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Surya Gayatri

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62. But, we have misguided American militarism to thank for ISIS, in large part.

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Thu Sep 3, 2015, 11:53 AM

Sep 2015

The Syrian civil war created a chaotic power vacuum that ISIS was ready and willing to exploit.

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Photo of a drowned 3yo syrian refugee. I'm disgusted, but not for the reason you think. [View all] DetlefK Sep 2015 OP

I love the assumed paternalism of it all. linuxman Sep 2015 #1

What "assumed paternalism"? They are asking for help whathehell Sep 2015 #10

France and UK were part of the regime change ops in Libya and Syria. They have a duty to refugees leveymg Sep 2015 #34

Jesus, put a warning on that. People who have lost young ones tragically will be traumatized. nt MADem Sep 2015 #2

+1 on that! add a warning Locrian Sep 2015 #4

People are traumatized by a nipple Blue_Adept Sep 2015 #9

That was a tasteless remark. Completely unnecessary, and crude. MADem Sep 2015 #20

I'm pretty sure someone that has lost someone would avoid it just based on the title Blue_Adept Sep 2015 #37

I am pretty sure you'd be wrong. And that "oh so sensitive" whining MADem Sep 2015 #66

"Is it really that hard to not be an asshole? " awoke_in_2003 Sep 2015 #77

"Photo of a drowned 3yo syrian refugee." Thor_MN Sep 2015 #13

Snark away. GRAPHIC IMAGE would do. MADem Sep 2015 #19

No snark intended, what did you think a post that said photo of drowned child would be about? Thor_MN Sep 2015 #96

This is the picture most papers are using--not that one of the kid faceplanted in the surf. MADem Sep 2015 #100

Well, see, when I read photot of drowned child, I knew that there was going to be Thor_MN Sep 2015 #104

Sorry--a graphic image is a graphic image. And it has been DU custom to warn people. MADem Sep 2015 #107

Sorry, I can't help you if you can't comprehend what "Photo of Drowned child" means. Thor_MN Sep 2015 #108

I "comprehend" you just fine. You think your "right" to be insensitive trumps long-held MADem Sep 2015 #110

Please try not ascribing your emotions on me, because... massive fail. Thor_MN Sep 2015 #111

I'm not ascribing my emotions to you, I am describing your behavior. MADem Sep 2015 #112

Save your sarcasm for your personal life. Thor_MN Sep 2015 #114

I am not being sarcastic--I am being very frank with you. MADem Sep 2015 #115

As I said on the other thread, your actions are not logical. Thor_MN Sep 2015 #117

My actions are entirely logical and consistent with DU standards over the last fifteen years. MADem Sep 2015 #119

Keep those delusions coming. And ignoring questions, as you can't answer them. Thor_MN Sep 2015 #121

There you go again! Now it's "delusions!" MADem Sep 2015 #122

The title says "photo of a drowned 3yo". How much more explicit should it be? DetlefK Sep 2015 #14

How about GRAPHIC IMAGE? Come on, it's not that hard. nt MADem Sep 2015 #15

As I said, not enough characters. DetlefK Sep 2015 #44

Well, there would have been, minus your little cryptic addendum. WinkyDink Sep 2015 #53

Seriously? You are seriously trying to insist that putting GRAPHIC IMAGE at the start of a MADem Sep 2015 #65

It's not hard to figure out an image of a drowned child is likely to be disturbing, either. Lizzie Poppet Sep 2015 #47

FFS, right back at you--once upon a time, DU used to give a shit about how others felt. MADem Sep 2015 #64

It still does. The existing headline is a clear and obvious indication of what's inside. Lizzie Poppet Sep 2015 #72

The photo that most papers are carrying is NOT that graphic one. MADem Sep 2015 #84

Who cares what the photo is elsewhere? Lizzie Poppet Sep 2015 #85

Take a look at post 83. Then take a look at the TOS. MADem Sep 2015 #87

Different issue entirely. Lizzie Poppet Sep 2015 #92

No, it isn't--that is not the pic that most news outlets are using. That is a graphic image. MADem Sep 2015 #93

