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CTyankee

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13. he seems to be talking only about women who "bear a scar in their heart" over this decision.

Tue Sep 1, 2015, 09:08 AM

Sep 2015

He is right that it is an existential and moral situation (not an "ordeal" for every woman). What about the women that do not bear a scar but find a sense of relief that the availability of safe, legal abortion gives them? Can only women who bear a scar in their heart be forgiven?

It seems to me that he is inching toward recognition at least that women have moral agency around this kind of a decision, which is why her decision should be her moral choice, made in exercise of her moral agency as a human being. If he can stay on that track he might some day stumble on the truth.

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Pope Francis To Allow Priests To Forgive Women Who Had Abortions [View all] kpete Sep 2015 OP

Well, that's big of him... Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2015 #1

Perfect response LOL- I can't wait till less than 10% of the population follows mythology snooper2 Sep 2015 #23

I'll second that emotion. Arugula Latte Sep 2015 #35

Oh, you are SO much more genteel Le Taz Hot Sep 2015 #36

lol. Liberal_in_LA Sep 2015 #82

The idea that women are in need absolution for reproductive choice is disgusting. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #2

THIS! nt LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #90

an important step for bringing the church into the 21st century Blue_Adept Sep 2015 #3

I agree; these positive steps by Pope Francis are not taken cynically, Ron Green Sep 2015 #4

Yep Blue_Adept Sep 2015 #5

Blue_Adept kpete Sep 2015 #9

Same here Blue_Adept Sep 2015 #15

I saw your post about guns cost lives that do not need to be lost. I offer you these facts: Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #26

I live in a community that is Catholic. hunter Sep 2015 #28

WHAT?!??! Can you expand on this part, please? PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #29

The Church can't make me pay for an aircraft carrier named U.S.S. George H.W. Bush. hunter Sep 2015 #40

Make you pay? Gosh, that's privilege. And a far cry from proving your RIDICULOUS claim. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #41

If you think I tithe as Mormons or Fundamentalists do, you are mistaken. hunter Sep 2015 #46

I didn't say "you", I said "Dollars tithed". PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #47

Against my will, I "tithed" for war in Iraq. hunter Sep 2015 #49

That doesn't make the US government "far more regressive than the RCC" PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #50

You're not a dead body in Iraq. hunter Sep 2015 #52

That brings us back to the millions of dead in Africa who were told by your Church that condoms Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #55

Additionally, the Catholic Church in Rwanda was complicit in the genocide of the Tutsis... SidDithers Sep 2015 #58

Francis fans do not want to talk about Africa at all. Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #62

And? Here we are. hunter Sep 2015 #65

What leverage do you have on Iraq and aircraft carriers? Why can't you speak to what I said? Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #122

How is the secular government far more regressive and oppressive than the Church? Arugula Latte Sep 2015 #37

The Church has never stopped anyone in my family or among my friends from marrying. hunter Sep 2015 #45

How nice for you. Is your community capable of responding to what is said to them instead of making Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #53

I'm very familiar with all the "facts." hunter Sep 2015 #104

I have no idea what post of mine you're referencing Blue_Adept Sep 2015 #30

It was addressed to the OP, not to you. My point is that if we care about sensless wastes of human Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #57

Another good step towards progress. onehandle Sep 2015 #24

Agreed all around. Turning around an institution like the RCC hifiguy Sep 2015 #27

There's the secular segment that's just against anything that the church does Blue_Adept Sep 2015 #31

I've been an atheist going on 40 years. hifiguy Sep 2015 #32

pssssh. To borrow from another DUer PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #33

The reason why the Pope is making this step is because Catholics are voting with their feet Major Nikon Sep 2015 #109

That will never happen. Their entire schtick is Men = good. Women = icky/unclean/sinning/inhuman. Arugula Latte Sep 2015 #111

the RCC has written of western europe and north america Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #115

Understand this is big but it still pisses me off dembotoz Sep 2015 #6

Oh, fuck him. Lars39 Sep 2015 #7

Will priests be providing forgiveness for all medical procedures?... SidDithers Sep 2015 #8

Also note that is still at the discretion of the priest. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #10

I'm sure all the RCC clergy (men, of course) who have raped children are already forgiven. Arugula Latte Sep 2015 #39

Sad as it is, since the current position as it stands is much worse... Xyzse Sep 2015 #11

This is a big step LWolf Sep 2015 #12

he seems to be talking only about women who "bear a scar in their heart" over this decision. CTyankee Sep 2015 #13

Women do not need forgiveness from anyone bigwillq Sep 2015 #14

Correct, they don't need it Blue_Adept Sep 2015 #17

I can agree with that (nt) bigwillq Sep 2015 #18

Except it's not good... MellowDem Sep 2015 #21

mmm hmm PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #22

What kind of "power" does the Church really have here in the U.S.A.? hunter Sep 2015 #51

