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NutmegYankee

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68. I know it's not a "law".

Mon Aug 31, 2015, 01:33 PM

Aug 2015

It is an amusing thing to observe though.

I think I'm shocked people here don't remember the early years of this website. We were in constant fear the RW was going to start passing laws against us. I guess that was the era of Phil Gramm's "We're going to keep building the party until we're hunting Democrats with dogs." Now the RW is even more insane and nefarious. Once we weaken a civil liberty, who knows where it can go.

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25 Indicted for posts on far-right Stormfront website [View all] Sunlei Aug 2015 OP

Just out of curiosity, was Trump's name on that list? world wide wally Aug 2015 #1

If it was, you can bet that Walker's and Christie's names will be on there tomorrow. Still In Wisconsin Aug 2015 #16

A sensible hate crime law that purposely, clearly and enforceably defines and restricts violent hate speech, as most modern nations do. Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #2

You mean like Silvio Berlusconi? House of Roberts Aug 2015 #3

So what you're saying is you oppose the First Amendment? NutmegYankee Aug 2015 #4

I said what I said. Hate crime laws are restrictions on free speech freely chosen by the freely elected Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #6

This is because you foolishly believe you will always be on the winning side. NutmegYankee Aug 2015 #8

Do you actually know what hate speech laws prohibit? NuclearDem Aug 2015 #9

Typically religious or racial bigotry. NutmegYankee Aug 2015 #11

Yet, France, Germany, Italy, and the UK aren't Orwellian totalitarian hellholes. NuclearDem Aug 2015 #13

you are free to leave at any time. NutmegYankee Aug 2015 #15

"Uphold the Constitution" doesn't mean keep it as it was in the 18th century. NuclearDem Aug 2015 #21

What you mention are intentional acts, not speech. NutmegYankee Aug 2015 #56

You need to brush up on your constitutional history. NuclearDem Aug 2015 #63

You just reiterated my previous comments. NutmegYankee Aug 2015 #64

Except for the part about child pornography being a speech issue NuclearDem Aug 2015 #65

The court held that child pornography was the intrinisic outcome of an illegal act (sexual abuse). NutmegYankee Aug 2015 #66

And we ain't any of those countries. GGJohn Aug 2015 #17

How about Malaysia? lumberjack_jeff Aug 2015 #25

Pretty much anything they want dumbcat Aug 2015 #22

Are guns members of a sexual orientation, race, ethnicity, gender, or nationality? NuclearDem Aug 2015 #24

No, so what? dumbcat Aug 2015 #27

We already have restrictions on speech coexisting with the First Amendment. NuclearDem Aug 2015 #32

"samesex marriage has been legalized, and yet I still can't marry my dog." cleanhippie Aug 2015 #40

It was an awkwardly worded comment about slippery slope fallacies. NuclearDem Aug 2015 #55

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service Capt. Obvious Aug 2015 #42

Are you and your dog the same sex? Elmer S. E. Dump Aug 2015 #51

Easy. Make Christians a "protected" group. Prosecute anyone who uses "hate speech" against them. Oneironaut Aug 2015 #85

Countries with hate speech laws deal with cases like those as a matter of course. NuclearDem Aug 2015 #92

police don't seem to pay attention to 'freedom of speech' when they bust out on 'mouthy' people. Sunlei Aug 2015 #33

- L0oniX Aug 2015 #38

Post removed Post removed Aug 2015 #12

Canada seems to have done better on several citizens 'basic rights' For example, Sunlei Aug 2015 #23

That doesn't change the fact that he, as a Canadian citizen, GGJohn Aug 2015 #26

Sure he can comment and have a say. I think the USA can use some help from Canada on how to Sunlei Aug 2015 #29

He can comment all he wants, GGJohn Aug 2015 #31

this is kind of weird but even the stormfront website restricts the use of word nigger Sunlei Aug 2015 #35

Results, 2-5 leave Lancero Aug 2015 #50

Jury results. 4 to 3 to LEAVE IT. merrily Aug 2015 #43

Excuse, me. What is a BoR? thx! n/t Elmer S. E. Dump Aug 2015 #44

Bill of Rights, I think (nt) Babel_17 Aug 2015 #47

Given the context, the the poster seems to mean that Canadians get no vote on our Bill of Rights. merrily Aug 2015 #49

