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Matariki

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29. It's *not* the concensus of science. You don't know what you're talking about

Fri Sep 4, 2015, 04:51 PM

Sep 2015

And it's not my job to educate you.

Here's a link to John Hopkins Medicine. You know, an actual medical reasearch foundation.

http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/healthlibrary/conditions/complementary_and_alternative_medicine/acupuncture_85,P00171/

"Studies have shown that acupuncture is effective for certain conditions."

How does acupuncture affect the body?

Acupuncture points are believed to stimulate the central nervous system. This, in turn, releases chemicals into the muscles, spinal cord, and brain. These biochemical changes may stimulate the body's natural healing abilities and promote physical and emotional well-being.

National Institutes of Health (NIH) studies have shown that acupuncture is an effective treatment alone or in combination with conventional therapies to treat the following:

Nausea caused by surgical anesthesia and cancer chemotherapy

Dental pain after surgery

Addiction

Headaches

Menstrual cramps

Tennis elbow

Fibromyalgia

Myofascial pain

Osteoarthritis

Low back pain

Carpal tunnel syndrome

Asthma

It may also help with stroke rehabilitation.

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Why one naturopath quit after watching her peers treat cancer patients [View all] HuckleB Sep 2015 OP

Meanwhile, things are only getting worse in Oregon. HuckleB Sep 2015 #1

I have a friend PasadenaTrudy Sep 2015 #2

Acupuncture is recognized and used in main stream medicine. Matariki Sep 2015 #3

Just because it is used, doesn't make it effective. It's an elaborate placebo. HuckleB Sep 2015 #8

My son had severe asthma for 7 years adigal Sep 2015 #13

Asthma disappears over time for many kids. HuckleB Sep 2015 #15

It disappeared in two weeks...seriously. After about 7 years. adigal Sep 2015 #37

What's hilarious about acupuncture... Orrex Sep 2015 #72

that is awesome J_J_ Sep 2015 #19

Of course! Any correlation, no matter how ridiculous is not coincidence! HuckleB Sep 2015 #22

what is ridiculous is thinking that the asthma spontaneously dissappeared J_J_ Sep 2015 #26

It didn't. HuckleB Sep 2015 #28

Two weeks after we started acupuncture, he asthma disappeared and never came back adigal Sep 2015 #38

Again, there is no scientific basis for acupuncture helping asthma, or anything else. HuckleB Sep 2015 #68

Both my brothers had childhood asthma LadyHawkAZ Sep 2015 #71

Correlation HassleCat Sep 2015 #76

People can laugh, but my son's very severe asthma went away adigal Sep 2015 #39

No one is laughing. HuckleB Sep 2015 #75

It certainly wasn't useless to us. Hey, do you see that air over there??? adigal Sep 2015 #78

The plural of anecdote is not data. Correlation is not causation. HuckleB Sep 2015 #79

Are you a doctor? Matariki Sep 2015 #20

So you can't respond to the content of my post. HuckleB Sep 2015 #21

It's not worth it. Matariki Sep 2015 #23

LOL! HuckleB Sep 2015 #24

It's *not* the concensus of science. You don't know what you're talking about Matariki Sep 2015 #29

In other words, you haven't read anything I've posted. HuckleB Sep 2015 #30

People don't understand that medical doctors are generally not scientists... Act_of_Reparation Sep 2015 #34

People don't undersant MDs have ten times the education and clinical experiaece... HuckleB Sep 2015 #35

Not sure what you're getting at. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2015 #36

Yes, some of them are, but the people fighting quackery also tend to be MDs. HuckleB Sep 2015 #80

Without a doubt. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2015 #84

Yes, Johns Hopkins is a quack hospital because HuckleB told me so on the internets adigal Sep 2015 #40

Johns Hopkins is utilizing unproven quack treatments. HuckleB Sep 2015 #81

HuckleB says that John Hopkins practices quack medicine, so it must be true adigal Sep 2015 #41

