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jberryhill

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183. Yes, but it takes a certain amount of effort to maintain our national position

Mon Aug 31, 2015, 01:28 PM

Aug 2015

It is no secret that the US consumes an inordinate share of world resources.

Going forward, we either accept that as the way things should be, and do what is necessary to maintain that imbalance, or not.

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] Recursion Aug 2015 OP

How can 75% be 1%? The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2015 #1

75% of 350 million can easily be 1% of 7 billion Recursion Aug 2015 #2

Here we go again ... TBF Aug 2015 #7

Yes, we pretty much all agree the 1% need to give up something to help out the 99%, right? Recursion Aug 2015 #8

Well, no. 1% is easy to say and remember, but the reality is that the vast majority of the Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2015 #194

Well, hell: welcome to the club, then Recursion Aug 2015 #196

I'm still not in that club. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2015 #208

I get that, but when we discuss US politics The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2015 #11

How do you react when a person in Beverly Hills says "$500K isn't much here"? Recursion Aug 2015 #13

The difference is that the person in Beverly Hills is living in the US, The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2015 #23

You may be; I never was Recursion Aug 2015 #26

Because the discussion on DU is mainly about US politics, and whether The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2015 #34

My reaction is that they've chosen to live in a very expensive place, SheilaT Aug 2015 #27

that's simply false. cali Aug 2015 #109

What is? (nt) Recursion Aug 2015 #113

Actually it can't tkmorris Aug 2015 #40

Hey, if we factor potential extraterrestrial beings we might even be it the 0.01 or 0.001% whatchamacallit Aug 2015 #42

1% of 7B is 70M. 75% of 350M is 262.5M. You can't fit 262.5M into 70M. DanTex Aug 2015 #187

It's 312 and 7.2, first off Recursion Aug 2015 #190

60% of the US cannot possibly be in the global 1%. It's a mathematical impossibility. DanTex Aug 2015 #198

The entire US population fits in about the top 12% of the world income distribution Recursion Aug 2015 #207

I'm not doing any special pleading, I'm just doing simple math. DanTex Aug 2015 #212

So take your numbers, which sound like the IMF's Recursion Aug 2015 #216

Don't worry, one day you will learn how to admit to being wrong and making mistakes. Rex Aug 2015 #219

75% of Americans are in the top *14%*; the global top 1% holds the top 12% of the USA muriel_volestrangler Aug 2015 #233

I don't have numbers, but I highly doubt that 75% of Americans are in the top 5%. DanTex Aug 2015 #234

LOL! Do you expect some kind of epiphany from the OP? Rex Aug 2015 #214

Are you suggesting that it's only valid to look at global figures? Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #3

Are Nigerians and Bangladeshis somehow not people? Recursion Aug 2015 #5

Wow. Where on EARTH did you get that from my post? Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #33

"There are times when a global approach is called for and there are times when it is not." Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #6

As I mention is my Reply to Recursion... Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #39

An increase in the Federal minimum wage would increase global inequality Recursion Aug 2015 #66

"global 1% line" Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #119

Well, welcome aboard: "The 1%" is a nearly meaningless concept Recursion Aug 2015 #122

Not when comparing apples to apples, it isn't. (nt) Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #125

So we should only look at wages globally and not the cost of living globally that people face? cascadiance Aug 2015 #137

Honest answer. Americans can only control U.S. policy regarding income. Yavin4 Aug 2015 #166

Yes, but it takes a certain amount of effort to maintain our national position jberryhill Aug 2015 #183

Our consumption of resources does not equate to impoverishing populations overseas. Yavin4 Aug 2015 #188

How does it not? Recursion Aug 2015 #211

I suppose next you'll be telling us we should be satisfied with frozen tortellini. nt Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #4

LOL Bettie Aug 2015 #16

Now THAT'S really funny! WillowTree Aug 2015 #52

Heh angel823 Aug 2015 #83

*snort* Recursion Aug 2015 #102

I like tortellini 6chars Aug 2015 #229

Well it's all relative lunatica Aug 2015 #9

You know how we tell rich Americans that sharing the wealth is ultimately to their advantage? Recursion Aug 2015 #14

That was what I'm trying to say. lunatica Aug 2015 #35

You know how we share the wealth with countries with poorer people? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2015 #205

Yeah, that's been the history so far Recursion Aug 2015 #210

So what's their average wage compared to ours? nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2015 #217

Last I saw roughly a quarter nominally, or a half by PPP Recursion Aug 2015 #220

So they need to double again still. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2015 #223

They do; they probably will Recursion Aug 2015 #227

The vast majority of Americans comprise America's 1%. Fuzzy math? merrily Aug 2015 #10

No. The vast majority of Americans comprise *the 1%*. The global 1%. Recursion Aug 2015 #12

Yet, you know most references on DU to the 99% are to America's 99%. merrily Aug 2015 #17

