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Betty Karlson

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174. Again: if a general becomes a pacifist while already attaining to that rank,

Mon Sep 7, 2015, 02:37 AM

Sep 2015

he should resign because his new-found belief inhibits his chosen profession and the other way around.

Under no circumstance would it be acceptable to refuse to do his duty and claim "religious freedom". He chose a job consistent with the beliefs he held at the time. If the beliefs change, consider a change of job.

Same case with a minister who loses faith: if you no longer believe in God, the pulpit is no longer the right place for you.

As for the flight attendant: to the best of my knowledge, the Islamic jurisprudence does not prohibit serving alcohol, it merely prohibits consumption of alcohol. When dealing with "unbelievers", the Shari'a consensus advises Muslims to "treat the wine as if it were vinegar": don't drink it yourself, but appreciate the value it has for the unbelievers.

The woman has replced wining with whining, if you ask me.

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Muslim Flight Attendant Refuses to Serve Alcohol- Do Republicans support her? [View all] J_J_ Sep 2015 OP

If you can't do the job resign yeoman6987 Sep 2015 #1

+1 treestar Sep 2015 #14

+1 . just like Kim Davis should. StopTheNeoCons Sep 2015 #51

All of this. hifiguy Sep 2015 #54

+1 Hangingon Sep 2015 #60

Yep Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #177

exactly. it takes a lot of gull and stupidity to accept a job and then say you can't samsingh Sep 2015 #252

Did she not know the requirements of the job before she took it? lpbk2713 Sep 2015 #2

She converted to Islam after she was hired nt riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #3

I didn't read the link. lpbk2713 Sep 2015 #4

No problem! riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #5

Exactly!!! n/t RKP5637 Sep 2015 #9

I think that happens alot when people first join a faith Marrah_G Sep 2015 #38

Personal boundaries would also help Warpy Sep 2015 #44

+1 daleanime Sep 2015 #179

A loud AMEN to that. raccoon Sep 2015 #184

Just like KIm Davis, who only converted to her uber-fundie version of beac Sep 2015 #116

I am still waiting for a pharmacist to convert to Christian Science CBGLuthier Sep 2015 #146

Should the 18-20 year olds quit, too? Ms. Toad Sep 2015 #165

I cant find any US airline that hires FAs under 21 riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #180

Southwest hires at 18. Ms. Toad Sep 2015 #193

Both airlines you name have large planes with large flight crews. This airline doesn't. MADem Sep 2015 #201

It was a reasonable accommodation for about 3 months, Ms. Toad Sep 2015 #204

It was an UNREASONABLE accomodation from the start FrodosPet Sep 2015 #231

Reasonable accommodations are always individual assessments. Ms. Toad Sep 2015 #233

You haven't demonstrated that FAs of any age are prohibited from serving alcohol riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #265

agreed. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #247

That's not for FAs though. FAs have to be 20 riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #209

They can't Dorian Gray Sep 2015 #272

The airline accommodated her, Ms. Toad Sep 2015 #164

This is incorrect FrodosPet Sep 2015 #232

Even MORE reason for her to have known, I'd say. WinkyDink Sep 2015 #101

Again: if a general becomes a pacifist while already attaining to that rank, Betty Karlson Sep 2015 #174

This was accidentally linked by an Alaska state senator on a tweet J_J_ Sep 2015 #6

My Amish electrician does a fine job. He just can't fix anything that's electric. Kablooie Sep 2015 #7

I know your joking belcffub Sep 2015 #292

I didn't know that. Kablooie Sep 2015 #294

WTF - I'm fed up with this religious nonsense. You take a job and you do what it RKP5637 Sep 2015 #8

Thank YOU! smirkymonkey Sep 2015 #10

Yes I SO agree with you! Tipperary Sep 2015 #12

Companies must provide reasonable accommodations, yes. (Emphasis on 'reasonable'.) X_Digger Sep 2015 #15

Thanks for the info. and link! RKP5637 Sep 2015 #20

Some issues with the law exboyfil Sep 2015 #28

What section of the text above makes you think employers must determine sincerity? n/t X_Digger Sep 2015 #40

