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In reply to the discussion: Attention Atheist, can you please do me a favor and listen to me....... [View all]Cal33
(7,018 posts)Einstein couldn't believe that there could be such order throughout the entire universe,
without there being also some Supreme Intelligence present to sustain it. He followed
no particular religion.
Maybe I could tell you something about near-death experiences: Some 50, 60 years
ago, when someone was clinically dead, few ever came back to life again. Today,
because of improved resuscitation methods, it has become a common thing. In this
country alone, there are over a million people who have been brought back to life after
their breathing and heart-beats had stopped, their irises dilated, and their electro-
encephalograms (EEGs) flat-lined (signifying brain-death).
Among the survivors some 8% have such stories to tell of what they had seen and
experienced when they were clinically dead. Now it's becoming more accepted, but
half a century ago, few of them said anything to anyone. In the first place, they,
themselves, could hardly believe what they had experienced. Many thought they
were going crazy, and they certainly were not going to tell others,, because these
were surely going to think them crazy, too. But a few did tell, and of course, they
were thought to be hallucinating....etc..... Today, few experienced surgeons haven't
come across such cases. Most of them remain non-believers, but they can't find any
rational explanations for the astounding things their surviving patients could and did
tell them either.
And this has been happening all over the world. Beginning 30 to 40 years ago, some
people, including scientists, became curious and interested enough to start studying
these cases seriously and systematically. Foundations sprang up -- some of them
became not only large, but also international. I will leave a couple of links below.
But first, I'll briefly give you an example of what a near-death experiencer had told,
and which I found highly impressive:
A born-blind female patient was on the operating table undergoing abdominal
surgery. Suddenly her heart stopped, as did her breathing. The doctors and
nurses worked quickly to resuscitate her. Then her EEG flat-lined. They kept
working feverishly on her. The resuscitation efforts lasted several minutes.
Then the patient revived.
From what the patient told the medical personnel later: She felt herself pop out
of and rise from her body. She saw her own body on the operating table, and the
doctors and nurses working on it, and heard what they were saying to each other.
Oddly enough she was feeling peaceful and calm, and there was no pain. She
remained floating at the ceiling watching all that was going on below. Then she
suddenly felt herself being drawn down towards and into her body again, and knew
nothing more until she awoke in the Intensive Care Unit. She was still blind.
The doctors and nurses she spoke to later were incredulous. How could she have
seen and heard all the things she did when she was unconscious and under general
anesthesia, in addition to having been born blind, and was still blind? Yet there was
no denying that what she had reported about what the medical personnel were
saying to each other was quite accurate. They could find no scientific explanation.
Those who believe in the existence of God, of course, believe that the patient was
seeing and hearing what her soul was seeing and hearing.
The above case had only a brief experience. Those souls who had deeper experiences
had more information to give of what they had experienced while on "the other side."
Here are the links of the International Association for Near-Death Studies and the
Near-Death Experience Research Foundation:
http://www.iands.org
http://www.nderf.org