Was that 3 or 4 alerts because you had the "nerve" to post that a Canadian merrily Aug 2015 #52

Well it's a good thing he posted it, because no one realized that before. kcr Aug 2015 #79

I wonder how he knew, then? merrily Aug 2015 #82

Yes ...Hitler has a right to free speech. L0oniX Aug 2015 #37

Godwin. NutmegYankee Aug 2015 #57

- L0oniX Aug 2015 #59

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Sorry you missed it. Hilter would have the right to free speech in this country. L0oniX Aug 2015 #61

Read National Socialist Party of America v. Village of Skokie, 432 U.S. 43 (1977), branford Aug 2015 #91

Psst. Godwin's Law was something made up to see how fast it would spread. merrily Aug 2015 #67

I know it's not a "law". NutmegYankee Aug 2015 #68

I find citing of Godwin's law, as thought it means something, potentially dangerous. merrily Aug 2015 #69

The Supreme Court has often been deferential to police to the point of ridiculousness. NutmegYankee Aug 2015 #71

I disagree with some of the First Amendment decisions of the SCOTUS. However, the rights do merrily Aug 2015 #73

They just get weaker until they protect almost nothing. NutmegYankee Aug 2015 #75

The 4th has scared the crap out of judges since 9-11. merrily Aug 2015 #76

Here is an example of the danger: NutmegYankee Aug 2015 #74

My post referred to the danger of citing Godwin's law as though it were meaningful. merrily Aug 2015 #77

I was reiterating my point about allowing regulation of speech. NutmegYankee Aug 2015 #78

So basically, you would gut the 1A? GGJohn Aug 2015 #10

Yep. If only Germany had not had the First Amendment in the 1930s, Nye Bevan Aug 2015 #18

If only the world bank didn't hand over the banks of the first 2 countries hitler invaded..he would Sunlei Aug 2015 #36

Germany had the First Amendment in the 1930s? Who knew? merrily Aug 2015 #53

Yet, to quote to Tom Wolf, branford Aug 2015 #19

The founders weren't smart... Oilwellian Aug 2015 #30

I don't think anyone on DU would characterize me as a gun nut. merrily Aug 2015 #45

The poster I responded to referred to the Second Amendment Oilwellian Aug 2015 #87

The influx of refugees arriving in both Italy and Greece Aerows Aug 2015 #5

For the people questioning whether there should be limits on free speech: XemaSab Aug 2015 #7

I'm glad I read your post twice. mahatmakanejeeves Aug 2015 #41

You forgot DU! Some would make the site illegal if they could. Elmer S. E. Dump Aug 2015 #48

There are lots of limits. The SCOTUS sometimes refers to them as "unprotected speech." merrily Aug 2015 #54

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Aug 2015 #14

I think the FBI puts you in a special file just for Googling Stormfront. Initech Aug 2015 #20

I believe the Mancino Law was actually put into effect in 1993 JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #28

I support our 1st Amendment 100% Jake Stern Aug 2015 #34

March 7, 1934: Mock Trial of Hitler at Madison Square Garden Nye Bevan Aug 2015 #39

This is great news malaise Aug 2015 #46

For a second I thought that some crackpot US district attorney TeddyR Aug 2015 #58

I should have known that would never happen in America. Jamastiene Aug 2015 #62

But McVeigh and Rudolph were stopped. NuclearDem Aug 2015 #70

Stopped would mean not allowed to bomb people. Jamastiene Aug 2015 #83

It's not that simple with McVeigh. NuclearDem Aug 2015 #84

They might say that, but these groups are always reforming and regrouping. Jamastiene Aug 2015 #88

"McVeigh and Rudolph did massive damage all in the name of free speech." Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #89

You seem to be conflating our freedom of speech with freedom to bomb and murder. Nye Bevan Aug 2015 #72

I sure hope it never happens in America. Throd Aug 2015 #80

If we had that law here most of the GOP candidates underthematrix Aug 2015 #81

Do you think that's a good thing? Oneironaut Aug 2015 #86

"Do you think that's a good thing?" Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #90