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LeftishBrit

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109. This seems to be a Tea Party meme, adapted and photoshopped

Reply to Playinghardball (Original post)

Sun Sep 6, 2015, 09:16 AM

Sep 2015

I was puzzled by the 'over 6 million' figure, which would refer not to those persuaded by Hitler, but to the number of Jews killed in the Holocaust; the total number of Holocaust victims is around 11 million. I thought at first that it might be a misprint for 'over 60 million' which could be a very approximate figure for the population of Germany at that time.

But I then checked and found several places on the Internet where this is posted, all right-wing, and mostly illustrated, not by the Fox News logo, but by an arm tattooed with a concentration camp number. So this is definitely referring to the Jews, and is incredibly insulting however it is taken: 'The Jews only got killed because they let themselves be duped'/ 'A relatively limited form of public healthcare, at least if established by a black president, is exactly the same thing as mass extermination'/ 'All human disasters including the Holocaust are caused by gun control'/ all of the above.

The earliest posting that I can find is this, from a Tea Party site:

http://teapartyorg.ning.com/photo/americans-following-the-same-path

This is not illustrated. But here is a version with the illustration I mentioned.

http://www.thelastgreatstand.com/2014/11/23/is-rand-paul-trying-to-warn-us-of-the-coming-internment-camps/

Pretty ugly stuff; ironically an example of the sort of vicious propaganda that can
be used by extremists.

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and it doesn't rinse before it repeats, either. elehhhhna Sep 2015 #105

Exactly. They are using the same methods the Third Reich did to keep their people indoctrinated Cleita Sep 2015 #4

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Another book for your reading list is They Thought They Were Free PufPuf23 Sep 2015 #29

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+2 hifiguy Sep 2015 #185

MSM >>> Paul Joseph Goebbels n/t RKP5637 Sep 2015 #54

The 6 million VICTIMS of the Holocaust were not "indoctrinated", they were slaughtered! scarletwoman Sep 2015 #64

So you agree with Fox News? Cleita Sep 2015 #69

I'm saying that the meme in the OP, which uses the number 6 million, is dead wrong and offensive. scarletwoman Sep 2015 #70

"Over six million" not six million. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #72

If it does not refer to the victims, then why isn't the number anywhere CLOSE to actual population scarletwoman Sep 2015 #75

Welll meant,but not well informed. The intention of the post was clear. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #77

The meaning of the post is not clear. Chef Eric Sep 2015 #99

It is confused. I agree. But the gist is clear to me. The DUer is talking about the JDPriestly Sep 2015 #170

It's not "confused", the OP grabbed a right wing Tea Party graphic that intentionally blames the scarletwoman Sep 2015 #173

I tend to want to read the best intentions into posts. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #174

I'm sorry, but I don't think having the "best intentions" excuses letting an egregious error stand. scarletwoman Sep 2015 #177

as Germany had a population of around 70 million and as the number of cali Sep 2015 #95

Yes it is. The author connects the number 6 million with the Holocaust and does not know JDPriestly Sep 2015 #171

Over six-million still refers to the victims. Six-million jwirr Sep 2015 #113

But the victims did not follow what was going on in the majority of the country. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #168

Even when it was happening to them? They had always jwirr Sep 2015 #182

You do know that many of those victims boarded the trains willingly Cleita Sep 2015 #74

omg. your post couldn't be more callous and wrong cali Sep 2015 #97

Before you get on your high horse, the point of gun came after Cleita Sep 2015 #111

you're still incorrect regarding the facts. cali Sep 2015 #137

Whatever Cali. You have dug in your heels and no amount of facts will sway you. Cleita Sep 2015 #142

I have presented facts to you. you have chosen to ignore them. cali Sep 2015 #159

Here is the history of the concentration camps. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #172

Let me ask you this: If you are told to leave your home jwirr Sep 2015 #115

Undesirables among the Germans, not just Jews, had been made non-citizens Cleita Sep 2015 #126