I didn't say it wasn't an issue. I said it wasn't the one we've been discussing. Lizzie Poppet Sep 2015 #94

The headline leads one to believe it's the less offensive picture being used by the papers, NOT the MADem Sep 2015 #95

FFS, anyone with a bit of reading comprhension knew what the post was about from the title. Thor_MN Sep 2015 #97

I'll tell you what I've told others--that is not the "drowned child" picture most papers are using. MADem Sep 2015 #99

And you have made the list of people who think "photo of drowned child" Thor_MN Sep 2015 #101

No, I haven't. I've shown you the picture most papers are using. You're just angry because MADem Sep 2015 #102

You are the one with the angst. I have no discomfort. Thor_MN Sep 2015 #103

Give it up, amigo. Lizzie Poppet Sep 2015 #106

Bingo, there it is... "I" have no discomfort. Because it's all about YOU, isn't it? nt MADem Sep 2015 #113

Wow, projection, again... Thor_MN Sep 2015 #116

Projection? Do you even know what that means? I was repeating your OWN WORDS back to you! MADem Sep 2015 #118

I have said no such things. Are you hearing voices? Thor_MN Sep 2015 #120

Follow the thread, pal--you most certainly have said that. MADem Sep 2015 #123

I hadn't seen the picture yet yeoman6987 Sep 2015 #80

See: UK Daily Mail: BLURRING. WinkyDink Sep 2015 #51

They also showed it unblurred melman Sep 2015 #109

Warning? rtracey Sep 2015 #21

Back when DU was a place of decency, it was customary to warn people MADem Sep 2015 #27

Because this thread is all about you pscot Sep 2015 #39

Listen to you. Good grief. MADem Sep 2015 #68

. Egnever Sep 2015 #75

Straight out bull. You want examples? Here ya go. We've been civil for years. Pay attention. MADem Sep 2015 #83

Exceptions do not make a rule Egnever Sep 2015 #88

Check the TOS. You are in the wrong. nt MADem Sep 2015 #89

wow Truprogressive85 Sep 2015 #3

Why does Sweden need to take in all the asylum seekers? Quantess Sep 2015 #5

So political ramification is your only concern? Truprogressive85 Sep 2015 #7

I'm just giving you a little bit of my local perspective, dear American. Quantess Sep 2015 #8

We part of global community period ! Truprogressive85 Sep 2015 #11

How about, the US take in more of them? Quantess Sep 2015 #17

have a good day Truprogressive85 Sep 2015 #28

No, of course you aren't in a position to debate what Sweden should do or how swedes should vote Quantess Sep 2015 #31

Thank you, Quantess. Being a European/American, I am disgusted by sanctimonious Surya Gayatri Sep 2015 #32

There ARE hundreds of thousands of desperate people trying to get to teh USA! dixiegrrrrl Sep 2015 #45

Well it is not like that hasn't happened in the past Egnever Sep 2015 #76

That happened one time BarstowCowboy Sep 2015 #125

We? How many thousands of syrian refugees has the US taken in? DetlefK Sep 2015 #18

Beacon of hope Truprogressive85 Sep 2015 #23

couple of thousand w0nderer Sep 2015 #25

Dear American Expat.. whathehell Sep 2015 #16

At least Assad does not bomb civilians and Russia does not keep supplying him? pampango Sep 2015 #42

As we later found out, the armed opposition included Qatari Special Forces leading armed rebels leveymg Sep 2015 #71

Your link makes no such claims. It references events in 2012 long after the peaceful protests pampango Sep 2015 #73

Various agencies of the US and other governments were running Syrian exile groups. That was leveymg Sep 2015 #74

Then there was the role of the other Sunni militia, al-Qaeda, in Syria dating from the start leveymg Sep 2015 #78

And would ANY of this be going on if there had been no Iraq War Resolution of 2002? Smarmie Doofus Sep 2015 #6

