep 2015 #244

Glad you asked. The answer is because that would be completely fucking stupid. Major Nikon Sep 2015 #250

God. How I love a well formed non "feelings" based opinion. tymorial Aug 2015 #52

The problem is that the anti-GMO edhopper Aug 2015 #57

And in the process deligitamize such concerns, similar to how some anti-vaxxers have... Humanist_Activist Aug 2015 #65

I don't disagree edhopper Aug 2015 #71

GMOs are anti-farmers and anti-family farms. WDIM Aug 2015 #69

Yes edhopper Aug 2015 #72

so why not call for "sustainably farmed" labels rather than "GMO free?" mike_c Aug 2015 #127

Probably because they wouldn't be able to support the claim. HuckleB Aug 2015 #141

That's not unique to GMO Major Nikon Aug 2015 #75

That is not a myth. WDIM Aug 2015 #77

Then post just one instance of it happening Major Nikon Aug 2015 #78

I added a link of Monsantos harrassment. and intimidation after you replied WDIM Aug 2015 #80

Just one instance of Monsanto suing someone for overseeding Major Nikon Aug 2015 #82

No you ask for one example due to seed drift WDIM Aug 2015 #85

Wrong Major Nikon Aug 2015 #89

Ok so I know your problem you cant read. WDIM Aug 2015 #94

You funny Major Nikon Aug 2015 #100

He was sorting seeds he believed to be non-gmo WDIM Aug 2015 #107

You funny Major Nikon Aug 2015 #112

It is a myth. Deadshot Aug 2015 #87

NPR article Major Nikon Aug 2015 #91

Yep. Deadshot Aug 2015 #98

Another apologist for the mega corporations WDIM Aug 2015 #59

GMOs are regulated by the FDA, EPA, and USDA Major Nikon Aug 2015 #66

If a company submitting its own research WDIM Aug 2015 #70

That's exactly how transport aircraft are certified Major Nikon Aug 2015 #73

Do you think tobacco is safe? WDIM Aug 2015 #76

Caution: Cigarette Smoking May be Hazardous to Your Health (1966) Major Nikon Aug 2015 #79

The Tobaccos industry's manipulation of science is WDIM Aug 2015 #83

And yet warning labels have existed at least since 1966 Major Nikon Aug 2015 #84

Only because of independent studies WDIM Aug 2015 #96

Because they are regulated by the government Major Nikon Aug 2015 #101

Post removed Post removed Aug 2015 #108

I'm not going to respond to a personal attack other than pointing it out Major Nikon Aug 2015 #114

Anti-GMO activists are the ones practicing “tobacco science”. HuckleB Aug 2015 #122

Ever notice how those who get their feathers ruffled over this use words like 'poison' and 'toxic' Major Nikon Aug 2015 #67

Wrong target HassleCat Aug 2015 #103

Certain types of GMOs have pesticides in their DNA WDIM Aug 2015 #109

Which is also true for most non-GMO plants Major Nikon Aug 2015 #129

99% of the pesticides we ingest are produced in plant DNA. And that goes for organics, too. Nailzberg Aug 2015 #149

Why are you blowing their minds with reality? HuckleB Aug 2015 #230

Reuters:Germany starts move to ban GMO crops: ministry letter RufusTFirefly Aug 2015 #105

Politics, not science. HuckleB Sep 2015 #275

Bullshit Trajan Aug 2015 #110

Is this really your bullshit call? Major Nikon Aug 2015 #151

I agree, but the seperate issue of labeling food and transparency by a private corporation Rex Aug 2015 #113

I do not make a case that GMO's are evil and should have a scarlet letter/should be banned. KamaAina Aug 2015 #117

You ever eat an Ruby Red grapefruit? Major Nikon Aug 2015 #125

It comes in pretty handy in saving lives. progressoid Aug 2015 #165

Ever eaten a seedless watermelon? jeff47 Aug 2015 #202

How about a Ruby Red grapefruit? Major Nikon Sep 2015 #238

Yep, was just covering chemical mutagens since grapefruit was in another reply. (nt) jeff47 Sep 2015 #247

Anyone remember Genetically Modified Tomatoes HockeyMom Aug 2015 #119

No Major Nikon Aug 2015 #128

[Citation Needed] Oneironaut Aug 2015 #133

If GMOs were so safe you wouldn't need a marketing campaign TBF Aug 2015 #120

I go with the scientists. cpwm17 Aug 2015 #124

every major scientific organization in the world has found GMOs crops safe... mike_c Aug 2015 #130