If John Hopkins is using quack alt med that is not supported by science... HuckleB Sep 2015 #69

The Seattle Cancer Care Alliance (including the University of Washington, pnwmom Sep 2015 #45

Trying to cure anything with acupuncture is like trying to cook a steak GoneOffShore Sep 2015 #65

I credit it to good genes and not buying the hype REP Sep 2015 #4

Acupuncture from my cats! SheilaT Sep 2015 #32

If this is such a disgraced and fake profession, then why is it taught at a university? Rex Sep 2015 #5

This is the biggest problem. HuckleB Sep 2015 #6

I don't know, but it disturbs me deeply. Maybe this is partly due to the fact the PTB let Rex Sep 2015 #7

Indeed. We have a broken university system. HuckleB Sep 2015 #10

Also I think part of it is the for-profit schools that turn out students with useless degrees. Rex Sep 2015 #11

Exactly. HuckleB Sep 2015 #70

Bastyr is such a "disgraced and fake" university that the NIH funds research studies pnwmom Sep 2015 #46

NIH funds thousands of colleges, nice try. Rex Sep 2015 #49

Here is a list of Bastyr research studies, including some funded by the NIH pnwmom Sep 2015 #51

Someone has to go sit in the corner for 24 hours: beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #52

I was supposed to knot no what the NIH does for a living. Rex Sep 2015 #53

At one time he was an actual doctor. Then he got greedy and went off the deep end. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #54

It would indicate NIH just cares about many fields of study. The not all eggs in one basket approach Rex Sep 2015 #56

LOL! I ain't afraid of no woo! beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #57

LOL! Well done! Rex Sep 2015 #58

DU rec... SidDithers Sep 2015 #9

Homeopathic A&E FrodosPet Sep 2015 #12

I love that bit! HuckleB Sep 2015 #27

If I had a chronic serious illness, I would definitely use some adigal Sep 2015 #14

Just because some medicines are made from herbs, doesn't make them all valid. HuckleB Sep 2015 #16

I admire your patience. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2015 #17

I wish I was more patient. I'd probably have fewer posts deleted, if that were the case. HuckleB Sep 2015 #18

BTW, DU needs more posters to stand up for science based evidence. HuckleB Sep 2015 #25

I'm trying! n/t PasadenaTrudy Sep 2015 #31

Woo supporters tend to be more vocal it seems. kcr Sep 2015 #59

My son had severe asthma. We took him to the best pulmonologists in NYC adigal Sep 2015 #44

The problems with your story have already been examined at length. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2015 #60

Wow!! Really?? I was going to go out and eat some Oleander!!!! adigal Sep 2015 #42

Then I suggest you reject all modern medicine! Good luck! nt Logical Sep 2015 #43

"Alternative "Medicine" has either been proven not to work GoneOffShore Sep 2015 #50

Well, for the Therimin, we still have Pamelia Kurstin. longship Sep 2015 #55

Didn't mean to denigrate the Therimin or its players. GoneOffShore Sep 2015 #62

Nor did I take it that way. longship Sep 2015 #63

I'll be watching it. GoneOffShore Sep 2015 #66

Thanks for the kick, one of the four people I put on ignore. HuckleB Sep 2015 #33

thanks HuckleB edhopper Sep 2015 #47

. pintobean Sep 2015 #48

I have a sister into this crap loyalsister Sep 2015 #61

No it isn't tenable ismnotwasm Sep 2015 #64

My best friend is a qualified Chiropractor. Got her degree in the standard 7 years. She says underahedgerow Sep 2015 #67

And for another take on the nonsense, the eminently sensible and funny Dara O'Briain GoneOffShore Sep 2015 #73

Such a fantastic piece! HuckleB Sep 2015 #74

I'm always amazed at how much support for medical quackery there is at DU... Marr Sep 2015 #77

On the other hand... CanSocDem Sep 2015 #82

One of the bigger dangers of these quacks is that they often act as if they were real physicians. nt LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #83