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DirkGently

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48. That's not the consensus on "peanut gallery."
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 07:54 PM
Sep 2015

It comes from vaudeville, and although there is some basis to connect it to segregation, that is not the consensus opinion.

Those who typically inhabited the cheap seats were known to be rowdy, and free with their constructive criticism of the show, which would often be expressed in physical terms – such as by throwing anything conveniently at hand. As peanuts were a common concession snack for vaudeville shows, unpopular performers would often find themselves pelted with the easy-to-hurl, edible projectiles, not unlike The Beatles during their 1964 U.S. tour. (See: When the Beatles Were Pelted with Jelly Beans)

Others disagree, in part, with the preceding class-based, rather than racial, claim. They note that in the past, cheap balcony seats were often reserved for, or largely made up of, African American patrons. Thus, since the phrase implies that the opinions expressed by those from the gallery were unsolicited, unwarranted and unhelpful, the phrase also connotes something negative about those giving them, purported to be African Americans.

That said, the Online Etymology Dictionary remains agnostic, as does the Oxford English Dictionary and most etymologists, on whether it truly originally had anything to do with race instead of simply a reference to social class, in this case referring to poor people in general inhabiting these cheap seats. The Online Etymology Dictionary traces the expression “peanut gallery” to 1874, while the Oxford English Dictionary notes that it was recorded as early as 1876, in the Placerville, California Mountain Democrat, where the writer intoned, “as a bid for applause from the political pit and peanut gallery it was a masterpiece.”

http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2015/03/origin-phrase-peanut-gallery/

Also, blame Howdy Doody and Charlie Brown:

But the fact that “peanut gallery” is still part of our common vocabulary is almost certainly due to the Howdy Doody Show, an immensely popular children’s TV show in the 1950s. Howdy Doody (a marionette), Buffalo Bob (who provided Howdy’s voice), Clarabell the Clown, Princess Summerfall Winterspring and the rest of the cast performed with a studio audience of children seated in bleachers known as “the Peanut Gallery.”

Incidentally, so popular was “Howdy Doody” and his “Peanut Gallery” among a generation of children that in 1950, when United Features decided to syndicate Charles Schulz’s comic strip, then known as “Li’l Folk,” they insisted, over Schulz’s vigorous objections, on changing its name to “Peanuts.”

http://www.word-detective.com/2009/07/peanut-gallery/

I saw someone on some site also claiming the other day that "Hush Puppies" also has a dark racial origin, in that runaway slaves supposedly threw them to pursuing hounds. There is no evidence to support that is actually the case either.

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Lets start a list of words to ban GummyBearz Sep 2015 #1
"Potentially" racist is the operative word. Baitball Blogger Sep 2015 #2
There is plenty of ACTUAL racism to be found these days. There is really no need jonno99 Sep 2015 #3
What specifically leads you to believe that particulars of etymology generates discord? LanternWaste Sep 2015 #23
Personally I'm a fan of studying etymology. What "leads me to believe" (and I could be wrong with jonno99 Sep 2015 #33
Words and their meaning have always interested me. yuiyoshida Sep 2015 #4
Indeed, it is quite interesting to learn the etiology of words and phrases. uppityperson Sep 2015 #6
It is interesting when the etymology is correct and not just someones TexasProgresive Sep 2015 #11
A Japanese word I recently learned yuiyoshida Sep 2015 #12
Wasshoi' is ... GummyBearz Sep 2015 #14
heh heh heh... yuiyoshida Sep 2015 #15
Eh. A few of these are just wrong. They're Internet memes without any real truth. Xithras Sep 2015 #5
There is a term "jigaboo". KamaAina Sep 2015 #8
True, but there's no relationship between "jigaboo" and "the jig is up". Xithras Sep 2015 #13
A "jig" is also an Scots-Irish folk dance ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2015 #73
Which, interestingly, also derives from the same root Xithras Sep 2015 #118
Thank you voice of reason Facility Inspector Sep 2015 #9
Perpetually offended? Are you a minority or are you a white person therefore privileged? randys1 Sep 2015 #26
remain curious or do your research Facility Inspector Sep 2015 #34
So no, you arent. No wonder you can make such an obtuse statement. randys1 Sep 2015 #39
There ain't no good guy Facility Inspector Sep 2015 #84
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2015 #112
I'm "perpetually offended" by people who use that dismissive phrase Gormy Cuss Sep 2015 #38
+1 840high Sep 2015 #78
Really? ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #102
Thanks for adding more info to some of those. I remember being instructed uppityperson Sep 2015 #10
"Eenie meenie miney mo" actually IS racist. It's one of a handful she got right. Xithras Sep 2015 #17
So when my 6-year old nephew does "eenie meenie minie mo, catch a tiger by the toe" Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #21
I would say yes dumbcat Sep 2015 #24
Tigers certainly do have toes. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2015 #54
Those are mongo "jelly beans," or "toe-beans." nt tblue37 Sep 2015 #56
Tigers don't have toes? DirkGently Sep 2015 #58
It comes from a song from a minstrel show gollygee Sep 2015 #69
It does not come from a minstrel show. DirkGently Sep 2015 #70
Bert Fitzgibbons, who is listed in your link as the author, wrote minstrel shows gollygee Sep 2015 #83
Looks like Fitzgibbons' version had the toe, not the hollering. DirkGently Sep 2015 #85
We used that growing up treestar Sep 2015 #94
Find a different one and teach it to him. Xithras Sep 2015 #30
But that was never "the underlying meaning." DirkGently Sep 2015 #61
+1 nt jonno99 Sep 2015 #82
Except running around with a pointy white hood is still recognized as clearly racist ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2015 #74
I'm old enough to recall the earlier version of eenie meenie miney mo. SheilaT Sep 2015 #81
In addition to 'eenie meeni' we did 'One Potato...' trof Sep 2015 #113
Thanks for taking the time to educate. Juicy_Bellows Sep 2015 #18
Now now they are just being niggardly with the truth whatthehey Sep 2015 #19
A Washington, DC city councilmember created a huge uproar by using "niggardly" KamaAina Sep 2015 #20
George Carlin would tell us not to discard words but discard from civility the assholes randys1 Sep 2015 #28
Except niggardly has none of those problems and is usually used quite properly. whatthehey Sep 2015 #96
Yes and I like Julian Bond's take on that. whatthehey Sep 2015 #95
Thank you whatthehey ChazII Sep 2015 #104
This reminds me of the brouhaha over the word "niggardly." GreenEyedLefty Sep 2015 #35
This reminds of the brouhaha over the word "niggardly." GreenEyedLefty Sep 2015 #36
The use of the term niggardly shouldn't raise any eyebrows? uponit7771 Sep 2015 #45
No, it should not. It doesn't stem from anything meaning "black." WinkyDink Sep 2015 #52
Thank you for this. cwydro Sep 2015 #37
Banning the word "spade" is pointless, since it's a type of shovel meow2u3 Sep 2015 #42
Thank you for bringing some facts and common sense. hifiguy Sep 2015 #46
Re: "call a spade a spade" tblue37 Sep 2015 #47
