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33. Caution is the watchword in tinkering with complex systems

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Fri Sep 4, 2015, 04:42 PM

Sep 2015

The introduction of new processes that do not exist in nature creates a cascade of change that this puny science cannot predict, much less control. Burn one stick, look! Civilisation had no effect on starfish populations...burn a forest, pollute a river, change the climate...does civilisation have an impact on starfish populations? And what does that have to do with the human experience on earth? We don't have the right values, we don't ask the right questions, we don' t have models sufficient to predict...and yet we splice genetic material from non food life forms into food life forms so that our food cand create and retain poison...and say look, nobody is dying right now. Its safe! Science says so! Like monkeys using land mines to crack coconuts.

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I Used to Work as a Scientist with GMOs—Now I'm Having Serious Second Thoughts About The Risks [View all] nationalize the fed Sep 2015 OP

So we are going to become immune to weed killer? Rex Sep 2015 #1

+1,000,000 ... 000 HuckleB Sep 2015 #2

If I smoke enough of it will my body just start producing the THC? Rex Sep 2015 #5

Maybe you can make those alt med colleges in Oregon legit! HuckleB Sep 2015 #10

We will start with a new college wide curriculum and syllabus! Rex Sep 2015 #11

No, we're breeding superweed! nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2015 #76

Interesting background regarding the author. HuckleB Sep 2015 #3

The DVD "The Word According to Monsanto" discusses how Monsanto attacks any critics. n/t Skwmom Sep 2015 #6

A non-peer reviewed attack movie claims that others act unethically? HuckleB Sep 2015 #8

There is no such evidence. immoderate Sep 2015 #12

I too like to call things "attacks" simply because they don't hold the same position as I do LanternWaste Sep 2015 #16

Your response seems to have missed the context of the actual discussion. HuckleB Sep 2015 #17

Watch out, or she'll call you a half-wit Orrex Sep 2015 #48

Oh, I am a quarter-wit, so no problem there. HuckleB Sep 2015 #50

Nice! Orrex Sep 2015 #55

Multiplication is hard. Don't scare people!!! HuckleB Sep 2015 #56

you mean the evidence provided by Monsanto's scientists? noiretextatique Sep 2015 #18

You mean a claim that the movie made that is not valid in reality? HuckleB Sep 2015 #19

There's a lot on that link. GitRDun Sep 2015 #27

This "scientists" theory is not supported by science. HuckleB Sep 2015 #32

Who's Seralini? n/t GitRDun Sep 2015 #34

Google: Seralini Science Based Medicine. HuckleB Sep 2015 #37

OK I see he's a guy that did an ant-GMO study that had to be retracted. GitRDun Sep 2015 #42

No, everything he has done about GMOs has been shown to be baseless. HuckleB Sep 2015 #51

I don't fail to realize it because you provide no information, just hyperbole GitRDun Sep 2015 #60

You're not new to this topic at all. HuckleB Sep 2015 #63

hahahahahaha my responses? GitRDun Sep 2015 #70

And Cherry Picking hits the board. HuckleB Sep 2015 #71

I don't know anything about the topic, how can I prove anything? GitRDun Sep 2015 #72

...so the Pro crowd is using Ad Executives and Monsanto Lobbyists to certify their "science"? bvar22 Sep 2015 #104

One thing I have learned GitRDun Sep 2015 #105

Let's suppose GMOs are safe, of which I am in no way convinced... Hun Joro Sep 2015 #38

Roundup is not a GMO. HuckleB Sep 2015 #97

Roundup is widely used on GMO Roundup-Ready crops. Hun Joro Sep 2015 #106

It is used on many non-GMO crops. HuckleB Sep 2015 #116

Show me several decades of evidence as to the safety of GMO's, Mr HuckleB. truedelphi Sep 2015 #39

That's a whole stew of conspiracy via bad correlation. HuckleB Sep 2015 #95

Of course there is a lot of "research" on GMO's -- truedelphi Sep 2015 #107

And your anti-science nonsense continues. HuckleB Sep 2015 #109

No evidence from science shows GMOs to be safe... modestybl Sep 2015 #45

Your post is completely based in fiction. HuckleB Sep 2015 #49

And of course all the European countries totally agree with you... NOT. erronis Sep 2015 #58