Precisely, who set this tragedy in train? Surya Gayatri Sep 2015 #33

It's all Hillary's fault. EVERYTHING. Blue_Adept Sep 2015 #38

Who said anything about Hills? (I'm a HRC supporter, FWIW.) The IWR Surya Gayatri Sep 2015 #58

Anytime you see IWR mentioned around here this year... Blue_Adept Sep 2015 #60

Believe me, given the climate on DU these days, I understand your sensitivity. Surya Gayatri Sep 2015 #61

Pathetic post. Just don't blame the country FlatBaroque Sep 2015 #12

Sorry that I made the article about refugees and not america-bashing. DetlefK Sep 2015 #22

No you absoutely didn't make it about the refugees FlatBaroque Sep 2015 #35

The mid-east has been in war and violence for 1,000+ years davidn3600 Sep 2015 #46

I'm not even going to try and correct your FlatBaroque Sep 2015 #57

Careful. Truth around here makes people anxious. n/t jtuck004 Sep 2015 #48

Couldn't agree more jamzrockz Sep 2015 #40

wonder how this would be handled by the us....would trump and the gop cheer? dembotoz Sep 2015 #24

Trump and the GOP don't represent more than a franction of the US whathehell Sep 2015 #26

The root is religious fundamentalism. Snarkoleptic Sep 2015 #29

Agree. Sick of people bending over backward to never say a negative word about "faith." Arugula Latte Sep 2015 #70

Yep awoke_in_2003 Sep 2015 #79

"It is a symbol for the callousness and cowardice of those who refuse to do anything." Surya Gayatri Sep 2015 #30

+1000 nt 7wo7rees Sep 2015 #86

All imperialists fighting for the spoils from these countries are responsible malaise Sep 2015 #36

Yes yes and yes jamzrockz Sep 2015 #41

And yet, and yet, were there these refugees under Qaddafi or Hussein? WinkyDink Sep 2015 #50

Precisely malaise Sep 2015 #55

Juan Cole disagrees: "the uprisings were spontaneous, indigenous, centered on dissatisfied youth..." pampango Sep 2015 #56

I don't think most American's can be shocked into caring for more than just a few minutes. jalan48 Sep 2015 #43

I've seen other news stories that at least blur the boy's face, FGS. NOT a welcome vision. WinkyDink Sep 2015 #49

Actually, it is a natural disaster. jeff47 Sep 2015 #52

But, we have misguided American militarism to thank for ISIS, in large part. Surya Gayatri Sep 2015 #62

Yes, but ISIS still needed the civil war to start. And that was started by a natural disaster. jeff47 Sep 2015 #63

This message was self-deleted by its author Agschmid Sep 2015 #54

Your last point is not accurate at all. Glassunion Sep 2015 #59

Maybe I missed something, but why aren't the more stable, peaceful middle eastern and Asian smirkymonkey Sep 2015 #81

You'd have to ask them. Glassunion Sep 2015 #90

sorry, I was reading your post when I meant to reply to the OP. smirkymonkey Sep 2015 #124

Read my sig line... Glassunion Sep 2015 #130

Who are these "stable, peaceful Middle Eastern countries?" Nevernose Sep 2015 #91

If only humans cared, but they don't. Rex Sep 2015 #67

Totally agree with you, and this from someone whose family arrived on those shores eissa Sep 2015 #69

I hope you are all reunited safely and soon. lpbk2713 Sep 2015 #82

Where is the Arab world in dealing with the refugee crisis...? JCMach1 Sep 2015 #98

Egyptian Billionaire Ready to Step Up notspecial Sep 2015 #105

Welcome to DU! nt TeamPooka Sep 2015 #127

He's awesome! JustAnotherGen Sep 2015 #128

Well, if you get all your news from USA and Europe mainstream media... MattSh Sep 2015 #126

True but it takes two sides (at least) to have a war. Are both sides at fault or just one? n/t pampango Sep 2015 #129