Why should they do that? Beverly Hills people only compare themselves to other Beverly Hills people Recursion Aug 2015 #20

Same way I reacted when a poster said $250K a year was not really that much. merrily Aug 2015 #168

I tell him to move out here to Ohio. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2015 #209

We do give up wealth ohheckyeah Aug 2015 #172

So, what is your point? Bettie Aug 2015 #15

Why not the worldwide economy? Recursion Aug 2015 #18

"Can you see that you're doing that too?" Bullshit. You have no idea what I am doing. merrily Aug 2015 #22

Most of my income, in this week's case, but that's not important Recursion Aug 2015 #24

" Do you believe the 1% should give up some wealth to support the 99%, or not?" merrily Aug 2015 #31

So, every discussion must Bettie Aug 2015 #32

No solution. The goal is to just get people to shut up and support free trade. jeff47 Aug 2015 #63

OK. Bettie Aug 2015 #74

Well, no, I'm pretty pessimistic about the TPP Recursion Aug 2015 #115

Except you've spent months arguing the TPP is needed to help the world's poor. (nt) jeff47 Aug 2015 #145

Nope Recursion Aug 2015 #150

You know, memory loss is a serious medical condition. You should get that looked at. (nt) jeff47 Aug 2015 #155

Indeed you should. I've never once said I support the TPP Recursion Aug 2015 #160

Ahhh. It all makes sense now. Arugula Latte Aug 2015 #200

Free trade is what keeps the third world mired in poverty. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2015 #215

The poster seems to be angriest with US populists. merrily Aug 2015 #19

I'm honestly confused here Bettie Aug 2015 #36

About what? Recursion Aug 2015 #60

No longer confused Bettie Aug 2015 #88

The poster is a major fan of free trade agreements. So US populists are a problem. jeff47 Aug 2015 #69

I read recently on DU that referring to someone as a Third Wayer is name calling, much merrily Aug 2015 #80

What has lifted them up? Most of the global income gains have gone to the poorest 75% pampango Aug 2015 #226

Semantics tkmorris Aug 2015 #21

No, no, no, 1000 times no. You are 100% wrong there. Recursion Aug 2015 #29

No they really aren't tkmorris Aug 2015 #44

So the FAR HIGHER cost of living we face that REQUIRES higher wages to live where we live... cascadiance Aug 2015 #144

"The actions of middle class Americans are exactly as callous and exploitative..." - here is where jonno99 Aug 2015 #173

"liable to make most objective listeners question your motivation" His posting history merrily Aug 2015 #104

Sounds like you are trying to diminish the injustice perpetrated against the many in this country Facility Inspector Aug 2015 #25

We are *ALL OLIGARCHS* Recursion Aug 2015 #30

OK. So What's your solution? The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2015 #37

The solution is for the 1% to give up some wealth to the 99% (nt) Recursion Aug 2015 #45

And how would suggest this be done? The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2015 #54

Well taxation and redistribution is a pretty time-honored way Recursion Aug 2015 #57

And you'd like to start at the bottom of that 1%. (nt) jeff47 Aug 2015 #64

Me? No. I'd rather start way the hell up at the top Recursion Aug 2015 #71

Except the policies you explicitly support start at the bottom of that 1%, and jeff47 Aug 2015 #73

Which policies are those? Recursion Aug 2015 #97

The ones you actually argue for over and over again, instead of the ones you make up now jeff47 Aug 2015 #142

I am confused, this person said he has NEVER supported TPP or spoken in favor of free randys1 Aug 2015 #170

Why can't you do a search? merrily Aug 2015 #182

I thought you had to be a paid member to search randys1 Aug 2015 #218

No, just search my username and TPP Recursion Aug 2015 #232

Free trade is bullshit, it ALWAYS means more money for those at the top and less for randys1 Aug 2015 #239

I was not aware of that. Advanced search never worked for me anyway. merrily Aug 2015 #237

Oh.. if randys1 is on mobile he won't see the search box Recursion Aug 2015 #240

I am all in favor of offering more foreign aid to poorer countries. The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2015 #92

Me too. That's one great way for the 1% to give up some money for the 99% Recursion Aug 2015 #95

wow Facility Inspector Aug 2015 #48

The oligarch and wealth inequality jeepers Aug 2015 #76

^^ That Recursion Aug 2015 #99

No, we are still slaves of the oligarchs PowerToThePeople Aug 2015 #138

Such bullshit to equate Gates and a fast food worker or a WalMart checker on SNAP and Medicaid. merrily Aug 2015 #175

Seriously? Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #231

That is exactly what the poster is doing, but that is their entire act and show all in one. Rex Aug 2015 #133

IN AMERICA- a significant number of the "1%" are people who work hard and EARN their paychecks... KittyWampus Aug 2015 #28