"The European Countries." HuckleB Sep 2015 #61

The drones have become a bit more human-seeming. erronis Sep 2015 #65

And the shill gambit hits!!!! Shocking. HuckleB Sep 2015 #67

Maybe....it is because the science doesn't support them? (nt) LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #74

It's all a conspiracy. NuclearDem Sep 2015 #96

Can YOU support your claims with actual Science? bvar22 Sep 2015 #103

I have done so. HuckleB Sep 2015 #111

Tens of millions of people in Europe stand with the science done by Serralini. truedelphi Sep 2015 #108

No, they don't. HuckleB Sep 2015 #110

You are simply wrong... and of course offer nothing to back up your claim... modestybl Sep 2015 #100

UCS has long been criticized for its anti-science posts about GMOs. HuckleB Sep 2015 #114

Criticized by scientists whose grants are funded by the industry? modestybl Sep 2015 #148

You actually linked to Seralini's group? HuckleB Sep 2015 #151

Ad hominem attacks or industry propaganda does not make an argument... modestybl Sep 2015 #156

BTW, industry-backed attacks does not equal "debunking" modestybl Sep 2015 #157

Seralini fan Major Nikon Sep 2015 #14

Yikes. I hadn't quite gotten that far. HuckleB Sep 2015 #15

What's your background? brentspeak Sep 2015 #91

In other words, you can't discuss the topic. HuckleB Sep 2015 #94

DVDs (Genetic Roulette,The World According to Monsanto) Book (Altered Genes, Twisted Truth.. Skwmom Sep 2015 #4

Bad propaganda by people who don't understand how science works is not worth watching. HuckleB Sep 2015 #9

(A very RESPECTED) Scientist that discovered GMO health hazards immediately fired, Skwmom Sep 2015 #29

Respected by Natural News? HuckleB Sep 2015 #31

I just googled to find a reference, but it is a well known fact that it occurred. n/t Skwmom Sep 2015 #86

LOL! Conspiracy web pages are so much fun. Oh, goodness. HuckleB Sep 2015 #89

Green for victory!!...nt SidDithers Sep 2015 #7

Bookmarked libodem Sep 2015 #13

So you recommended this without reading it, and questioning it? HuckleB Sep 2015 #20

I recently served on a jury for your impertinent comments libodem Sep 2015 #21

So you don't have anything to say about the topic, just about me. HuckleB Sep 2015 #23

Thanks for posting, nationalize the fed. There must become a mass movement against gmos. Dont call me Shirley Sep 2015 #22

Can we please just have food that is naturally occurring me b zola Sep 2015 #24

Most of us want to continue eating. HuckleB Sep 2015 #25

Pesticides Glassunion Sep 2015 #28

You might want to look at things a bit more globally. HuckleB Sep 2015 #30

I'm not against GMOs. Glassunion Sep 2015 #40

So then read what I posted, and respond to the content of that post. HuckleB Sep 2015 #53

It is only okay with the Corporate-controlled government agencies and truedelphi Sep 2015 #35

Naturally occuring, as if other forms of breeding crops is natural. Nailzberg Sep 2015 #120

Yawn. NuclearDem Sep 2015 #26

What a stupid comment. Yawn a bit more and have a cucumber. erronis Sep 2015 #62

Speaking of stupid comments. NuclearDem Sep 2015 #75

Caution is the watchword in tinkering with complex systems Fairgo Sep 2015 #33

And yet GE technology changes the fewest number of genes and is studied the most, by far. HuckleB Sep 2015 #36

Actually every single cell truedelphi Sep 2015 #131

Every single cell of any plant from all seed development technologies is changed. HuckleB Sep 2015 #137

Chaos theory PADemD Sep 2015 #44

... Duppers Sep 2015 #47

I see the usual suspects are here to shit on anything that threatens their... blackspade Sep 2015 #41

Yawn. NuclearDem Sep 2015 #43

I agree, your schtick is getting old. blackspade Sep 2015 #52

Reality is a really bad Schtick. HuckleB Sep 2015 #54

Your so right. The reality of GMO propagandists is a really bad schtick. blackspade Sep 2015 #59

Anti-GMO lies are always lies. No argument about that. HuckleB Sep 2015 #64

Ah, Facts are lies now... blackspade Sep 2015 #66

Name one fact that is a lie in your bizarre, Orwellian universe. HuckleB Sep 2015 #68

