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Warren DeMontague

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178. And people around here shit a collective brick over Uber's pesky "libertarianism"

Reply to kiva (Reply #166)

Mon Sep 7, 2015, 02:48 AM

Sep 2015

Well, this is why people may want other options besides crony-based taxi companies with manufactured regional shortage.

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Muslim Flight Attendant Refuses to Serve Alcohol- Do Republicans support her? [View all] J_J_ Sep 2015 OP

If you can't do the job resign yeoman6987 Sep 2015 #1

+1 treestar Sep 2015 #14

+1 . just like Kim Davis should. StopTheNeoCons Sep 2015 #51

All of this. hifiguy Sep 2015 #54

+1 Hangingon Sep 2015 #60

Yep Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #177

exactly. it takes a lot of gull and stupidity to accept a job and then say you can't samsingh Sep 2015 #252

Did she not know the requirements of the job before she took it? lpbk2713 Sep 2015 #2

She converted to Islam after she was hired nt riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #3

I didn't read the link. lpbk2713 Sep 2015 #4

No problem! riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #5

Exactly!!! n/t RKP5637 Sep 2015 #9

I think that happens alot when people first join a faith Marrah_G Sep 2015 #38

Personal boundaries would also help Warpy Sep 2015 #44

+1 daleanime Sep 2015 #179

A loud AMEN to that. raccoon Sep 2015 #184

Just like KIm Davis, who only converted to her uber-fundie version of beac Sep 2015 #116

I am still waiting for a pharmacist to convert to Christian Science CBGLuthier Sep 2015 #146

Should the 18-20 year olds quit, too? Ms. Toad Sep 2015 #165

I cant find any US airline that hires FAs under 21 riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #180

Southwest hires at 18. Ms. Toad Sep 2015 #193

Both airlines you name have large planes with large flight crews. This airline doesn't. MADem Sep 2015 #201

It was a reasonable accommodation for about 3 months, Ms. Toad Sep 2015 #204

It was an UNREASONABLE accomodation from the start FrodosPet Sep 2015 #231

Reasonable accommodations are always individual assessments. Ms. Toad Sep 2015 #233

You haven't demonstrated that FAs of any age are prohibited from serving alcohol riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #265

agreed. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #247

That's not for FAs though. FAs have to be 20 riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #209

They can't Dorian Gray Sep 2015 #272

The airline accommodated her, Ms. Toad Sep 2015 #164

This is incorrect FrodosPet Sep 2015 #232

Even MORE reason for her to have known, I'd say. WinkyDink Sep 2015 #101

Again: if a general becomes a pacifist while already attaining to that rank, Betty Karlson Sep 2015 #174

This was accidentally linked by an Alaska state senator on a tweet J_J_ Sep 2015 #6

My Amish electrician does a fine job. He just can't fix anything that's electric. Kablooie Sep 2015 #7

I know your joking belcffub Sep 2015 #292

I didn't know that. Kablooie Sep 2015 #294

WTF - I'm fed up with this religious nonsense. You take a job and you do what it RKP5637 Sep 2015 #8

Thank YOU! smirkymonkey Sep 2015 #10

Yes I SO agree with you! Tipperary Sep 2015 #12

Companies must provide reasonable accommodations, yes. (Emphasis on 'reasonable'.) X_Digger Sep 2015 #15

Thanks for the info. and link! RKP5637 Sep 2015 #20

Some issues with the law exboyfil Sep 2015 #28

What section of the text above makes you think employers must determine sincerity? n/t X_Digger Sep 2015 #40

I read a larger article on this law exboyfil Sep 2015 #48

Err, you didn't read that quite right, I'm afraid. X_Digger Sep 2015 #50

Thanks for the correction exboyfil Sep 2015 #57

Good article covering the many aspects of the issue. n/t PoliticAverse Sep 2015 #52

I don't find someone else having to do your job a "reasonable accomodation" Skittles Sep 2015 #108

If you can't work on Friday nights, GET A JOB THAT DOESN'T WORK ON FRIDAY NIGHTS.. X_Digger Sep 2015 #120

yes, absolutely get a job where you can make your own hours if you cannot work Fridays Skittles Sep 2015 #122