And I am sick of disingenuous arguments. $25,000 is WORTH a lot more in some places and stillwaiting Aug 2015 #38

No, that's $25K by purchasing power parity Recursion Aug 2015 #47

I'm going to need a link for that claim. stillwaiting Aug 2015 #51

Meh, the TPP is at best a band-aid Recursion Aug 2015 #53

Purchasing power parity, $25,000 = the top 1%. I've never seen anything regarding that. nt stillwaiting Aug 2015 #55

World Bank is probably the best source for that Recursion Aug 2015 #58

Your link requires a subscription. I can't access it. stillwaiting Aug 2015 #62

It is. Just google "global 1% income level" (nt) Recursion Aug 2015 #65

I'm not finding information that breaks it down by cost of living. stillwaiting Aug 2015 #85

Add "PPP" to your search term Recursion Aug 2015 #108

Unnnnn, I'm not seeing where US PPP is way above all othes at 25k, there are few places a SINGLE... uponit7771 Aug 2015 #222

Well I agree PPP also has problems Recursion Aug 2015 #225

I don't think the OP has the ability of typing anything but disingenous OPs. Rex Aug 2015 #139

''Sanctimonious.'' Project much? Octafish Aug 2015 #41

Oh, hey, we are in agreement on something. Tell Satan to order a space heater. Recursion Aug 2015 #59

Funny thing, the OP is in India and never talks about how bad the caste system is. Rex Aug 2015 #118

Do you just lie for fun? Recursion Aug 2015 #197

You do it all the time, your OP is a lie and you had to edit just to make it look less like one. Rex Aug 2015 #199

Last response to you without apologizing for that lie Recursion Aug 2015 #204

So you won't apologize for lying in your OP? Rex Aug 2015 #206

In general, people don't like to put their life in too much perspective mythology Aug 2015 #43

And yet you live in India while drawing US salaries one for you and a larger one for your wife. Bluenorthwest Aug 2015 #46

I do Recursion Aug 2015 #50

What a nasty response. And I did not speak of local currency but of local pay rates. Your household Bluenorthwest Aug 2015 #70

What a nasty three years you've spent stalking every post I made Recursion Aug 2015 #77

And yet you are married to your wife who gets paid by US rates. You keep spewing shit at me Bluenorthwest Aug 2015 #90

I *never* "spew shit" at you Recursion Aug 2015 #93

You never "spew shit"? GummyBearz Aug 2015 #147

A. I did not mention that fucking article, you did. B. You keep claiming your household is not paid Bluenorthwest Aug 2015 #163

+1 demmiblue Aug 2015 #185

That shopping trip was $70 total Recursion Aug 2015 #201

How far would $70 go in a poor household in India? n/t demmiblue Aug 2015 #228

It's about two weeks salary at the median wage here, why? (nt) Recursion Aug 2015 #230

The rupee thing didn't fake you out? merrily Aug 2015 #136

I have to admit, Recursion, one doesn't often see your argument on liberal message boards. Scootaloo Aug 2015 #49

So, as I keep asking, how do you respond when a person in Beverly Hills says $500K isn't "rich"? Recursion Aug 2015 #56

Until you resolve the income inequality in this country..... virtualobserver Aug 2015 #78

Reading this thread shows me this question has been ably answered multiple times Scootaloo Aug 2015 #79

The only argument in the OP seems to be that US populists are sanctimonious. merrily Aug 2015 #158

All we need to do is find the person who's the worst-off in the world Orrex Aug 2015 #61

As I mentioned elsewhere in this thread, this discussion reminds me The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2015 #100

Totally right-wing. demmiblue Aug 2015 #112

I'm tired of sanctimonious people pretending the US is a third world country. GeorgeGist Aug 2015 #67

Well we definitely have the population of one Recursion Aug 2015 #68

What a crock of shit PowerToThePeople Aug 2015 #72

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2015 #75

That comparison is by purchasing power parity Recursion Aug 2015 #81

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2015 #89

I don't know but my guess is that it's kind of a visual pun on Obama's Shepard Fairey logo Recursion Aug 2015 #98

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2015 #123

YOU are the damned logically challenged. ALWAYS this. HughBeaumont Aug 2015 #82

Not a bad rant. malthaussen Aug 2015 #91

As is? It doesn't. HughBeaumont Aug 2015 #148

I think the problem is schadenfreude. malthaussen Aug 2015 #171

Net wealth not income determines if you are a 1 percenter. WDIM Aug 2015 #84

I think you are having an episode of guilt complex. demmiblue Aug 2015 #86

No, he's having an episode of "I want more free trade agreements jeff47 Aug 2015 #96

Screw your hair shirt politics. Many of us live month to month. Throd Aug 2015 #87

The "one percent" terminology rose in popularity during the Occupy movement, which of course had its Brickbat Aug 2015 #94