Oh noes! Not again! blackspade Sep 2015 #79

As usual, you can't support any of your claims. HuckleB Sep 2015 #81

And what claim would that be? blackspade Sep 2015 #92

Your concern is that critics of this nonsense OP will be here. HuckleB Sep 2015 #93

My 'concern' is that legitimate issues with GMO and GMO related... blackspade Sep 2015 #102

When it comes to actual science, there is not much of a middle. HuckleB Sep 2015 #115

Actually there seems to be quite a bit of middle ground on a variety of fronts. blackspade Sep 2015 #122

The Grist series is great, and it makes reality very clear. HuckleB Sep 2015 #125

I think you may need to re read my post. blackspade Sep 2015 #133

No, you didn't answer the question. HuckleB Sep 2015 #134

So much for a constructive conversation. blackspade Sep 2015 #138

Since you have chosen to ignore most information that goes against your preconceptions... HuckleB Sep 2015 #139

So you have reduced yourself to post stalking now.... blackspade Sep 2015 #140

I'm just making sure that we're clear here. HuckleB Sep 2015 #141

You still haven't answered my question..... blackspade Sep 2015 #142

I have a lot of nice organic, non-GM popcorn around. truedelphi Sep 2015 #121

There is no GMO popcorn. HuckleB Sep 2015 #126

So technically I was incorrect. truedelphi Sep 2015 #130

There's nothing technical about it. And you're wrong about your new claim, as well. HuckleB Sep 2015 #135

Why do you hate reality? HuckleB Sep 2015 #57

Seriously, you need sleep. LeftOfWest Sep 2015 #132

I was asleep long before your meaningless post. HuckleB Sep 2015 #136

What tipped you off? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2015 #77

Snort! blackspade Sep 2015 #80

DERP. HuckleB Sep 2015 #84

Oh, that's right, you're the guy who can't handle actual science. HuckleB Sep 2015 #85

Bookmarked. Thank you for posting this. Duppers Sep 2015 #46

Label GMOs and let the free market decide. My family will continue eating organic, & free range peacebird Sep 2015 #69

Yep. Juicy_Bellows Sep 2015 #78

In other words, you don't need fake labels. HuckleB Sep 2015 #83

What a word salad. NutmegYankee Sep 2015 #73

Prove your ridiculous claim with word by word evidence. HuckleB Sep 2015 #82

Simple. NutmegYankee Sep 2015 #87

I'm curious. NutmegYankee Sep 2015 #99

This Guy Made The American Loons List For His Bad Science HuckleB Sep 2015 #88

Some guy with a blog protecting Industry is not "science". eom cprise Sep 2015 #123

Some folks who actually care about science showing reality is science. HuckleB Sep 2015 #128

That was back in Senator Obama's unscientific phase. Wall Street has taught him all about GoneFishin Sep 2015 #90

The anti-GMO Million Dollar Question. HuckleB Sep 2015 #98

The heavy doses of Round-up many GMO's have been engineered to withstand. pnwmom Sep 2015 #113

Unlike what pesticides? Major Nikon Sep 2015 #153

Evidently any attempts to answer that question have sputtered and fizzled out Major Nikon Sep 2015 #152

Predictably, the Monsanto shareholders among us chimed in first villager Sep 2015 #101

The big question for you and all people who make such ugly attacks. HuckleB Sep 2015 #112

Here's the really fun part Major Nikon Sep 2015 #144

And you can't!!!! HuckleB Sep 2015 #117

A scientist, and he cites wiki? Nailzberg Sep 2015 #118

I eat reeses almost daily ecstatic Sep 2015 #119

This GMO crap has infiltrated the entire US food supply nationalize the fed Sep 2015 #124

Why do you think it's ok to call safe food "crap?" HuckleB Sep 2015 #127

"a protein-based toxin"... thecrow Sep 2015 #129

It's possible the decline in the pirate population is causing global warming Major Nikon Sep 2015 #143

WTF, Nikon? thecrow Sep 2015 #146

You stole my line! Major Nikon Sep 2015 #147

Kick to read later PatSeg Sep 2015 #145

Just say no to the GMO. nt Zorra Sep 2015 #149

also reading & real science. Bonx Sep 2015 #150

But that doesn't rhyme Major Nikon Sep 2015 #154

Why? HuckleB Sep 2015 #155