I read a larger article on this law exboyfil Sep 2015 #48

Err, you didn't read that quite right, I'm afraid. X_Digger Sep 2015 #50

Thanks for the correction exboyfil Sep 2015 #57

Good article covering the many aspects of the issue. n/t PoliticAverse Sep 2015 #52

I don't find someone else having to do your job a "reasonable accomodation" Skittles Sep 2015 #108

If you can't work on Friday nights, GET A JOB THAT DOESN'T WORK ON FRIDAY NIGHTS.. X_Digger Sep 2015 #120

yes, absolutely get a job where you can make your own hours if you cannot work Fridays Skittles Sep 2015 #122

Typically what happens is a swap.. you do this, I do that.. X_Digger Sep 2015 #124

I do that a lot at work but if it can't be made, they have to do their job, END OF STORY Skittles Sep 2015 #126

GAL??!!! Really? WillowTree Sep 2015 #170

Texas talk Skittles Sep 2015 #172

A Woman Can't Say Gal? ProfessorGAC Sep 2015 #182

I always thought "gal" was the female equivalent of what used to be an exclusively male term, "guy." MADem Sep 2015 #202

thanks Skittles Sep 2015 #235

Cant serve alcohol? NO problem, just have Coors as your officlal beer, surely nobody considers randys1 Sep 2015 #229

And since airlines generally hire 18-20 year olds, Ms. Toad Sep 2015 #167

Actually that doesnt seem true - Delta, United, American etc - min age is 21 riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #181

United and Southwest hire at 19 and 18, respectively Ms. Toad Sep 2015 #194

And a repeat of my other post in answer riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #208

^^^^THIS katsy Sep 2015 #31

A reasonable accommodation was made, and then revoked. X_Digger Sep 2015 #11

Sounds like her fellow worker doesn't appreciate the extra work riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #21

If she'd volunteered to make up the work in another way, why not? X_Digger Sep 2015 #37

The article doesn't say that she did. riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #41

Now who's making assumptions? X_Digger Sep 2015 #47

I'm basing my response on the article info riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #49

That would have been an undue hardship for the employer (a waitress). X_Digger Sep 2015 #66

Now i am assuming that if ExpressJet had another open position riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #69

Well, this complaint also included her having a 'book with foreign words' and a 'headdress'. X_Digger Sep 2015 #71

Agreed that the co-worker sounds prejudiced riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #76

Well, accommodations don't have to be reasonable to other employees / unions. X_Digger Sep 2015 #81

I'm thinking if the co-workers are filing complaints, it's a hardship for the company riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #98

Employers don't get to decide how folks practice their religion. (Thankfully!) X_Digger Sep 2015 #105

Actually they can. A Muslim employee can't lay down their prayer mat 5x/day riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #113

Yes an apple is not an orange. Glad we agree. ;) X_Digger Sep 2015 #117

Actually the salat (5x/day prayer) is one of the five pillars or Islam riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #123

And now we've circled back around to you attempting to validate who is and/or isn't a good muslim. X_Digger Sep 2015 #128

"Reasonable accommodation of her faith" riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #131

EEOC complaints typically receive administrative hearings. (More like arbitration than court.) X_Digger Sep 2015 #134

I don't think it's a reasonable accommodation due to the carts TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2015 #211

It is NOT like that. That is a small airline--some flights only have ONE FA. MADem Sep 2015 #119

That is one possible accommodation, yes- a lateral transfer. X_Digger Sep 2015 #121

She doesn't belong in the air with those demands. MADem Sep 2015 #127

You know, I'm not in a position to tell a person they're doing their religion wrong. X_Digger Sep 2015 #129

Thing is, if a person can't do the job, they can't do the job. MADem Sep 2015 #132

If that's the only accommodation that she and the airline can come to, sure. X_Digger Sep 2015 #135

She might try to claim that she can't handle bags because they "might" have booze in them. MADem Sep 2015 #140

Again, I'm not the judge of which tenets of a person's religion they embrace. X_Digger Sep 2015 #142

Here's where my interest lies. I want to know that the FA on the aircraft in which I am flying MADem Sep 2015 #145

United Airlines, as an example, hires flight attendants at age 19. Ms. Toad Sep 2015 #169

