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In reply to the discussion: When Racism Slips Into Everyday Speech [View all]DirkGently
(12,151 posts)48. That's not the consensus on "peanut gallery."
It comes from vaudeville, and although there is some basis to connect it to segregation, that is not the consensus opinion.
Those who typically inhabited the cheap seats were known to be rowdy, and free with their constructive criticism of the show, which would often be expressed in physical terms such as by throwing anything conveniently at hand. As peanuts were a common concession snack for vaudeville shows, unpopular performers would often find themselves pelted with the easy-to-hurl, edible projectiles, not unlike The Beatles during their 1964 U.S. tour. (See: When the Beatles Were Pelted with Jelly Beans)
Others disagree, in part, with the preceding class-based, rather than racial, claim. They note that in the past, cheap balcony seats were often reserved for, or largely made up of, African American patrons. Thus, since the phrase implies that the opinions expressed by those from the gallery were unsolicited, unwarranted and unhelpful, the phrase also connotes something negative about those giving them, purported to be African Americans.
That said, the Online Etymology Dictionary remains agnostic, as does the Oxford English Dictionary and most etymologists, on whether it truly originally had anything to do with race instead of simply a reference to social class, in this case referring to poor people in general inhabiting these cheap seats. The Online Etymology Dictionary traces the expression peanut gallery to 1874, while the Oxford English Dictionary notes that it was recorded as early as 1876, in the Placerville, California Mountain Democrat, where the writer intoned, as a bid for applause from the political pit and peanut gallery it was a masterpiece.
Others disagree, in part, with the preceding class-based, rather than racial, claim. They note that in the past, cheap balcony seats were often reserved for, or largely made up of, African American patrons. Thus, since the phrase implies that the opinions expressed by those from the gallery were unsolicited, unwarranted and unhelpful, the phrase also connotes something negative about those giving them, purported to be African Americans.
That said, the Online Etymology Dictionary remains agnostic, as does the Oxford English Dictionary and most etymologists, on whether it truly originally had anything to do with race instead of simply a reference to social class, in this case referring to poor people in general inhabiting these cheap seats. The Online Etymology Dictionary traces the expression peanut gallery to 1874, while the Oxford English Dictionary notes that it was recorded as early as 1876, in the Placerville, California Mountain Democrat, where the writer intoned, as a bid for applause from the political pit and peanut gallery it was a masterpiece.
http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2015/03/origin-phrase-peanut-gallery/
Also, blame Howdy Doody and Charlie Brown:
But the fact that peanut gallery is still part of our common vocabulary is almost certainly due to the Howdy Doody Show, an immensely popular childrens TV show in the 1950s. Howdy Doody (a marionette), Buffalo Bob (who provided Howdys voice), Clarabell the Clown, Princess Summerfall Winterspring and the rest of the cast performed with a studio audience of children seated in bleachers known as the Peanut Gallery.
Incidentally, so popular was Howdy Doody and his Peanut Gallery among a generation of children that in 1950, when United Features decided to syndicate Charles Schulzs comic strip, then known as Lil Folk, they insisted, over Schulzs vigorous objections, on changing its name to Peanuts.
Incidentally, so popular was Howdy Doody and his Peanut Gallery among a generation of children that in 1950, when United Features decided to syndicate Charles Schulzs comic strip, then known as Lil Folk, they insisted, over Schulzs vigorous objections, on changing its name to Peanuts.
http://www.word-detective.com/2009/07/peanut-gallery/
I saw someone on some site also claiming the other day that "Hush Puppies" also has a dark racial origin, in that runaway slaves supposedly threw them to pursuing hounds. There is no evidence to support that is actually the case either.
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There is plenty of ACTUAL racism to be found these days. There is really no need
jonno99
Sep 2015
#3
What specifically leads you to believe that particulars of etymology generates discord?
LanternWaste
Sep 2015
#23
Personally I'm a fan of studying etymology. What "leads me to believe" (and I could be wrong with
jonno99
Sep 2015
#33
Indeed, it is quite interesting to learn the etiology of words and phrases.
uppityperson
Sep 2015
#6
Eh. A few of these are just wrong. They're Internet memes without any real truth.
Xithras
Sep 2015
#5
Perpetually offended? Are you a minority or are you a white person therefore privileged?
randys1
Sep 2015
#26
"Eenie meenie miney mo" actually IS racist. It's one of a handful she got right.
Xithras
Sep 2015
#17
So when my 6-year old nephew does "eenie meenie minie mo, catch a tiger by the toe"
Nye Bevan
Sep 2015
#21
Bert Fitzgibbons, who is listed in your link as the author, wrote minstrel shows
gollygee
Sep 2015
#83
Except running around with a pointy white hood is still recognized as clearly racist
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
Sep 2015
#74
A Washington, DC city councilmember created a huge uproar by using "niggardly"
KamaAina
Sep 2015
#20
George Carlin would tell us not to discard words but discard from civility the assholes
randys1
Sep 2015
#28
Except niggardly has none of those problems and is usually used quite properly.
whatthehey
Sep 2015
#96
But "thing" just doesn't make sense in that context. What "thing"? There was no
tblue37
Sep 2015
#65
"The word 'picnic' originated with crowds gathering to witness lynchings"- Snopes says FALSE
Nye Bevan
Sep 2015
#16
Please don't use the word "unsavory". It rhymes with "fun slavery", so is best avoided.
Nye Bevan
Sep 2015
#29
Doesn't the "peanut gallery" refer to cheap seats? Even in parts of the country with very few
pnwmom
Sep 2015
#31
Baby Boomers learned "the Peanut Gallery" from the show "Pinky Lee." NPR can just get over it.
WinkyDink
Sep 2015
#50
They also left room for the "neener neener neener, you're a bad person if you use this" scold.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
Sep 2015
#89
It's sad that ignorance (and fantasy etymology) is so much stronger than knowledge.
Romulox
Sep 2015
#115