I am fully in support of vaccinations - TBF Aug 2015 #150

I'm happy to answer that question.... mike_c Aug 2015 #154

Europeans are more inclined to fall for bad health and medical science than Americans. cpwm17 Aug 2015 #161

In many cases it's the exact same people Major Nikon Aug 2015 #153

AGAIN, how are "roundup ready" crops with added pig protein and antibiotics Lorien Aug 2015 #167

There are no commercially available GMO food crops that have been spliced with animal DNA Major Nikon Aug 2015 #182

"Answer the damn question already!" mike_c Aug 2015 #197

No, what you need is a marketing campaign to get people to buy jeff47 Aug 2015 #203

Indeed. it's stunning and scary to see so many people for the anti-GMO deceptions. HuckleB Aug 2015 #121

Perhaps those DUers who have lost loved ones to GMO foods could weigh in? (nt) Nye Bevan Aug 2015 #140

Exactly WHO has "lost loved ones," and precisely HOW? Archae Aug 2015 #143

Well I keep reading here how horribly dangerous these "GMO foods" are. Nye Bevan Aug 2015 #145

I hope you're being sarcastic. Archae Aug 2015 #147

I'm still trying to figure out where all the bodies are buried Major Nikon Aug 2015 #146

How about GMO grass seed? My dad lived down the road from Scottslawn Lorien Aug 2015 #168

The reduction in the pirate population is causing global warming Major Nikon Aug 2015 #181

You are quite literally spouting bullshit, what GMO grass seed? Seriously, what the fuck are you... Humanist_Activist Aug 2015 #194

Just like Climate Change is pseudoscience. Dont call me Shirley Aug 2015 #142

Sure, except the scientific consensus goes the other way Major Nikon Aug 2015 #148

No, more like Climate Change "Skepticism" is pseudoscience. The reverse of your claim. n/t Humanist_Activist Aug 2015 #195

But poisoning the planet with toxic pesticides and herbicides required for gmos is A-okay?! Dont call me Shirley Aug 2015 #198

That doesn't require GMOs. jeff47 Aug 2015 #204

Yup. Look at the reality of Chipotle's non-GMO move. More you know what. HuckleB Aug 2015 #217

Uhm, that has nothing to do with GMOs, but rather industrial farming in general. Humanist_Activist Aug 2015 #209

It has everything to do with gmos. Dont call me Shirley Aug 2015 #213

No, it doesn't. You were shown reality, but you ignored it. Why? HuckleB Sep 2015 #258

GMOs have reduced pesticide use, and allowed for the use of less toxic herbicides. HuckleB Aug 2015 #216

These pesticide and herbicide dependent gmos are creating superweeds and superbugs. Dont call me Shirley Aug 2015 #218

Superweeds are fewer since GMOs were introduced. HuckleB Aug 2015 #220

This message was self-deleted by its author Dont call me Shirley Aug 2015 #221

So the data shows your claims to be false, and that's all you have to offer? HuckleB Aug 2015 #222

just in.... Dont call me Shirley Aug 2015 #223

Ah, Seralini in another pay for play journal and a post that is nothing but a distraction. HuckleB Aug 2015 #224

At least channeling Seralini validates the OP Major Nikon Sep 2015 #240

Indeed. HuckleB Sep 2015 #274

So... you're all fine and dandy with cross-pollination between organic and GMOs? sakabatou Aug 2015 #169

Bacteria that are modified to produce human insulin are also modified-- eridani Aug 2015 #171

THIS POST. YES I AM YELLING. LeftOfWest Aug 2015 #172

You realize that this doesn't actually work, right? jeff47 Aug 2015 #205

And they keep making changes to keep up with bacterial evolution eridani Sep 2015 #234

It's the exact same mechanism as antibiotic resistance. jeff47 Sep 2015 #246

So where are the insulin secreting bacteria in the wild? Evidence, please eridani Sep 2015 #256

If there's profit to be had they are fine with it - TBF Aug 2015 #174

Sure, because there's nothing more anti-democrat than agreeing with your government Major Nikon Aug 2015 #191

Not everyone wants your chemicals in their food - TBF Aug 2015 #199

I generally deal with it by not giving a day old dog shit Major Nikon Aug 2015 #201

