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flamin lib

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16. Yeah, I know what you mean. Homicides and violent crime are going down

Tue Sep 1, 2015, 10:45 AM

Sep 2015

and gun sales are going up ergo more guns means less crime. Lott says so.

So I guess you acknowledge that the reason violent crime is falling since the 70's has nothing to do with more guns?

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People are dying who do not have to die [View all] kpete Sep 2015 OP

Have you noticed that in every case, when people die who do not have to die, it is because of PatrickforO Sep 2015 #1

+1 daleanime Sep 2015 #8

K&R... spanone Sep 2015 #2

Your post points out the fundamental flaw with the gun control movement hack89 Sep 2015 #3

Funny...... daleanime Sep 2015 #10

I have listed the gun control measures I would support many times. hack89 Sep 2015 #13

Exactly..... daleanime Sep 2015 #15

Hmm... Straw Man Sep 2015 #36

...... daleanime Sep 2015 #39

Good advice Duckhunter935 Sep 2015 #53

Hawaii has it closest to being correct. -none Sep 2015 #4

Agreed. Glassunion Sep 2015 #52

It's always surprising how many don't understand pipoman Sep 2015 #5

Yeah, I know what you mean. Homicides and violent crime are going down flamin lib Sep 2015 #16

More guns in fewer hands. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2015 #27

It is debatable if there are fewer owners, it is a complete guess pipoman Sep 2015 #58

True, Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2015 #59

Why would you think anything so ridiculous? pipoman Sep 2015 #70

Then I guess we can ignore the numbers of DGUs as well. flamin lib Sep 2015 #60

True, it is probably way higher, huh? Nice catch there... pipoman Sep 2015 #69

I couldn't agree more pipoman Sep 2015 #56

Keep in mind that many gun-deaths are suicides HereSince1628 Sep 2015 #6

Pretty much nailed it Hydra Sep 2015 #9

ever think it might be the outlook, economics, culture *AND* the guns? Skittles Sep 2015 #30

I wish to associate myself with Skittles remarks. ellisonz Sep 2015 #31

Suicide is frequently linked to depression and anxiety... HereSince1628 Sep 2015 #35

AND GUNS DO NOT HELP Skittles Sep 2015 #43

Very true, most cases of depression are not helped with guns. HereSince1628 Sep 2015 #80

Not really, because I'd rather people not turn to explosives or mass poisonings Hydra Sep 2015 #45

oh my god Skittles Sep 2015 #46

You remember Timothy McVeigh? Hydra Sep 2015 #48

done here Skittles Sep 2015 #50

About 2/3, actually. Lizzie Poppet Sep 2015 #12

Thats the entire point of doing so... beevul Sep 2015 #38

So? hunter Sep 2015 #20

Good points. moondust Sep 2015 #23

SOooo... Opinions running pro-gun control run much higher in metro areas. HereSince1628 Sep 2015 #32

This message was self-deleted by its author HereSince1628 Sep 2015 #34

And Japan does it how with their suicide rate? Eleanors38 Sep 2015 #65

Don't bother Duckhunter935 Sep 2015 #67

In Japan there is NO MURDER, everything is listed as a suicide. oneshooter Sep 2015 #76

Yes, and guns are far more effective suicide devices than other options. jeff47 Sep 2015 #21

So what gun laws will stop suicides? hack89 Sep 2015 #24

Any that make it harder/slower to get one. jeff47 Sep 2015 #25

Background checks with mental health screening would be hard hack89 Sep 2015 #26

It would be pretty easy to eliminate some jeff47 Sep 2015 #29

Yes, where it's been examined waiting periods have been shown to reduce impulsive gun suicides. HereSince1628 Sep 2015 #33

What about waiting periods if you already have firearms ? Duckhunter935 Sep 2015 #54

Still helpful. Anything that slows the process helps. jeff47 Sep 2015 #61

How do you know Duckhunter935 Sep 2015 #63

Yes. Your time is not worth someone dying. (nt) jeff47 Sep 2015 #64

my dad shot himself in the head and lived for six days Skittles Sep 2015 #44

So sorry to read that Skittles. panader0 Sep 2015 #51

I'm sorry Skittles DashOneBravo Sep 2015 #55

Jesus, Skittles! Le Taz Hot Sep 2015 #82

True That DustyJoe Sep 2015 #78

I really wish we could change it JackInGreen Sep 2015 #7

OK, but. . . matt819 Sep 2015 #11

Would you get the same rankings if you showed income or education levels? hack89 Sep 2015 #14

Kick... Agschmid Sep 2015 #17

Great meme! K&R marym625 Sep 2015 #18

Speaking of memes.. pipoman Sep 2015 #57

Talk about a complete crock of shit. marym625 Sep 2015 #62

What facts? pipoman Sep 2015 #71

who the hell said that? marym625 Sep 2015 #73

You did.... pipoman Sep 2015 #74

yeah, they couldn't have been shot if idiots and assholes marym625 Sep 2015 #75

Oh...yeah, I covered that possibility in my post when I said... pipoman Sep 2015 #77

K&R Thanks! Duval Sep 2015 #19

What would you say are the reasons states with the same gun laws are on opposite ends of this graph? bunnies Sep 2015 #22

You won't get an answer sarisataka Sep 2015 #41

Well... Kang Colby Sep 2015 #42

I bought a new video game player that happens to emit 300 times more carbon dioxide than randys1 Sep 2015 #28

"Gun related deaths" and "rates". beevul Sep 2015 #37

More hogwash from the controllers... Kang Colby Sep 2015 #40

Thanks anyway but I'll keep my progressive 2A rights. ileus Sep 2015 #47

a lot of people are simply not able to see what this chart shows MisterP Sep 2015 #49

I prefer our RKBA, but thanks for asking. nt Eleanors38 Sep 2015 #66

I love the fact I live in a country where I can Boudica the Lyoness Sep 2015 #68

having the blue vs gray color scheme is a nice touch Bucky Sep 2015 #72

There are some inaccurancies in the table. NutmegYankee Sep 2015 #79

But I thought everyone had to die GummyBearz Sep 2015 #81