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treestar

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184. Huh?

Sun Aug 30, 2015, 03:38 PM

Aug 2015

People misuse all kinds of things, but guns are of greater concern. Horrifying is your acceptance of Newtown. Doing something about that wouldn't be fair to you? Good grief.

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It is time to unfuck America. [View all] sheshe2 Aug 2015 OP

K&R ismnotwasm Aug 2015 #1

This morning there was a post okasha Aug 2015 #2

Start by getting them off the police force. nt JEB Aug 2015 #7

okasha sheshe2 Aug 2015 #25

I'm so sorry your dad had such a devastating illness. okasha Aug 2015 #29

Thank you okasha. sheshe2 Aug 2015 #134

Yet 99.9% of firearms will never be used in a crime, GGJohn Aug 2015 #3

Inconvenient facts, those. beevul Aug 2015 #4

Jury results. beevul Aug 2015 #59

Thanks for the results. GGJohn Aug 2015 #69

Funny thing about that. beevul Aug 2015 #71

Yep, funny thing about that, GGJohn Aug 2015 #75

So the alerter DashOneBravo Aug 2015 #157

Pretty sure now who the alerter is. GGJohn Aug 2015 #188

I think you are partially correct, but there is either a partner in crime or a sock in this as well. beevul Aug 2015 #189

I think you're correct. GGJohn Aug 2015 #190

Do me a favor. beevul Aug 2015 #192

I was sent a PM, I won't post by who, but I'll post everything else. GGJohn Aug 2015 #193

Both alerts, word for word exactly alike. GGJohn Aug 2015 #194

Basically impossible... beevul Aug 2015 #195

Let me PM the person who originally sent me the results GGJohn Aug 2015 #197

Ok, I reached out to the person and they responded with the complete alert. GGJohn Aug 2015 #198

Do you have actual stats for that? sheshe2 Aug 2015 #5

Considering that there are 300 million+ firearms in this country, GGJohn Aug 2015 #8

Dead Is Dead - Matters Not The Statistics cantbeserious Aug 2015 #104

The statistics do matter, despite what you may think. GGJohn Aug 2015 #106

Dead Is Dead - Matters Not The Statistics cantbeserious Aug 2015 #107

Your needle is stuck, you keep repeating the same slogan. eom. GGJohn Aug 2015 #109

Dead Is Dead - Matters Not The Statistics - Dead Is Dead cantbeserious Aug 2015 #110

Give your head a bump, that should fix the problem. eom. GGJohn Aug 2015 #112

Matters Not The Statistics - Dead Is Dead cantbeserious Aug 2015 #114

Nothing intelligent to say? GGJohn Aug 2015 #115

Intelligence Provided - Multiple Times - Dead Is Dead - Matters Not The Statistics cantbeserious Aug 2015 #116

Uh huh. GGJohn Aug 2015 #117

I Do So Say - Dead Is Dead - Matters Not The Statistics cantbeserious Aug 2015 #118

You can do the math for yourself.. X_Digger Aug 2015 #10

Keeping a gun in the home is not a very "responsible" thing to do. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #6

That's bullshit, GGJohn Aug 2015 #9

It's a stupid personal choice. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #11

Number 1. GGJohn Aug 2015 #12

Try taking up fishing with your lovely wife. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #13

We already do fish, GGJohn Aug 2015 #14

Good. If you have cattle and hogs then you don't need to hunt. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #15

We eat a lot of fish, GGJohn Aug 2015 #16

I cook trout the same way! Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #19

Those women in the Women�s Shelter need to have the guns taken from their abusive ex. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #20

You and I wholeheartedly agree on that. GGJohn Aug 2015 #22

With all due respect, I don't think you understand how statistical probability works. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #18

GGJohn is an anonymous poster on the internet. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #21

Mansplaining? That would be some trick... Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #23

Well, obviously you don't need to be a man to explain something in a condescending way. nt SunSeeker Aug 2015 #27

pot.kettle.black Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #31

Gun ownership is stupid and irresponsible. It is a statistical fact. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #37

No, it's not. GGJohn Aug 2015 #46

Guns are deadly toys for the obsessed who horde them. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #50

Well, in my home, the statistics are wrong. eom. GGJohn Aug 2015 #68

While you may not consider it a toy, others do. progressoid Aug 2015 #91

Well then, he's a freakin idiot and the type of person I wouldn't want to be around GGJohn Aug 2015 #93

Yes, he is a freakin' idiot. progressoid Aug 2015 #96

Wow. Poster points the 'mansplaining' finger, at a woman. beevul Aug 2015 #32

Apparently, that was "condescending." Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #35

The eye of the beholder is very selective, in certain people... beevul Aug 2015 #38

Truth. As this subthread illustrates. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #41

When you start a sentence "With all due respect," everyone knows no respect is involved. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #43

Ah, and now an accusation of disingenuousness! Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #47