There's also a big profit to be made by scaring you into buying more expensive crops. jeff47 Aug 2015 #206

Absolutely - TBF Aug 2015 #211

Yup. HuckleB Aug 2015 #215

Cross-pollination can happen with any type of crops. HuckleB Aug 2015 #175

Here's the really fun part Major Nikon Aug 2015 #180

Yup! Label the MBOs! NOW! HuckleB Aug 2015 #183

Yeah, except you never hear that rallying cry Major Nikon Aug 2015 #185

The anti-GMO movement is far more evil than anything they hope to prevent Major Nikon Aug 2015 #192

I would say most of them are just ignorant of biology, though its frustrating trying to debate... Humanist_Activist Aug 2015 #196

^^^THIS^^^ mike_c Aug 2015 #227

When someone throws around words like "poison", "toxic", and "cancer causing".... Major Nikon Sep 2015 #233

They are EXACTLY like climate change deniers. alarimer Aug 2015 #219

That which can be debunked should be Major Nikon Sep 2015 #232

Gluten-free GM wheat could help celiac patients HuckleB Aug 2015 #225

Good luck baking bread without gluten n/t eridani Sep 2015 #235

Per the article... Major Nikon Sep 2015 #242

+1,000,000 ... 000 HuckleB Sep 2015 #248

Still looks like a fucking brick eridani Sep 2015 #255

Oh, for Pete's sake. HuckleB Sep 2015 #257

Why don't you confess to postulating a silly solution in search of a problem? eridani Sep 2015 #259

In other words, honesty is not your thing. HuckleB Sep 2015 #260

I have already stated support of bacterial human insulin and golden rice eridani Sep 2015 #261

So what? HuckleB Sep 2015 #263

"Honest" = pro-corporate. I'll try to remember that eridani Sep 2015 #264

Nice confession! HuckleB Sep 2015 #265

Science is a systematic approach to knowledge that can be applied for just about anything eridani Sep 2015 #266

And you double down on the confession! Nicely done. HuckleB Sep 2015 #268

Oddly, when scientists are paid by corporations, their "impartial" findings-- eridani Sep 2015 #269

And now you go to the shilling scientists routine. HuckleB Sep 2015 #270

Like the EPA? eridani Sep 2015 #278

You actually posted that piece? It was debunked at DU, earlier today. HuckleB Sep 2015 #279

All science is political, period. There is no good reason for ramping up glyphosate at all eridani Sep 2015 #280

Uh, yeah, Benbrook. Been there, debunked that. HuckleB Sep 2015 #281

I didn't see any debunking of the increased use of glyphosate n/t eridani Sep 2015 #282

Ah, you respond with classic intellectual dishonesty. HuckleB Sep 2015 #283

Big ag happens to be highly inefficient eridani Sep 2015 #284

Oh, brother. HuckleB Sep 2015 #285

Requiring 100 calories or more of input for every calorie of output is just not efficient eridani Sep 2015 #286

You do realize that your claim is astoundingly false, right? HuckleB Sep 2015 #287

Let's see your link showing that we get more calories out ofhigh input farming eridani Sep 2015 #288

So you want me to disprove a claim you made that you can't prove? HuckleB Sep 2015 #289

Probably Scientific American isn't scientific enough for you, but anyway-- eridani Sep 2015 #290

Pollan is an anti-GMO quack. HuckleB Sep 2015 #291

The human body isn't a machine that runs on fossil fuel Major Nikon Sep 2015 #292

The food our bodies use is grown with huge fossil fuel input. eridani Sep 2015 #294

More like misleadingly huge when expressed in calories Major Nikon Sep 2015 #295

It is the exact same thing n.t eridani Sep 2015 #296

Sure. That's why when I full up my car at the gas pump the meter reads in calories. Major Nikon Sep 2015 #297

Chemists and physicists don't run gas stations. n/t eridani Sep 2015 #298

So that's why the meters don't read in calories, eh? Major Nikon Sep 2015 #299

This thread keeps getting bumped by posts I can't see. HuckleB Sep 2015 #245

REC! nt LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #267

The war against genetically modified organisms is full of fearmongering, errors, and fraud. HuckleB Sep 2015 #276

Seriously???? PatSeg Sep 2015 #293

Praise GMO's, especially if you love carcinogens in your food, air, and rainfall. L. Coyote Sep 2015 #300