No--that's not true. In many states, cashiers and servers CAN serve/sell alcohol if they are MADem Sep 2015 #171

What's not true about "in most states"? Ms. Toad Sep 2015 #199

Why are you comparing a major airline with a flight crew of 5 or more to a puddlejumper airline MADem Sep 2015 #200

They accommodated her for 3 months, without any issues. Ms. Toad Sep 2015 #205

How do you know it didn't take three months for the complaints to percolate through the system? MADem Sep 2015 #206

No, they accomodated her for two months max riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #250

Thats not true. Min age for United FAs is 21 riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #183

Not according to two other websites Ms. Toad Sep 2015 #195

The site I used is 21 riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #207

That one is specific for a Mandarin Chinese speaker. Ms. Toad Sep 2015 #212

Nope. I checked the FAA regs and each airline makes up its own rules @ alcohol svc riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #220

I'll bet they'd hire a foreign language speaker at 19, but not a domestic flyer. MADem Sep 2015 #210

You're assuming the reason for the age is the need to serve alcohol. Ms. Toad Sep 2015 #213

All airlines hire foreign language speakers if they have presence abroad. MADem Sep 2015 #217

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #241

Makes me wonder. . .what if it is Muslim prayer time kevinbgoode1 Sep 2015 #162

She doesn't have to drink the alcohol, she just has to serve it. smirkymonkey Sep 2015 #53

Right, the law requires reasonable accommodation. Gormy Cuss Sep 2015 #67

Agreed. n/t X_Digger Sep 2015 #75

Would the other flight attendant think it was reasonable to have to do more work than this woman? pnwmom Sep 2015 #92

Again, the other flight attendant isn't the person who determines reasonable accommodation Gormy Cuss Sep 2015 #143

It would NOT be a "reasonable" accommodation if management were suddenly pnwmom Sep 2015 #147

You don't seem to understand that reasonable accommodation is the law. n/t Gormy Cuss Sep 2015 #150

I certainly do. But the law doesn't define "reasonable" -- that will be left to people. pnwmom Sep 2015 #152

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #228

I trust that you understand the burden is on the employer Gormy Cuss Sep 2015 #268

An alcohol free flight?! LOL!! Booze is a critical $$ maker riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #148

Then they won't make that choice. Gormy Cuss Sep 2015 #151

This Muslimah wants others to do her job riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #154

Then the court will rule against her. n/t Gormy Cuss Sep 2015 #173

There isn't any way to do this without tying their scheduling system into pretzel shapes. pnwmom Sep 2015 #168

people want to fall all over themselves to make sure that some fundies have their fee fees protected Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #176

"management can choose to make it an alcohol-free flight." ... Oh, fuck that. Arugula Latte Sep 2015 #163

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #227

That might work in First Class dflprincess Sep 2015 #161

Only on much larger aircraft TuxedoKat Sep 2015 #196

Having worked 30 years for NWA I can tell you we Puglover Sep 2015 #289

Thank you. nt riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #295

I agree TuxedoKat Sep 2015 #296

Granted we at NWA were fiesty Puglover Sep 2015 #299

so it would be reasonable if she was a bartender? Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #175

I think I've encountered a few Muslim LuvNewcastle Sep 2015 #185

Does that sound reasonable? Being a bartender is intrinsicly about serving liquor. Gormy Cuss Sep 2015 #186

there's not an infinite amount of staff on airplanes, nor is there generally a ton of room to move Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #216

Title VII, Civil Rights Act of 1964 Gormy Cuss Sep 2015 #225

I would think reasonable accomodation would mean if you need to wear a yarmulke or hajib, you can. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #226

Well yes, it does boil down to what is considered 'reasonable' Gormy Cuss Sep 2015 #267

Is it better to let fundamentalists make our personal decisions for us? Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #269

Because it's the law? Gormy Cuss Sep 2015 #273

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #274

That same logic was used by some after the ADA became law. Gormy Cuss Sep 2015 #275

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #276

Why should another worker have to pick up both of their jobs....? TipTok Sep 2015 #74

Because the law says so. Employers are obligated to make reasonable accommodation. X_Digger Sep 2015 #78