Depends on the person... MellowDem Sep 2015 #56

You seem to focus exclusively on the US and affluent Americans. Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #59

What "power" does the Church have over you? hunter Sep 2015 #76

Great post. kwassa Sep 2015 #88

Ever hear of Prop 8? Personhood amendments? PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #60

A lot more than you think.. Feron Sep 2015 #64

Plus this. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #67

I think they ought to give ice cream LuvNewcastle Sep 2015 #16

That was awesome. Thank you. Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #19

wow kpete Sep 2015 #20

He can fuck right off. JTFrog Sep 2015 #25

+10000000 CharlotteVale Sep 2015 #34

It will be a happy day when all the women of the world just tell the Vatican to go fuck itself. Arugula Latte Sep 2015 #38

Me, too. demmiblue Sep 2015 #42

So do you think you should be PPRd for reproducing that offensive image in GD? nt el_bryanto Sep 2015 #61

Good Dog, are you that obtuse? demmiblue Sep 2015 #69

I'm just asking - it's a pretty hateful image. el_bryanto Sep 2015 #70

Um, duh. demmiblue Sep 2015 #75

Ah - so when you mentioned a witch hunt earlier you weren't opposed el_bryanto Sep 2015 #80

Lol! You can champion the conservative viewpoint all you want... I will not. demmiblue Sep 2015 #81

That's a filthy lie; I don't champion conservative view points. el_bryanto Sep 2015 #84

well you do believe that homosexuals have to go to hell. Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #114

Please link me to a post where I have said that. nt el_bryanto Sep 2015 #116

You haven't a clue who made that, do you? rug Sep 2015 #87

This message was self-deleted by its author rug Sep 2015 #89

Pope Forgives Molested Children Orrex Sep 2015 #43

Brilliant... SidDithers Sep 2015 #48

Look, if you don't believe, you don't. We'll all find out too soon. WinkyDink Sep 2015 #44

Likely not. Arugula Latte Sep 2015 #85

Papal patronization propagating the precept of power and control over women. Solly Mack Sep 2015 #54

^^^This^^^ beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #63

Something about produce and reptiles that cause good women to go bad. Solly Mack Sep 2015 #66

It's all Eve's fault. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #68

Damn, Eve. Stepping out of line that way. Solly Mack Sep 2015 #71

And every woman who ever experienced the agonizing pain of child birth has her to thank. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #72

Great quote. Solly Mack Sep 2015 #74

Jezebel Spirit!!! PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #73

Don't leave out the part about dogs eating her flesh. Solly Mack Sep 2015 #77

Amen, sister. Good catch. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #78

The year long �Jubilee of Mercy� (his words, not mine) begins December 8th. We better hurry! Solly Mack Sep 2015 #86

Exactly. This corrupt, grifting, murderous institution has caused women untold suffering Arugula Latte Sep 2015 #83

Nice alliteration. LWolf Sep 2015 #100

If you say so. Solly Mack Sep 2015 #101

it's an interesting case study for incrementalism foo_bar Sep 2015 #107

Fark nailed it... Glassunion Sep 2015 #79

Abortion, or helping someone procure one, incurs an automatic excommunication in the Catholic Church rug Sep 2015 #91

Or... We can voice our opposition over such a barbaric policy. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #92

You can voice anything you want. Make sure you know what you're talking abot. rug Sep 2015 #94

Why don't you start one about how a priest raping a child PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #96

Yeah. Strange set of priorities, there... SidDithers Sep 2015 #98

Be my guest. I love debnking bullshit. rug Sep 2015 #99

So tell me, does child molestation lead to an automatic excommunication? n/t Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #105

As you know, no. Neither does adultery, same sex relationships or anything but a handful of acts. rug Sep 2015 #117

My mom is the sort who could be excommunicated for physically attacking a Pope. hunter Sep 2015 #121

Oh, so it's a device to help the church boost membership... SidDithers Sep 2015 #93

Do you have trouble reading words as written, Sid? rug Sep 2015 #95

I wonder how many Catholics choose to get baptized... MellowDem Sep 2015 #102

38,042 in the U.S. last year. rug Sep 2015 #103

And 775,000 infant or minor baptisms... MellowDem Sep 2015 #118

79.7 million self-identified Catholics. rug Sep 2015 #119

The decline is in baptisms... MellowDem Sep 2015 #120

-allow- ?? ananda Sep 2015 #97

This Catholic agrees with you. 840high Sep 2015 #106

So why be a Catholic and put up with this bullshit? Arugula Latte Sep 2015 #110

I did walk away - found myself 840high Sep 2015 #112

it is disgusting misogynistic garbage Skittles Sep 2015 #108

they have to admit that they are awful murderesses and beg for forgiveness Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #113