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matt819

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11. OK, but. . .

Tue Sep 1, 2015, 09:42 AM

Sep 2015

I fully support just about any control you can think of when it comes to guns. Name checks, waiting periods, no open carry, no concealed carry, as many police or government approvals you can think of.

However, look at the 18 states with gun deaths under 10 per 100K. Eight of those have pretty lax gun laws. The issue is more complex than just the gun control requirements.

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People are dying who do not have to die [View all] kpete Sep 2015 OP

Have you noticed that in every case, when people die who do not have to die, it is because of PatrickforO Sep 2015 #1

+1 daleanime Sep 2015 #8

K&R... spanone Sep 2015 #2

Your post points out the fundamental flaw with the gun control movement hack89 Sep 2015 #3

Funny...... daleanime Sep 2015 #10

I have listed the gun control measures I would support many times. hack89 Sep 2015 #13

Exactly..... daleanime Sep 2015 #15

Hmm... Straw Man Sep 2015 #36

...... daleanime Sep 2015 #39

Good advice Duckhunter935 Sep 2015 #53

Hawaii has it closest to being correct. -none Sep 2015 #4

Agreed. Glassunion Sep 2015 #52

It's always surprising how many don't understand pipoman Sep 2015 #5

Yeah, I know what you mean. Homicides and violent crime are going down flamin lib Sep 2015 #16

More guns in fewer hands. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2015 #27

It is debatable if there are fewer owners, it is a complete guess pipoman Sep 2015 #58

True, Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2015 #59

Why would you think anything so ridiculous? pipoman Sep 2015 #70

Then I guess we can ignore the numbers of DGUs as well. flamin lib Sep 2015 #60

True, it is probably way higher, huh? Nice catch there... pipoman Sep 2015 #69

I couldn't agree more pipoman Sep 2015 #56

Keep in mind that many gun-deaths are suicides HereSince1628 Sep 2015 #6

Pretty much nailed it Hydra Sep 2015 #9

ever think it might be the outlook, economics, culture *AND* the guns? Skittles Sep 2015 #30

I wish to associate myself with Skittles remarks. ellisonz Sep 2015 #31

Suicide is frequently linked to depression and anxiety... HereSince1628 Sep 2015 #35

AND GUNS DO NOT HELP Skittles Sep 2015 #43

Very true, most cases of depression are not helped with guns. HereSince1628 Sep 2015 #80

Not really, because I'd rather people not turn to explosives or mass poisonings Hydra Sep 2015 #45

oh my god Skittles Sep 2015 #46

You remember Timothy McVeigh? Hydra Sep 2015 #48

done here Skittles Sep 2015 #50

About 2/3, actually. Lizzie Poppet Sep 2015 #12

Thats the entire point of doing so... beevul Sep 2015 #38

So? hunter Sep 2015 #20

Good points. moondust Sep 2015 #23

SOooo... Opinions running pro-gun control run much higher in metro areas. HereSince1628 Sep 2015 #32

This message was self-deleted by its author HereSince1628 Sep 2015 #34

And Japan does it how with their suicide rate? Eleanors38 Sep 2015 #65

Don't bother Duckhunter935 Sep 2015 #67

In Japan there is NO MURDER, everything is listed as a suicide. oneshooter Sep 2015 #76

Yes, and guns are far more effective suicide devices than other options. jeff47 Sep 2015 #21

So what gun laws will stop suicides? hack89 Sep 2015 #24

Any that make it harder/slower to get one. jeff47 Sep 2015 #25

Background checks with mental health screening would be hard hack89 Sep 2015 #26

It would be pretty easy to eliminate some jeff47 Sep 2015 #29

Yes, where it's been examined waiting periods have been shown to reduce impulsive gun suicides. HereSince1628 Sep 2015 #33

What about waiting periods if you already have firearms ? Duckhunter935 Sep 2015 #54

Still helpful. Anything that slows the process helps. jeff47 Sep 2015 #61

How do you know Duckhunter935 Sep 2015 #63

Yes. Your time is not worth someone dying. (nt) jeff47 Sep 2015 #64

my dad shot himself in the head and lived for six days Skittles Sep 2015 #44

So sorry to read that Skittles. panader0 Sep 2015 #51

I'm sorry Skittles DashOneBravo Sep 2015 #55

Jesus, Skittles! Le Taz Hot Sep 2015 #82

True That DustyJoe Sep 2015 #78

I really wish we could change it JackInGreen Sep 2015 #7

OK, but. . . matt819 Sep 2015 #11

Would you get the same rankings if you showed income or education levels? hack89 Sep 2015 #14

Kick... Agschmid Sep 2015 #17

Great meme! K&R marym625 Sep 2015 #18

Speaking of memes.. pipoman Sep 2015 #57

Talk about a complete crock of shit. marym625 Sep 2015 #62

What facts? pipoman Sep 2015 #71

who the hell said that? marym625 Sep 2015 #73

You did.... pipoman Sep 2015 #74

yeah, they couldn't have been shot if idiots and assholes marym625 Sep 2015 #75

Oh...yeah, I covered that possibility in my post when I said... pipoman Sep 2015 #77

K&R Thanks! Duval Sep 2015 #19

What would you say are the reasons states with the same gun laws are on opposite ends of this graph? bunnies Sep 2015 #22

You won't get an answer sarisataka Sep 2015 #41

Well... Kang Colby Sep 2015 #42

I bought a new video game player that happens to emit 300 times more carbon dioxide than randys1 Sep 2015 #28

"Gun related deaths" and "rates". beevul Sep 2015 #37

More hogwash from the controllers... Kang Colby Sep 2015 #40

Thanks anyway but I'll keep my progressive 2A rights. ileus Sep 2015 #47

a lot of people are simply not able to see what this chart shows MisterP Sep 2015 #49

I prefer our RKBA, but thanks for asking. nt Eleanors38 Sep 2015 #66

I love the fact I live in a country where I can Boudica the Lyoness Sep 2015 #68

having the blue vs gray color scheme is a nice touch Bucky Sep 2015 #72

There are some inaccurancies in the table. NutmegYankee Sep 2015 #79

But I thought everyone had to die GummyBearz Sep 2015 #81