The law says reasonable... TipTok Sep 2015 #85

*shrug* Take it up with the EEOC. n/t X_Digger Sep 2015 #86

Maybe the other employees would not find this so "reasonable." Serving booze can get tetchy. WinkyDink Sep 2015 #103

Reasonable is in the eye of the employer, not other employees. But yes, 'tetchy' applies. n/t X_Digger Sep 2015 #106

"Reasonable." But from the descriptions here of people who know pnwmom Sep 2015 #115

It seems the airline found it reasonable, but revoked it based on other employee criticism. X_Digger Sep 2015 #118

well, I think she should find another job. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #230

Until the law is changed or repealed, reasonable accommodations must be made. X_Digger Sep 2015 #234

It all depends on what's reasonable. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #236

See my previous comment re huff, stamp, and shout. It seems to have eluded you. n/t X_Digger Sep 2015 #237

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #238

I think employers have to follow Title VII of the Civil Rights Act (1964). X_Digger Sep 2015 #243

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #244

Had anyone (other than you) proposed that, then we'd have a chat. X_Digger Sep 2015 #245

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #246

That's one reductio ad absurdum accommodation that someone here mentioned, yes. X_Digger Sep 2015 #248

So pharmacist refuses to fill BC prescription, cab driver ditches lesbian couple, elected official Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #249

Keep your fingers out of my mouth. My words come out just fine without help. X_Digger Sep 2015 #251

And sometimes those requests seriously fuck up the necessary delivery of services. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #254

And sometimes the employers make the case to the EEOC and prevail as an undue hardship. X_Digger Sep 2015 #255

Yes I know how totally unreasonable to expect, say, cabdrivers not to abandon a lesbian couple Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #256

Finished with the wharrgarble, yet? If not, please proceed. X_Digger Sep 2015 #263

not gonna answer, huh. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #270

*yawn* X_Digger Sep 2015 #278

So pharmacists and cab drivers aren't regulated and licensed by the state? Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #280

When you start a post with "So..", I know some strawman bullshit is coming. X_Digger Sep 2015 #281

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #282

"So, okay- you don't..." --- you're doing it again. Stop that. X_Digger Sep 2015 #283

Just because I use the word "so" doesn't mean I'm putting words in your mouth. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #284

"So apparently they're gonna be defacto no booze flights"... X_Digger Sep 2015 #285

The 'information we've been given' contains data points like "her coworkers complained" Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #287

The complaint also complained about a 'book with foreign words'. Sounds a bit prejudicial to me. X_Digger Sep 2015 #288

Maybe. I guess the court will decide. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #298

It is most certainly UNREASONABLE if her co-workers say it is. And they have. MADem Sep 2015 #79

Unreasonable is in the eye of the employer, not other workers. X_Digger Sep 2015 #84

No--employEES. If her peers say "Our workload is increased without compensation because she MADem Sep 2015 #87

A transfer is a reasonable accommodation, per CRA II / EEOC guidelines. X_Digger Sep 2015 #89

Why would one employee's gripe take precedence over another's subsequent one? WinkyDink Sep 2015 #187

We do that all the time-- see what constitutes a hostile workplace, employment discrimination, etc. X_Digger Sep 2015 #188

Interestingly, for this Muslim woman to want ANOTHER person to serve the alcohol FOR her, is to seek WinkyDink Sep 2015 #191

Yeah, I'm not gonna tell someone how to do their religion, thanks. n/t X_Digger Sep 2015 #192

I'll mock Islam as much as the next person mocks Christianity. WinkyDink Sep 2015 #258

I left that concept behind in about the 3rd grade. X_Digger Sep 2015 #264

Well, aren'y you special? I believe in govt hands-off religion, as in "Shall establish no....." WinkyDink Sep 2015 #271

"Mommy, he did it first!" -- sounds kinda not quite adult. n/t X_Digger Sep 2015 #279

If the division of labor is affected, and the employee can't carry out the elements of the job, then MADem Sep 2015 #198

I think what a mercuryblues Sep 2015 #197

+10 million!!!! Nt riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #222

Most Expressjets flights are single flight attendant. MADem Sep 2015 #224

Clearly expressjet needs to stop serving alcohol, then. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #240