Your last sentence is why some of us do not like the jwirr Sep 2015 #133

I'm a quarter German myself and have full-blooded German relatives Cleita Sep 2015 #135

This was sent to a jury a2liberal Sep 2015 #124

Boarded willingly? bvar22 Sep 2015 #155

This message was self-deleted by its author Cleita Sep 2015 #161

I know a great deal about what happened in the Holocaust. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #169

shameful. pointing out how offensive and sick the op is, is not endorsing Fox news. cali Sep 2015 #96

OP could have used better wordsmithing but the intent is obviously not to besmirch Cleita Sep 2015 #110

The problem is that it isn't wordsmithing by the OP author, it is the poster that rhett o rick Sep 2015 #132

Cali I doubt that the OP was meant the way you and I jwirr Sep 2015 #119

oh, I doubt it too, but that doesn't excuse it or lend any validity to it cali Sep 2015 #130

i admit i read it wrong originally questionseverything Sep 2015 #136

It is not even an ambiguous statement Generic Other Sep 2015 #138

I agree. I think the op misinterpreted the poster cali Sep 2015 #143

Agreed. Comparing Fox to the Holocaust is an offensive and ABURD overstatement whathehell Sep 2015 #141

+1... SidDithers Sep 2015 #179

I read Mine Kampf when I was a kid. ladyVet Sep 2015 #180

We have allowed our media to become propaganda to aid the extremely wealthy! Dustlawyer Sep 2015 #5

so...we take it back w0nderer Sep 2015 #37

Awesome! Dustlawyer Sep 2015 #73

The six million were victims. The question is how did they get ordinary Germans to go along. Arugula Latte Sep 2015 #6

That was a magnificent thing they asked them to join. It was love. Did you not see the movies? jtuck004 Sep 2015 #17

Yes...I just thought the wording in this photo was off. Arugula Latte Sep 2015 #30

I see what you are saying, it is incorrect. Conflates victims and perpetrators. n/t jtuck004 Sep 2015 #32

It's disgusting. And that 100 people recced this is not only pathetic it's cali Sep 2015 #46

and that's the danger w0nderer Sep 2015 #38

Kicked and recommended to the Max! Enthusiast Sep 2015 #7

it's not a reference to the German people. it's a reference to the Jews and cali Sep 2015 #48

It could be a reference to the victims Hydra Sep 2015 #80

Then why is the verbiage about the Holocaust and not about the Nazi regime or territorial Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #106

Good analogy of what is happening in Africa - the lies jwirr Sep 2015 #129

what is to be expected w0nderer Sep 2015 #8

You had incredible teachers. hifiguy Sep 2015 #15

They were above average for the time and place but not by much w0nderer Sep 2015 #20

my children are getting exactly that kind of educatuon lunasun Sep 2015 #81

I freaked town librarian out by reading many of those books on my own at about 10 or 11. She kept Mnemosyne Sep 2015 #83

Unfortunately most of our college students today are jwirr Sep 2015 #134

Literature is important too. bvar22 Sep 2015 #162

Absolutely agree. When we have this 2 year degree jwirr Sep 2015 #164

(despite this not being a US teacher or school) saidsimplesimon Sep 2015 #35

US was at that point one of the big powers, the other was USSR w0nderer Sep 2015 #36

I get the distinct feeling that Bernie has read hifiguy Sep 2015 #86

I second that. You had GREAT teachers. I didn't have anything like that. PatrickforO Sep 2015 #47

Bonus Points for who ever can ID the author of the following: bvar22 Sep 2015 #9

Goebbels would be too obvious... awoke_in_2003 Sep 2015 #12

Close. bvar22 Sep 2015 #14

I should have known awoke_in_2003 Sep 2015 #19

Trump is a lot more like Mussolini than Hitler. hifiguy Sep 2015 #22

I keep hearing that... awoke_in_2003 Sep 2015 #23

So much the same, a tactic to rally the herd. It's so reminiscent. n/t RKP5637 Sep 2015 #58

