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In reply to the discussion: When Racism Slips Into Everyday Speech [View all]tblue37
(68,472 posts)47. Re: "call a spade a spade"
An earlier expression of the notion, albeit in different form to that which we now use, comes from Nicolas Udall's 'Apophthegmes, that is to saie, prompte saiynges. First gathered by Erasmus' - translated in 1542 <emphasis added>:
This refers back to Plutarch's Apophthegmata.
http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/call-a-spade-a-spade.html
"Philippus aunswered, that the Macedonians wer feloes of no fyne witte in their termes but altogether grosse, clubbyshe, and rusticall, as they whiche had not the witte to calle a spade by any other name then a spade."
This refers back to Plutarch's Apophthegmata.
http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/call-a-spade-a-spade.html
IOW, the Macedonians were so rustic and unrefined that they did not have a varied or sophisticated vocabulary. Instead of having a wealth of refined words to choose from, they had nothing to call their ordinary tools by except for their ordinary (i.e., vulgar) names.
Eventually, "calling a spade a spade" became a claim of integrity, when seeming to be a "man of the people" rather than a member of the elite became a desirable mask for those seeking the favor of the populace (to garner votes, for example), claiming to be an honest, plain-spoken man, one who "calls a spade a spade," rather than one of those "pointy-headed intellectuals" or one of those "nattering nabobs of negativism" who have all sorts of fancy-pants words for beating around the bush or snowing people with obscure language in order to confuse them and to pull a fast one on them.
(W's fake ranch, his fake Texas accent, and his pretense of always having to clear brush were all attempts to come across as such a plain man of the people rather than as the spoiled, well-connected rich kid he really was. Notice how his campaign used "intellectual" as a slur against both Gore and Kerry, as though being smart and educated were shameful. Of course, W had served his time at Ivy League schools, though his Yale undergrad degree and his Harvard MBA were almost certainly based on "gentleman's Cs" rather than on his academic performance.)
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There is plenty of ACTUAL racism to be found these days. There is really no need
jonno99
Sep 2015
#3
What specifically leads you to believe that particulars of etymology generates discord?
LanternWaste
Sep 2015
#23
Personally I'm a fan of studying etymology. What "leads me to believe" (and I could be wrong with
jonno99
Sep 2015
#33
Indeed, it is quite interesting to learn the etiology of words and phrases.
uppityperson
Sep 2015
#6
Eh. A few of these are just wrong. They're Internet memes without any real truth.
Xithras
Sep 2015
#5
Perpetually offended? Are you a minority or are you a white person therefore privileged?
randys1
Sep 2015
#26
"Eenie meenie miney mo" actually IS racist. It's one of a handful she got right.
Xithras
Sep 2015
#17
So when my 6-year old nephew does "eenie meenie minie mo, catch a tiger by the toe"
Nye Bevan
Sep 2015
#21
Bert Fitzgibbons, who is listed in your link as the author, wrote minstrel shows
gollygee
Sep 2015
#83
Except running around with a pointy white hood is still recognized as clearly racist
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
Sep 2015
#74
A Washington, DC city councilmember created a huge uproar by using "niggardly"
KamaAina
Sep 2015
#20
George Carlin would tell us not to discard words but discard from civility the assholes
randys1
Sep 2015
#28
Except niggardly has none of those problems and is usually used quite properly.
whatthehey
Sep 2015
#96
But "thing" just doesn't make sense in that context. What "thing"? There was no
tblue37
Sep 2015
#65
"The word 'picnic' originated with crowds gathering to witness lynchings"- Snopes says FALSE
Nye Bevan
Sep 2015
#16
Please don't use the word "unsavory". It rhymes with "fun slavery", so is best avoided.
Nye Bevan
Sep 2015
#29
Doesn't the "peanut gallery" refer to cheap seats? Even in parts of the country with very few
pnwmom
Sep 2015
#31
Baby Boomers learned "the Peanut Gallery" from the show "Pinky Lee." NPR can just get over it.
WinkyDink
Sep 2015
#50
They also left room for the "neener neener neener, you're a bad person if you use this" scold.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
Sep 2015
#89
It's sad that ignorance (and fantasy etymology) is so much stronger than knowledge.
Romulox
Sep 2015
#115