Someone on the video said they use small planes and sometimes there's only one pnwmom Sep 2015 #90

A shift / flight swap would sound reasonable in that case. X_Digger Sep 2015 #91

That's not a good analogy. They often don't know how full their flights will be till very close pnwmom Sep 2015 #94

Is the number of attendants based on passengers or plane size? X_Digger Sep 2015 #96

Based on plane size TuxedoKat Sep 2015 #99

Thanks for setting this all out so clearly. In short, it's not a simple accommodation. n/t pnwmom Sep 2015 #110

Thanks TuxedoKat Sep 2015 #130

You did a good job explaining it. This is so much more complicated than saying: pnwmom Sep 2015 #136

3/5ths of their flights are solo FA's. She can't work 3/5ths of the schedule already riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #102

Then the employer can go before the EEOC and explain why it's a hardship. X_Digger Sep 2015 #107

making someone else do your job is BULLSHIT Skittles Sep 2015 #111

What if someone wants to order bacon? Reter Sep 2015 #144

I'm not the religious police. Which tenets of her faith she holds important aren't up to me. n/t X_Digger Sep 2015 #153

They should treestar Sep 2015 #13

Having another attendant serve the alcohol seems reasonable . nt geek tragedy Sep 2015 #16

If the other attendants think it is reasonable. 'You should do my work for me because God' is not Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #26

Ugh, so the company has to maneuver the schedule so she's never the single attendant riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #30

+1000 smirkymonkey Sep 2015 #55

Single attendant planes does change the equation and likely geek tragedy Sep 2015 #61

At most they have two. Service of beverages is a large and crappy part of the job. Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #68

Increase another employee's workload to accommodate religious bias? Fire her AND the court clerk. cherokeeprogressive Sep 2015 #27

The Court Clerk holds an elected position and can't be fired (although she can be impeached). n/t PoliticAverse Sep 2015 #33

I did not know that... but I would dearly like to see her gone. cherokeeprogressive Sep 2015 #35

Reasonable? HassleCat Sep 2015 #64

No. Not reasonable. MADem Sep 2015 #82

She needs a new gig. I have zero respect for that sort of thing. If she is opposed to alcohol she Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #17

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2015 #18

So if Kim were gay Politicalboi Sep 2015 #25

They're using it to show how Davis is being unfairly "persecuted" pinstikfartherin Sep 2015 #19

Alright!!!! Politicalboi Sep 2015 #22

Can I just say, CrispyQ Sep 2015 #23

so she can refuse to serve non-muslims, bare-headed women, or any other thing she decides msongs Sep 2015 #24

She shouldn't even be talking to strange men, if we're gonna get down to it. MADem Sep 2015 #83

Excellent point. she's being very selective in which beliefs need to be accommodated. pnwmom Sep 2015 #112

What bullshit. So sick of these whiny religious nutbags using their mythology in this way. Arugula Latte Sep 2015 #29

+1000 smirkymonkey Sep 2015 #56

Amend the Constitution then. rug Sep 2015 #133

EEOC Sues Star Transport, Inc. for Religious Discrimination (5-29-2013) PoliticAverse Sep 2015 #32

That judgement put Star Transport out of business iirc riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #39

I don't think a reasonable can be made for her. Ilsa Sep 2015 #34

Bring this up the next time a Republican complains about the treatment of Kim Davis J_J_ Sep 2015 #36

Hypocrisy links all things reich wing. Their shining example is Napoleon from "Animal Farm." kairos12 Sep 2015 #45

I got stuck in a line of cars leaving Dulles airport because... displacedtexan Sep 2015 #42

...and Hobby Lobby has opened the gates to much more of this. kairos12 Sep 2015 #46

Try to make a reasonable accommodation, if that didn't work, needed to find another job. uppityperson Sep 2015 #43

She should takea clue from the Iranian students HassleCat Sep 2015 #58

There is no test to determine if the belief has grounding in any religion. JoePhilly Sep 2015 #59

True, in theory HassleCat Sep 2015 #63

That's the slippery slope I'm looking forward to. JoePhilly Sep 2015 #65

Your Iranian peers didn't know their English grammar, then. "Not a drop" is not a synonym for "Drop WinkyDink Sep 2015 #104

