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cascadiance

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59. This is about a former libertarian discovering the hidden ugly truths about libertarianism...

Tue Sep 1, 2015, 05:03 PM

Sep 2015

... and seeing that Bernie provides many who are drawn to libertarianism with the well publicized aspects of them like ending the drug war, ending real wars, ending government spying, etc. that most of us on the REAL left also support instead of the corporatists who don't like those issues. This guy and many others like him are discovering that Bernie represents the real revolution that doesn't exploit the 99% like the HIDDEN Libertarian philosophies that the Koch brothers hold on to do.

Does that mean that Bernie only appeals to "white liberals" and reformed "libertarians" (that you seem to imply still are libertarians)? HELL NO! There's no proof here that his appeal is limited to those groups of people. Try again, but each time you do, you expose how weak arguments are against Bernie's campaign.

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Jennifer Granholm for DNC Chair! [View all] trumad Aug 2015 OP

I like it! tosh Aug 2015 #1

I love her, but she's not independent enough. HappyPlace Aug 2015 #2

I like her too but agree, she's too close. haikugal Aug 2015 #3

+1 hifiguy Aug 2015 #5

How cool is that!? haikugal Aug 2015 #8

Working on a law school journal was fun. hifiguy Aug 2015 #10

I have a lot of respect for her. Aerows Aug 2015 #13

You got her precisely with that description. hifiguy Aug 2015 #14

She sure let it rip, didn't she. sheshe2 Aug 2015 #18

Well what if she was to close to Bernie? trumad Aug 2015 #4

Exactly, I think it goes with the territory. MuseRider Aug 2015 #6

Then it would be wrong. It should be an uncommitted Democrat. HappyPlace Aug 2015 #9

I think she's ethical enough Aerows Aug 2015 #16

Speaking as a Bernie fan, the DNC chair shouldn't be taking sides. backscatter712 Aug 2015 #32

I got news for you, most Democrats are "close to Hillary Clinton". There's a reason for it. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2015 #20

Yes. Her money. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #31

Democrats are "close to Hillary Clinton" because she is a "Democrat". Tarheel_Dem Sep 2015 #41

More likely they are close to Clinton because they are paid now by campaign money to do so... cascadiance Sep 2015 #43

The monied interests aren't the only ones who "don't want Bernie in". White liberals/libertarians Tarheel_Dem Sep 2015 #44

Koch Brothers work for white libertarians! Bernie does not! He works for OPPOSITE philosophies! cascadiance Sep 2015 #56

"I gave up Ayn Rand for Bernie Sanders: How I grew up and traded libertarianism for a progressive.." Tarheel_Dem Sep 2015 #57

This is about a former libertarian discovering the hidden ugly truths about libertarianism... cascadiance Sep 2015 #59

You said libertarians weren't attracted to BS, I just showed you they were. Deal with it. Tarheel_Dem Sep 2015 #61

No, you showed me an article where the guy was LEAVING Libertarianism for Bernie! cascadiance Sep 2015 #62

I'm a "people of color", and I could not be less interested in BS, and I don't give two shits when Tarheel_Dem Sep 2015 #63

The reason they supported Clinton, is the reason they are leaving Clinton Babel_17 Sep 2015 #51

That's how it works. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #53

... and it partly explains why Senator Schumer is powerful Babel_17 Sep 2015 #55

It's easy to find friends when you buy them. hifiguy Sep 2015 #64

Yes wendylaroux Aug 2015 #29

That is funny. nt DURHAM D Aug 2015 #7

Care to explain why? nt hifiguy Aug 2015 #11

Yes! MoonRiver Aug 2015 #12

YES! I love her. Triana Aug 2015 #15

I love her! Control-Z Aug 2015 #17

Great speaker, but hardly a progressive. Scuba Aug 2015 #19

The Oligarchs that own the Democratic leadership don't like progressives. nm rhett o rick Aug 2015 #21

You noticed that too, eh? Scuba Aug 2015 #24

One would have to be a nitwit not to. Ooops. I don't mean anyone in DU of course. nm rhett o rick Aug 2015 #33

So, you want to replace one Third-Way corporate shill for another? Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #22

because they benefit from the status quo. nt antigop Aug 2015 #25

Exactly. nm rhett o rick Aug 2015 #34

Good question. BeanMusical Aug 2015 #30

Isn't the answer obvous? merrily Sep 2015 #36

No, thanks (nt) bigwillq Aug 2015 #23

No Thanks! thatgemguy Aug 2015 #26

Absolutely. k&r. nt UtahLib Aug 2015 #27

Inote that nobody has discussed why she'd be good at the job... brooklynite Aug 2015 #28

Hell, yes! world wide wally Aug 2015 #35

So, after several petititons to replace DWS, including one on whitehouse.gov, merrily Sep 2015 #37

Uh me thinks you know nothing Jon Snow. trumad Sep 2015 #40

Gee, what a brilliant rebuttal! merrily Sep 2015 #42

Almost as brilliant as saying Charlie Pierce is a hack. trumad Sep 2015 #46

Your false claim that I said he was a hack is even less impressive than your prior post. merrily Sep 2015 #47

Re read your original post... trumad Sep 2015 #48

You're so blissfully unaware of how much you are embarrassing yourself. merrily Sep 2015 #49

Ha! trumad Sep 2015 #50

Great choice leftynyc Sep 2015 #38

YES!! n/t MBS Sep 2015 #39

Rather have Dean's brilliant strategic thinking. Granholm is sharp and a very Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2015 #45

She was a *terrible* governor, though. Like, won't show her face back in Michigan bad. nt Romulox Sep 2015 #52

She'd be better off trying to run for president... cascadiance Sep 2015 #60

Really..and Kasich is that much better? trumad Sep 2015 #66

Wrong state. This is our governor. He's as good as he looks. Romulox Sep 2015 #67

Oh, you got it from Pierce. KamaAina Sep 2015 #54

I would love to see this happen!! nt sufrommich Sep 2015 #58

No thanks. moondust Sep 2015 #65