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cstanleytech

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106. Now what I was discussing was not the post that started the topic but rather the one

Tue May 22, 2012, 12:17 AM

May 2012

here http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=710382

"Any Democrat who does not forcefully and unequivocally condemn this blatant police violence is complicit with it. That includes Obama and you."

Thats the with us or against us area or in this case his argument is we must condemn "this" instance where as the truth is unless we were there ourselves to witness it how can we say with any certainty if there was true blatant police violence or if they used the force necessary for the situation?
If it happened though then sure by all means it was wrong but right here and now its just to early to really be sure whats going on let alone to be condemning anything or for that matter to be demanding people condemn something.

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Chicago: You've made me ashamed to call myself American [View all] coalition_unwilling May 2012 OP

and how is this the fault of the Democrats that you are ashamed to call yourself? I can see someone still_one May 2012 #1

Um, Rahm Emmanuel (mayor of Chicago) was Obama's first coalition_unwilling May 2012 #2

Then blame Emmanuel, that is all my point is /nt still_one May 2012 #4

Where did blame come into this thread? I said I 'feel ashamed'. But, since coalition_unwilling May 2012 #6

Uh, YOU brought blame into this thread in #2 skepticscott May 2012 #32

I agree with you. Seems overwrought. demgrrrll May 2012 #5

I defy you to feel anything other than ashamed after you view pictures in this thread: coalition_unwilling May 2012 #9

Now where I have heard something like that before......oh I know!!! cstanleytech May 2012 #12

Great, now I'm being compared to a murderous sociopath. I guess coalition_unwilling May 2012 #13

That would be because your using a similar argument that he used. cstanleytech May 2012 #18

Gawd, would you please use apostrophes correctly and avoid excessive coalition_unwilling May 2012 #19

"Both are hallmarks of sloppy thinking and encourage same." cstanleytech May 2012 #22

And the winner of this round is...... joeglow3 May 2012 #60

the double negatives keep people from seeing the false comparison. so it's not a mere grammar HiPointDem May 2012 #62

you've misstated the comparison. HiPointDem May 2012 #48

No, its an apt comparison to make as Bush did tell everyone that if they werent with him they were cstanleytech May 2012 #53

your comparison was between: HiPointDem May 2012 #58

HiPointDem is absolutely correct, you can't just re-write the posters words Dragonfli May 2012 #63

I do not agree with your opinion but I do respect you for speaking your mind. cstanleytech May 2012 #67

With him on what? I have already asked and am waiting for a reply. sabrina 1 May 2012 #97

You posted it 3 minutes before this one, show some patience. nt cstanleytech May 2012 #103

Excuse me? When Bush said that, because it seems you forget the context, sabrina 1 May 2012 #96

Now what I was discussing was not the post that started the topic but rather the one cstanleytech May 2012 #106

Again, how is asking our Party to stand up for Constitutional rights in any way equivalent to Bush sabrina 1 May 2012 #108

Because they both in essence demand that people do x and if they dont then they are the enemy cstanleytech May 2012 #111

Still not seeing a remote connection between asking that your Party do what is right, and an elected sabrina 1 May 2012 #112

Then I apologize for being unable cstanleytech May 2012 #113

You're deeply ashamed that you ONCE called yourself a Democrat? So, what are you now? BlueCaliDem May 2012 #3

Um, you do know that Rahm Emmanuel is Mayor of Chicago and was coalition_unwilling May 2012 #7

Thank God that the lovely Alma's wiser head prevailed :) pinboy3niner May 2012 #20

I am proud also, to be with Coalition and with you and all the other Democrats who have not suddenly sabrina 1 May 2012 #98

"Something is very wrong, a few people here seem to have forgotten what being a Democrat means." Dragonfli May 2012 #99

The actions of the Chicago police have everthing to do with the Democratic mayor who sabrina 1 May 2012 #109

thank you FirstLight May 2012 #8

I am so upset. My friends from Los Angeles were there today and could easily coalition_unwilling May 2012 #10

... FirstLight May 2012 #11

You get used to being disparaged by unthoughtful people that think this is a sporting event Dragonfli May 2012 #66

I have friends from L.A. in Chicago as well.. Wish I was there myself. U4ikLefty May 2012 #107

Remembering 68 The Wizard May 2012 #14

Back then the media was more honest and called it for what it was, a coalition_unwilling May 2012 #15

Good point. nt Smarmie Doofus May 2012 #33

Real news and honest journalism The Wizard May 2012 #55

Alternatives jambo101 May 2012 #16

Post removed Post removed May 2012 #17

Holding oneself to a higher standard jambo101 May 2012 #23

It should be pointed out... pinboy3niner May 2012 #28

I'm sorry he is locked out, he is obviously hurting from the atrocities. Mc Mike May 2012 #30

Learning about the forum jambo101 May 2012 #31

You did the right thing skepticscott May 2012 #34

Nah. Coalition could easily have restrained himself. pinboy3niner May 2012 #37

Well, it usually IS the case skepticscott May 2012 #46

Why do you keep claiming peacefull protestors are the aggressors here? Dragonfli May 2012 #68

And don't forget to take a look at this thread, either. randome May 2012 #71

I see cops pushing into people trying to get them to use their poster sticks Dragonfli May 2012 #78

I'm sure that will be ignored skepticscott May 2012 #80

It feels like a police state when it is your ribs being broken and they steal your camera Dragonfli May 2012 #85

When you've lived for decades skepticscott May 2012 #89

So in your opinion, only stage four cancer is REAL cancer. Dragonfli May 2012 #93