Also a different time and country w0nderer Sep 2015 #39

Yeah, our collective attention span sucks awoke_in_2003 Sep 2015 #44

*G* so glad w0nderer Sep 2015 #51

I have always been strange... awoke_in_2003 Sep 2015 #52

or it could be w0nderer Sep 2015 #56

I can do that as well. hifiguy Sep 2015 #93

I like a wide variety of books awoke_in_2003 Sep 2015 #94

I've been on a nearly year-long toot of reading hifiguy Sep 2015 #146

The mass American public has hifiguy Sep 2015 #87

Deliberately and willingly awoke_in_2003 Sep 2015 #88

"Most people would rather die than think. hifiguy Sep 2015 #89

I think it is not so much the training as the over jwirr Sep 2015 #145

I'm on the autism spectrum myself - dx'd Aspergers ten years ago - which explained everything.. hifiguy Sep 2015 #147

And for many I suspect when they shut things out jwirr Sep 2015 #148

oh i gets bonus points :) "41 64 6f 6c 66 20 48 69 74 6c 65 72" n/t w0nderer Sep 2015 #13

Yep. Got it. GoneFishin Sep 2015 #100

Eddy Bernays, Walter Lippman? appalachiablue Sep 2015 #59

I don't think it is crazy at all... awoke_in_2003 Sep 2015 #11

Ailes, along with Atwater and Rove hifiguy Sep 2015 #16

It is way past "just" fox news - Billions are being spent covertly to influence the masses newthinking Sep 2015 #40

Follow "blindly" is a stretch. Following what one thinks is self interest is a cultural trait that L. Coyote Sep 2015 #18

Read the latest article on 'club.orlov.com' by guest poster, Adam. eom. Joe Chi Minh Sep 2015 #21

Link didn't work for me BlancheSplanchnik Sep 2015 #25

My apologies, Blanche. It should be 'cluborlov.com', i.e. without the first period. You Joe Chi Minh Sep 2015 #101

Thanks, I am saving that on my phone --home screen!!! BlancheSplanchnik Sep 2015 #131

If you noticed the pattern years ago, BlancheSplanchnik Sep 2015 #24

Under the Ether . orpupilofnature57 Sep 2015 #27

The big difference is that the Nazis started assassinating political opponents. Kablooie Sep 2015 #28

Early days w0nderer Sep 2015 #31

Submitted for your approval: hifiguy Sep 2015 #92

I'm scared for him, too Aerows Sep 2015 #166

We are way past that - JFK, RFK, MLK, etc. jwirr Sep 2015 #140

this is true KT2000 Sep 2015 #33

Elements of authoritarianism abound long before Nazis appear. DirkGently Sep 2015 #34

OH MY GOD, YOU ARE SO ACCURATE. i HAVE BEEN SAYING THIS SINCE THE rladdi Sep 2015 #43

Am I the only one who finds this unbelievably sick and offensive? cali Sep 2015 #45

Well, the text on the original post is a bit strange as there were 66 million people in Germany in PatrickforO Sep 2015 #50

+1 and i'm sure most of us will n/t w0nderer Sep 2015 #79

No, I'm with you. The OP is unbelievably offensive. scarletwoman Sep 2015 #55

Actually, the 6 million likely refers to Jews. Behind the Aegis Sep 2015 #61

yes, I think they really are that ignorant. cali Sep 2015 #63

I echo your concerns. Behind the Aegis Sep 2015 #60

yes, it's almost certainly ignorance, but I'm shocked that so many duers are this ignorant cali Sep 2015 #62

I honestly think people are misreading it. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2015 #76

I agree. I think the reaction in this thread is aimed at the idea that some in the USofA rhett o rick Sep 2015 #117