Recursion... Rex Aug 2015 #101

Yes, Rex? (nt) Recursion Aug 2015 #103

. Rex Aug 2015 #106

People actually rec'd this. True, not many, but still. SMH. nt merrily Aug 2015 #105

Sad ain't it? Rex Aug 2015 #110

And, of course, this post has nothing to do with the primaries. merrily Aug 2015 #116

No, it really doesn't. To my knowledge neither Clinton, Sanders, O'Malley, Webb, or Chafee address Recursion Aug 2015 #120

Of course not. None of your anti-populist posts have a thing to do with the primary. merrily Aug 2015 #128

Basically, yes: my main concerns will be equally unmet by all candidates Recursion Aug 2015 #131

Your incessant bashing of those on this board who refer to the 99% or self identify as populist is merrily Aug 2015 #141

Well I would say the OP is nervous about the election Rex Aug 2015 #121

"Nervous"? I am pretty confident my preferred candidate is going to lose Recursion Aug 2015 #124

They probably never had any true hardship in their lives. demmiblue Aug 2015 #129

Yeah, that must be it (nt) Recursion Aug 2015 #152

+1 demmiblue Aug 2015 #157

I'd guess that who they plan to vote for in the primaries has merrily Aug 2015 #203

I feel your pain. malthaussen Aug 2015 #107

Explain the paradox then Recursion Aug 2015 #111

Careful, now, I have never taken a position on Beverly Hills lawyers. malthaussen Aug 2015 #146

As tkmorris points out in #40, your numbers can't work out muriel_volestrangler Aug 2015 #114

There's a lot of different ways to count it; I'm using the World Bank Recursion Aug 2015 #117

I've never used "the 1%" or heard anyone else say it in the context of anything BUT within the US RiverLover Aug 2015 #130

I agree, you chose to hear that phrase very selectively, and the branding of the movement Recursion Aug 2015 #132

"Chose to hear that phrase very selectively" my ass. merrily Aug 2015 #167

And CNN was quoting a World Bank economist muriel_volestrangler Aug 2015 #135

Our 1% lives in gated, walled communities. Trump's vision is America behind walls, gates & tariffs pampango Aug 2015 #126

America is a gated, walled community (nt) Recursion Aug 2015 #127

Not nearly to the degree it was before FDR opened trade and JFK/LBJ opened immigration. pampango Aug 2015 #180

When a centrist claims to want to redistribute the US's wealth to the world... DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2015 #134

They're deeply concerned about issues of poverty... in lucrative outsourcing locations. /nt Marr Aug 2015 #189

globalists DustyJoe Aug 2015 #140

I agree. hunter Aug 2015 #142

money DustyJoe Aug 2015 #164

Did I say that? hunter Aug 2015 #213

+1000000000000000000000 randys1 Aug 2015 #238

Having low income or no income does not always mean WDIM Aug 2015 #149

There's a piece I now can't find Recursion Aug 2015 #156

While some of the issues H2O Man Aug 2015 #151

It's my fault Recursion Aug 2015 #153

This message was self-deleted by its author merrily Aug 2015 #161

Concern trolling about something that is not true is all the OP wanted. Rex Aug 2015 #154

The opening post did not raise issues, but insults. merrily Aug 2015 #165

Right. H2O Man Aug 2015 #169

Maybe it is doing exactly what it was meant to do. merrily Aug 2015 #177

America is spreading the wealth untrue Aug 2015 #159

Workers? Kind a slip of the tounge yeah? You mean factory owners right? Rex Aug 2015 #162

I get that. untrue Aug 2015 #178

Oh ha! Rex Aug 2015 #224

How is this any different in nature from Fox News's "scold the poor" approach, bullwinkle428 Aug 2015 #174

IT is exactly what Foxnews does about poor people owning refrigerators. Rex Aug 2015 #176

It's different because the numbers in the OP are more obviously wrong than Fox News muriel_volestrangler Aug 2015 #186

So what is your point? davekriss Aug 2015 #179

lol, right. "Free trade" is about helping poor people. Marr Aug 2015 #181

The holier-than-thou poutrage accompanying the OP was a nice touch though. Arugula Latte Aug 2015 #202

That doesn't add up. DanTex Aug 2015 #184

I think the 1% is a confusing concept booksandpencils Aug 2015 #191

The richest 1% of India is about 12 million people Recursion Aug 2015 #195

If that's the cutoff, then no I'm not, so meh to you. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2015 #192

While true, this argument is also used to quell criticism of wealth inequality, Oneironaut Aug 2015 #193

Nope. Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #221

So this is now the new Hillary campaign slogan? "We ARE the 1%" 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #235

No, all the candidates fail to address this more or less equally Recursion Aug 2015 #236

Oh good goddamn. Hissyspit Aug 2015 #241