No, in my opinion skepticscott May 2012 #115

Some of us acknowlege we know enough to not know enough. randome May 2012 #117

Where did I ever say skepticscott May 2012 #72

You implied in a few threads that the police rioting was because Dragonfli May 2012 #76

Funny the trouble you went to skepticscott May 2012 #79

I do not agree no, such cases are rare enough as to be negligable, I did answer, you just need Dragonfli May 2012 #84

You seem to need to skepticscott May 2012 #91

I think you need to be on the ground, there is much to learn /nt Dragonfli May 2012 #95

It is easier to throw out accusations over a keyboard U4ikLefty May 2012 #101

You seem to have a strong need skepticscott May 2012 #114

For the third fucking time, No, I do not agree with your false equivalency! Dragonfli May 2012 #123

Except that you didn't answer the question I asked skepticscott May 2012 #126

BTW, see post 122 skepticscott May 2012 #127

Oh, and here's the link skepticscott May 2012 #128

You are still full of shit, I answered you, but you will only be happy if I Dragonfli May 2012 #129

Nice last ditch effort skepticscott May 2012 #130

That "newbie" also attacked Mr. Scorpio in another thread. nt TBF May 2012 #35

This message was self-deleted by its author jambo101 May 2012 #59

democratics? too cute. you're not fooling anyone. HiPointDem May 2012 #61

Fooling? jambo101 May 2012 #69

You're only fooling those with an agenda, apparently. randome May 2012 #70

yes, calling the democratic party the "democrat party" shows no agenda whatsoever. HiPointDem May 2012 #73

Maybe he didn't get the memo. He is new, after all. randome May 2012 #74

no one calls the democratic party the "democrat party" but wingnuts. and then when corrected HiPointDem May 2012 #75

Socialist leanings????????.......... socialist_n_TN May 2012 #86

Quasi socialist jambo101 May 2012 #116

Quasi Kenyesian......... socialist_n_TN May 2012 #118

Kenysian leaning.. jambo101 May 2012 #119

Keynes was NOT a socialist UNLESS.......... socialist_n_TN May 2012 #131

I have no doubt that there are infiltrators who attempt to cause trouble in any large protest. Rhiannon12866 May 2012 #24

...by the way, it's "Democratic Party" not "Democrat" party. cyberswede May 2012 #38

51 posts and you are telling long time DUers to go to a Republican site? Bluenorthwest May 2012 #41

that poster also speaks of "the democrat party". hmm, where have i heard *that* codespeak before? HiPointDem May 2012 #52

the claim that the chicago police busted heads because of protesters with masks and projectiles HiPointDem May 2012 #49

Link ananda May 2012 #21

I think its to early to make rash judgement calls on cstanleytech May 2012 #25

What is not rash ... ananda May 2012 #26

Thats not the only solution. cstanleytech May 2012 #27

Yeah, that really works when both "sides" use the police U4ikLefty May 2012 #102

There are still a ton of good rank-and-file Dems out there, c_u. Mc Mike May 2012 #29

REC! SammyWinstonJack May 2012 #36

Really? LynneSin May 2012 #39

The Chicago protest was ineffective. randome May 2012 #40

Wow. All the extreme proclaimations as to 'no one' remembering 'anything' will not alter Bluenorthwest May 2012 #43

Since I can't see 44 years into the future, I was referring to what the story has become today. randome May 2012 #44

The NATO protest IS about income inequality......... socialist_n_TN May 2012 #81

More accurately: "When randome posts, shit will happen" pinboy3niner May 2012 #45

You notice that too? Rex May 2012 #47

I have always advocated MORE mass protests. randome May 2012 #56

Protesting NATO IS about income inequality.......... socialist_n_TN May 2012 #83

gee, i didn't realize there'd already been a trial. and if "no one remembers anything about nato," HiPointDem May 2012 #50

I'm not trying to put OWS down. I want MORE protests, not fewer. randome May 2012 #57

You do realize those documents were written by those that are simply making that claim. Dragonfli May 2012 #82

it was very effective in terms of facebook updates datasuspect May 2012 #120

Your complaints will fall on deaf ears... Comrade_McKenzie May 2012 #42

Hey, Rahm! 1968 called. KamaAina May 2012 #51

I'm just glad I don't live there. Bake May 2012 #54

we went through BushCo 2x... WhaTHellsgoingonhere May 2012 #64

Don't you know police states are okay as long as a Democrat is in charge? alarimer May 2012 #65

This has nothing to do with Obama or Dems Zax2me May 2012 #77

I agree, Rahm has never been a Democrat, he simply registered as one. /nt Dragonfli May 2012 #87

It does if they don't condemn these bullshit....... socialist_n_TN May 2012 #90

Happened to me there in '68 HarveyDarkey May 2012 #88

I would like to thank you for your service Dragonfli May 2012 #100

So it wasn't the assassination of 2 American citizens in Yemen last year? Neue Regel May 2012 #92

So now we're not going to just broad brush the cops but all of a city treestar May 2012 #94

No, not "we" ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2012 #105

Rahm is the worst excuse of a Democrat I've ever seen. Odin2005 May 2012 #104

No, that was Lieberman though thankfully he will soon be out of office. cstanleytech May 2012 #110

rahm is a shitstain datasuspect May 2012 #121

.......And what part of the video over at KOS of the"Black Bloc" cliffordu May 2012 #122

+1 Tarheel_Dem May 2012 #124

This was written by Andy Thayer, right? Are you Andy? heaven knows May 2012 #125