Thank you treestar Sep 2015 #93
Sold down the river for sure but not so sure about peanut gallery TexasProgresive Sep 2015 #7
That's certainly it's origin, "sold down the river." Igel Sep 2015 #22
"Lord" and "Lady" = tblue37 Sep 2015 #51
"Another thing coming" makes better sense than the original. DirkGently Sep 2015 #57
Not really, because the line "You've got another think coming" tblue37 Sep 2015 #62
Actually, the fact it was originally ungrammatical slang explains the DirkGently Sep 2015 #64
But "thing" just doesn't make sense in that context. What "thing"? There was no tblue37 Sep 2015 #65
The "thing" is that which you thought. DirkGently Sep 2015 #66
An impasse has been reached... Generic Other Sep 2015 #107
Well now that's interesting. DirkGently Sep 2015 #109
Don't you mean þing? Liberal Veteran Sep 2015 #72
I think kow-tow was originally a Chinese term for genuflection. n/t Mister Ed Sep 2015 #75
Precisely. No cows or towlines are involved! :) n/t DirkGently Sep 2015 #76
"The word 'picnic' originated with crowds gathering to witness lynchings"- Snopes says FALSE Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #16
I remember how aggravated I got when that happened. Xithras Sep 2015 #32
+ a brazillion! nt tblue37 Sep 2015 #53
Please stop. LiberalAndProud Sep 2015 #25
Please don't use the word "unsavory". It rhymes with "fun slavery", so is best avoided. Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #29
... romanic Sep 2015 #60
Oh dear. I imagine that's next on the list of no no's. grossproffit Sep 2015 #91
Thank you. Blue_In_AK Sep 2015 #106
That doesn't sound right LittleBlue Sep 2015 #27
Doesn't the "peanut gallery" refer to cheap seats? Even in parts of the country with very few pnwmom Sep 2015 #31
First learned about the 'peanut gallery' from "The Howdy Doody Show"' mia Sep 2015 #40
Yeah, Howdy was Grand Dragon of the Buffalo Klan ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2015 #90
The preferred term is "Bison Klan," you brute. Orrex Sep 2015 #116
'Jimmies' is racist also Heeeeers Johnny Sep 2015 #41
But if you call them "sprinkles," someone will think you intend a reference to tblue37 Sep 2015 #55
Nice post, Annie! KamaAina Sep 2015 #67
I suppose you think all blacks and whites know these are racist terms lunatica Sep 2015 #43
That's precisely the point. Hardly anyone does. KamaAina Sep 2015 #44
That's not the consensus on "peanut gallery." DirkGently Sep 2015 #48
I always thought "peanut gallery" was a group of kids smirkymonkey Sep 2015 #86
I've heard it as synonymous for "from the cheap seats." DirkGently Sep 2015 #87
It was on Howdy Doody!. . .n/t annabanana Sep 2015 #97
I have heard of some of these as being racist LiberalElite Sep 2015 #49
Baby Boomers learned "the Peanut Gallery" from the show "Pinky Lee." NPR can just get over it. WinkyDink Sep 2015 #50
NPR only called out the ice cream truck jingle. KamaAina Sep 2015 #68
Most of those are wrong Warpy Sep 2015 #59
When I hear the term "peanut gallery" I think of the Howdy Doody Show. WillowTree Sep 2015 #63
I don't want to comment on this thread tularetom Sep 2015 #71
Well said. If you look hard 840high Sep 2015 #79
Peanuts, peanuts. 840high Sep 2015 #77
I think some of those examples are not terribly accurate. MADem Sep 2015 #80
Badly written and researched. kiva Sep 2015 #88
They also left room for the "neener neener neener, you're a bad person if you use this" scold. ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2015 #89
If people don't know what it originally meant treestar Sep 2015 #92
I think it's enlightening to learn the etimology of these phrases. Quantess Sep 2015 #98
Accurate etymology, not the fake kind. DavidDvorkin Sep 2015 #100
Then there is Saturday Night Special which gained rather recent currency... Eleanors38 Sep 2015 #99
racist imagery was used in advertising...someone please "parse" that noiretextatique Sep 2015 #101
Howdy Doody circa 1940 1950s Major Nikon Sep 2015 #103
I didn't know that d_r Sep 2015 #105
And "welshing" on a bet. KamaAina Sep 2015 #108
Some of those are just painfully fucking stupid, sorry. Spider Jerusalem Sep 2015 #110
Thanks to the DU posters who pointed out errors and fallacies in the article! raccoon Sep 2015 #111
More BS in that link than a little. GoneOffShore Sep 2015 #114
It's sad that ignorance (and fantasy etymology) is so much stronger than knowledge. Romulox Sep 2015 #115
(sigh) The Root usually has good stuff about race. KamaAina Sep 2015 #117
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