You haven't disputed any of the statistics I cited. All you do is attack me. nt SunSeeker Aug 2015 #49

RIF. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #52

It's a MAD, MAD WORLD!!!!!! lol EX500rider Aug 2015 #53

GGJohn is an anonymous poster on the internet. GGJohn Aug 2015 #24

The clinically depressed love and value life as well LuvLoogie Aug 2015 #28

I can only go by our beliefs, GGJohn Aug 2015 #30

Well congratulations and be well. LuvLoogie Aug 2015 #33

Thank you GGJohn Aug 2015 #34

This isn't just about you. Your guns are a danger to everyone in your household. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #42

The only people in our household are my wife and myself, GGJohn Aug 2015 #45

And a neighbor of ours killed... meaculpa2011 Aug 2015 #51

Over 20,000 Americans commit suicide with guns each year. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #90

Do you have evidence that those suicides would not have happened without firearms. branford Aug 2015 #99

Yes. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #123

Kindly explain why suicide rates in the rest of the developed world branford Aug 2015 #127

Israel proved that if you remove the gun from the home, suicides decrease. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #135

The study does not prove what you allege. branford Aug 2015 #149

Sadly, thanks to the NRA, there haven't been much US gun violence studies since 1996. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #154

Sadly, thanks to the NRA, there haven't been much US gun violence studies since 1996. GGJohn Aug 2015 #159

Thanks to President Obama they did one sarisataka Aug 2015 #160

It would seem so. GGJohn Aug 2015 #161

Do you have a link to it that is not a right wing site? nt SunSeeker Aug 2015 #162

I gave it to you before sarisataka Aug 2015 #164

What did it conclude about suicide? SunSeeker Aug 2015 #166

Exactly, it is not a conclusive report sarisataka Aug 2015 #169

Then you misrepresented the report. It was not research. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #171

I never said sarisataka Aug 2015 #172

OFFS. That is ridiculous. I know exactly what you said. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #175

It did address suicide sarisataka Aug 2015 #177

It does not. You lied and have the nerve to insult me. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #186

Lots of false accusations sarisataka Aug 2015 #187

And CDC never got that $10 million to do the research. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #173

I'm not afraid of the CDC sarisataka Aug 2015 #174

Did it study gun suicides? Got a link that isn't a right wing site? nt SunSeeker Aug 2015 #163

No it hasn't. What actual research has been done? nt SunSeeker Aug 2015 #167

Once there is no gun, killing yourself or others becomes harder treestar Aug 2015 #182

Really? GGJohn Aug 2015 #191

you really don't see the difference? treestar Aug 2015 #199

Then why does Japan have a higher suicide rate than the US? GGJohn Aug 2015 #200

Out of 80-100 million people who own guns, 20ish thousand take their own lives on impulse. beevul Aug 2015 #84

20,000 deaths each year is statistically significant. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #92

While those deaths are tragic due to the state of our mental health system, GGJohn Aug 2015 #95

Those deaths are due to the easy availability of guns, not mental illness. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #97

No, it's not. GGJohn Aug 2015 #98

See my post #123 above. nt SunSeeker Aug 2015 #125

In itself by itself, yes it is... beevul Aug 2015 #176

.1% can do a lot of damage treestar Aug 2015 #62

So are alot of objects, yet GGJohn Aug 2015 #70

What objects ? treestar Aug 2015 #73

Oh, let's see here, GGJohn Aug 2015 #74

Autos are used for transportation treestar Aug 2015 #79

I thought the overriding issues was how many people are killed hack89 Aug 2015 #80

how are auto deaths to be avoided? treestar Aug 2015 #85

Oh, ok then, GGJohn Aug 2015 #81

Which is not the issue as you know treestar Aug 2015 #86

So, again, GGJohn Aug 2015 #87

Everyone who dies is treestar Aug 2015 #88

Who's Gina? GGJohn Aug 2015 #89

Yes, guns can indeed kill people and animals, besides use in sport. branford Aug 2015 #103

By your logic there should be no breathalyzers treestar Aug 2015 #180

Even more horrifying... beevul Aug 2015 #183

Huh? treestar Aug 2015 #184

Keep your words out of my mouth, thanks. beevul Aug 2015 #185

KnR Yeah, that American exceptionalism. There is a streak of madness in our society. nt Hekate Aug 2015 #17

Indeed it is. malokvale77 Aug 2015 #26

The best outcome for gun ownership is you'll never use it. Juicy_Bellows Aug 2015 #36

A very good point regarding using lethal force. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #39

Thank you. Juicy_Bellows Aug 2015 #40

Indeed. And get rid of the death penalty too n/t eridani Aug 2015 #44

a good topic for discussion. I think a start would be to not allow to leave a gun unattended in cars Sunlei Aug 2015 #48