I think maybe they knew that (eom) HassleCat Sep 2015 #139

I grew up with a lot of Iranian exiles in Orange County Sen. Walter Sobchak Sep 2015 #157

I am sick of this shit. The whole thing will fall apart if everyone has to have an accommodation mnhtnbb Sep 2015 #62

In July of 2010 we took a taxi at DFW to home in Irving. 7wo7rees Sep 2015 #70

There was a controversy also at an airport where the Muslim drivers refused pnwmom Sep 2015 #93

WTF?! Arugula Latte Sep 2015 #97

On several occasions I have had taxi drivers refuse to take me and my brother Sen. Walter Sobchak Sep 2015 #156

Such bullshit. Initech Sep 2015 #72

The stupid fundie imbecile doesn't have to drink it. Codeine Sep 2015 #73

Her "religious accommodation" causes an undue burden on other FAs. MADem Sep 2015 #77

absolutely correct Skittles Sep 2015 #125

Then you would be in favour of changing the constitution and re-writing all of legal precedent on Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #155

No, they're demanding to know why she's not in jail like the Kentucky woman... JHB Sep 2015 #80

does she pray 5 times a day too? Sorry, you don't get to pick and choose... JCMach1 Sep 2015 #88

They should, she's a religious hypocrite just like they all are. CharlotteVale Sep 2015 #95

"it's incumbent upon employers to provide a safe environment where employees can feel they can WinkyDink Sep 2015 #100

She should not have taken the job under those circumstances... LeftishBrit Sep 2015 #109

Add me to "if you can't do the job find a different job". Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #114

Republicans would physically throw her off the plane! yuiyoshida Sep 2015 #137

A very long time ago, when I was trying to get hired SheilaT Sep 2015 #138

I don't personally consider that accommodation to be reasonable. David__77 Sep 2015 #141

Going to give her the same sympathy I'd give a Jewish server who has to bring a customer a BLT. . . Jake Stern Sep 2015 #149

If religion is getting in the way of a job switch jobs. Devil Child Sep 2015 #158

+10 840high Sep 2015 #159

I don't know what the law is on a job Snobblevitch Sep 2015 #160

I live in Mpls. hifiguy Sep 2015 #214

From 2014: kiva Sep 2015 #166

And people around here shit a collective brick over Uber's pesky "libertarianism" Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #178

Uber drivers are also guilty of this kiva Sep 2015 #189

Putting a service dog in the TRUNK? hifiguy Sep 2015 #215

I'm not surprised, and I agree with your last sentence. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #219

Uber is the same thing without any recourse. Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #293

Fair enough. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #297

Of course they won't awoke_in_2003 Sep 2015 #190

I'm sure she knew the job included serving alcohol. RandySF Sep 2015 #203

She DID the job for years serving alcohol. MADem Sep 2015 #218

No one is forcing her to drink the alcohol. Sorry it was part of the job description when Pisces Sep 2015 #221

Allah has cursed Alcohol oberliner Sep 2015 #223

"one who consumes the money from its sale" - who does she get her paycheck from? Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #260

Was this before or after he rode the winged horse to Heaven? Arugula Latte Sep 2015 #262

Interesting she's being selective in her outrage. Alcohol - bad. 5x/day prayer - meh riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #266

And yet the Sultan of Brunei owns the Polo Lounge, which is one bar among many owed by him Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #291

You'd think she was asked to perform in-flight pig slaughtering DFW Sep 2015 #239

She's 40 ..and SHE changed things up..not the airline SoCalDem Sep 2015 #242

Honestly, let's just let the most controlling fundamentalists among us write the rules for everyone Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #257

No one is asking her to consume alcohol, now are they? Raster Sep 2015 #253

See post #223. WinkyDink Sep 2015 #259

Well, it's not like logic or reason has ever intersected w/ any of these Abrahamic religions. Arugula Latte Sep 2015 #261

Please see this post about federal law, delivering alcohol, and an actual EEOC case... PoliticAverse Sep 2015 #277

what's funny is she says she only found out about the restrictions of alcohol after she converted JI7 Sep 2015 #286

Who would drink that crap anyway. ileus Sep 2015 #290

Yes do your job. stonecutter357 Sep 2015 #300