Yeah, on second look, the poster is pretty offensive. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2015 #149

I agree. nm rhett o rick Sep 2015 #158

Given some of the posts I have recently seen... Behind the Aegis Sep 2015 #78

This is completely and incredibly vile ismnotwasm Sep 2015 #107

the ignorance on parade in this thread is just pathetic. cali Sep 2015 #49

Life aways seems to advance in cycles, forward some, and then backward some ... RKP5637 Sep 2015 #53

Frankly, I find this OP to be hyperbole. Snobblevitch Sep 2015 #65

I know college-educated people who think Obama is a born-in-Kenya Muslim Skittles Sep 2015 #84

There is no accounting for some people. Snobblevitch Sep 2015 #85

it's not just "some people" Skittles Sep 2015 #91

Among the other ways in which humanity can be divided into two camps hifiguy Sep 2015 #150

I know people that think 6 million and 11 million are the same number. Rex Sep 2015 #116

OMG ARE YOU SERIOUS? Skittles Sep 2015 #163

Godwin can go fuck himself. He made up a fake law to see how fast it would spread. merrily Sep 2015 #153

Exactly!! gopiscrap Sep 2015 #66

for the nitpicky of the graphic w0nderer Sep 2015 #67

that you and so many others here believe that the Jews followed Hitler blindly cali Sep 2015 #98

summed up briefly (summary of last 2 large paragraphs from my entry) *slow applause* n/t w0nderer Sep 2015 #175

fox is the visual icing on talk radio's lie turd pie- talk radio's idiot little brother certainot Sep 2015 #71

I couldn't agree more, but the OP has their numbers wrong. YOHABLO Sep 2015 #82

GOEBBELSVISION! Chasstev365 Sep 2015 #102

Holy Shit. The 6 Million were Jewish victims of that Holocaust not blind followers, the German Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #103

Funny, the only place I've ever seen this meme is in the status updates of my right wing and Brickbat Sep 2015 #108

This seems to be a Tea Party meme, adapted and photoshopped LeftishBrit Sep 2015 #109

Thank you. I wish the OP would return to this thread and understand that the graphic he grabbed scarletwoman Sep 2015 #160

I think the poster is referring to the Jews who were jwirr Sep 2015 #112

K&R for pissing off the Right people! Rex Sep 2015 #114

I don't see that reaction toward Fox News but I didnt read every post either. The consternation rhett o rick Sep 2015 #118

seriously? you actually believe that the diverse people criticizing the op are cali Sep 2015 #121

Post removed Post removed Sep 2015 #123

Rex, this OP is more like FoxNews than FoxNews. Those of us who oppose this OP also oppose FoxNews Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #152

Did you recognize that the poster is referring to the 6 million Jews that were victims of the rhett o rick Sep 2015 #120

8 million people joined the Nazi party, not every German was a Nazi. Rex Sep 2015 #125

We are having a discussion. Not all agree with you. That doesn't mean we are rhett o rick Sep 2015 #128

20,700,000 Germans served in the Wehrmacht alone, all following orders from and considered by Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #154

Unrecommending. Old Crow Sep 2015 #139

But this time liberals and gays will be the new jews Pharaoh Sep 2015 #122

Propaganda Plus colsohlibgal Sep 2015 #144

Not fer nutthin, but 12 million people were murdered in the Holocaust, of whom 6 million were Jews. merrily Sep 2015 #151

Yeah, we get it too, but the intent is being misunderstood by some. OP needed a better way RKP5637 Sep 2015 #181

Exactly. I am very sure that the OP meant nothing but good. merrily Sep 2015 #184

It would make a lil more sense if it implied the German people let it happen DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2015 #156

Fox News is not a news organization Gothmog Sep 2015 #157

In general, people irritate me enough Aerows Sep 2015 #165

Controlling illegal immigration is the same thing as the holocaust? TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2015 #178

... SidDithers Sep 2015 #183