Over all the US rate is at the low end of the scale: EX500rider Aug 2015 #54

Sure, compared with 3rd world countries that are have genocidal wars and revolutions ThoughtCriminal Aug 2015 #55

We are better than Uganda what a win for America Exultant Democracy Aug 2015 #56

Low end looks more like middle, and only compared to totally barbaric areas doesn't solve issues nightscanner59 Aug 2015 #57

"Murder rate in U.S. hovers at 10 per 100,000" EX500rider Aug 2015 #58

The OP chart sarisataka Aug 2015 #60

Where do you get 10 per 100,000? Statistical Aug 2015 #65

PEW Research: Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware NickB79 Aug 2015 #61

There has been one mass shooting each day this year Gothmog Aug 2015 #63

Those murdered one at a time are neither less dead nor happier discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2015 #83

"We're number one!!" smirkymonkey Aug 2015 #64

I think a lot about the shit that goes on Quayblue Aug 2015 #66

I would be very curious to know how many "pro lifers" own guns . Initech Aug 2015 #67

Gun nuts won't like this but more guns=more gun deaths. Period. alarimer Aug 2015 #72

Not according to the FBI's UCR, GGJohn Aug 2015 #76

Not true.. The percentage of households with guns has not "greatly increased." SunSeeker Aug 2015 #100

No poll can prove that households with firearms has gone down, GGJohn Aug 2015 #101

Riiiight. Polls lie. Except when they agree with you. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #102

Aren't you doing the same thing? GGJohn Aug 2015 #105

Nope. You have cited no polls/links re "dramatically increased." SunSeeker Aug 2015 #108

Fair enough. GGJohn Aug 2015 #111

This does not say gun ownership in the US has "increased dramatically." It is not even a poll. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #119

It still proves that firearm ownership is increasing in the country, GGJohn Aug 2015 #121

No, it doesn't. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #126

Since you're so stuck on polls, here's one. GGJohn Aug 2015 #130

I am not advocating banning all guns. This chart has nothing to do with gun ownership rates. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #133

Speaking of the CDC sarisataka Aug 2015 #139

That has nothing to do with the CDC; it says there is disagreement as to defensive use numbers. nt SunSeeker Aug 2015 #143

You're the one who brought up the subject of the CDC and how the NRA GGJohn Aug 2015 #146

Didn't follow the link, sarisataka Aug 2015 #147

Another false statement. GGJohn Aug 2015 #140

Nope, the CDC is not "free" to do studies on gun violence. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #151

Bullshit GGJohn Aug 2015 #155

So cite to all this post-1996 CDC research. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #170

The article cites nothing but gun control advocates branford Aug 2015 #156

So what research has the CDC done since 1996? SunSeeker Aug 2015 #168

There are unquestionably more guns in the US now. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #137

Great post. GGJohn Aug 2015 #142

We have cut our murder rate in half over the past 20 years hack89 Aug 2015 #94

Our gun death numbers have not been cut in half. Suicides, if anything, have gone up. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #113

"Statistically insignificant" does not mean the deaths are not tragic, branford Aug 2015 #120

See my post #123 in this thread. nt SunSeeker Aug 2015 #128

It doesn't even begin to explain why suicide rates in other comparable developed countries branford Aug 2015 #129

You left the part out where I said that those deaths are tragic. GGJohn Aug 2015 #122

If you thought they were tragic, you would want to do something about them. nt SunSeeker Aug 2015 #124

I already put forth a reasonable solution, GGJohn Aug 2015 #150

In what post #? SunSeeker Aug 2015 #152

This one. GGJohn Aug 2015 #158

Those are all great gun control ideas, but most suicides are not people adjudged mentally ill. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #165

That's a reasonable idea I could get on board with. eom. GGJohn Aug 2015 #179

So did suicides go up in direct proportion the number of guns? hack89 Aug 2015 #131

It appears so. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #136

So the Great Recession had nothing to do with it? hack89 Aug 2015 #178

Possibly...but the previous spike also includes a recession that hasn't truly ended for most. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #148

And all people who died in auto accidents are "just as dead." treestar Aug 2015 #181

K & R! Very, very good post PatrickforO Aug 2015 #77

Last night a deputy was pumping gas into his partol car, was shot from behind in the head, Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #78

The suspected shooter had a lengthy (and serious) police record. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #144

K&R Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #82

K&R betsuni Aug 2015 #132

K&R... spanone Aug 2015 #138

Doesn't this tiresome discussion belong in the Gun Dungeon? Lydia Leftcoast Aug 2015 #141

The prohibition on gun discussions in GD is a bit of a joke. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #145

It likely does sarisataka Aug 2015 #153

" . . . scaredy-cats who wanted to look like lions." Major Hogwash Aug 2015 #196

Name change needed to Gunited States of America. nt valerief Aug 2015 #201

We avail ourselves too much of Stalin's axiom... LanternWaste Aug 2015 #202