Typically what happens is a swap.. you do this, I do that.. X_Digger Sep 2015 #124

I do that a lot at work but if it can't be made, they have to do their job, END OF STORY Skittles Sep 2015 #126

GAL??!!! Really? WillowTree Sep 2015 #170

Texas talk Skittles Sep 2015 #172

A Woman Can't Say Gal? ProfessorGAC Sep 2015 #182

I always thought "gal" was the female equivalent of what used to be an exclusively male term, "guy." MADem Sep 2015 #202

thanks Skittles Sep 2015 #235

Cant serve alcohol? NO problem, just have Coors as your officlal beer, surely nobody considers randys1 Sep 2015 #229

And since airlines generally hire 18-20 year olds, Ms. Toad Sep 2015 #167

Actually that doesnt seem true - Delta, United, American etc - min age is 21 riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #181

United and Southwest hire at 19 and 18, respectively Ms. Toad Sep 2015 #194

And a repeat of my other post in answer riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #208

^^^^THIS katsy Sep 2015 #31

A reasonable accommodation was made, and then revoked. X_Digger Sep 2015 #11

Sounds like her fellow worker doesn't appreciate the extra work riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #21

If she'd volunteered to make up the work in another way, why not? X_Digger Sep 2015 #37

The article doesn't say that she did. riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #41

Now who's making assumptions? X_Digger Sep 2015 #47

I'm basing my response on the article info riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #49

That would have been an undue hardship for the employer (a waitress). X_Digger Sep 2015 #66

Now i am assuming that if ExpressJet had another open position riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #69

Well, this complaint also included her having a 'book with foreign words' and a 'headdress'. X_Digger Sep 2015 #71

Agreed that the co-worker sounds prejudiced riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #76

Well, accommodations don't have to be reasonable to other employees / unions. X_Digger Sep 2015 #81

I'm thinking if the co-workers are filing complaints, it's a hardship for the company riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #98

Employers don't get to decide how folks practice their religion. (Thankfully!) X_Digger Sep 2015 #105

Actually they can. A Muslim employee can't lay down their prayer mat 5x/day riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #113

Yes an apple is not an orange. Glad we agree. ;) X_Digger Sep 2015 #117

Actually the salat (5x/day prayer) is one of the five pillars or Islam riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #123

And now we've circled back around to you attempting to validate who is and/or isn't a good muslim. X_Digger Sep 2015 #128

"Reasonable accommodation of her faith" riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #131

EEOC complaints typically receive administrative hearings. (More like arbitration than court.) X_Digger Sep 2015 #134

I don't think it's a reasonable accommodation due to the carts TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2015 #211

It is NOT like that. That is a small airline--some flights only have ONE FA. MADem Sep 2015 #119

That is one possible accommodation, yes- a lateral transfer. X_Digger Sep 2015 #121

She doesn't belong in the air with those demands. MADem Sep 2015 #127

You know, I'm not in a position to tell a person they're doing their religion wrong. X_Digger Sep 2015 #129

Thing is, if a person can't do the job, they can't do the job. MADem Sep 2015 #132

If that's the only accommodation that she and the airline can come to, sure. X_Digger Sep 2015 #135

She might try to claim that she can't handle bags because they "might" have booze in them. MADem Sep 2015 #140

Again, I'm not the judge of which tenets of a person's religion they embrace. X_Digger Sep 2015 #142

Here's where my interest lies. I want to know that the FA on the aircraft in which I am flying MADem Sep 2015 #145

United Airlines, as an example, hires flight attendants at age 19. Ms. Toad Sep 2015 #169

No--that's not true. In many states, cashiers and servers CAN serve/sell alcohol if they are MADem Sep 2015 #171

What's not true about "in most states"? Ms. Toad Sep 2015 #199

Why are you comparing a major airline with a flight crew of 5 or more to a puddlejumper airline MADem Sep 2015 #200

They accommodated her for 3 months, without any issues. Ms. Toad Sep 2015 #205

How do you know it didn't take three months for the complaints to percolate through the system? MADem Sep 2015 #206

No, they accomodated her for two months max riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #250

Thats not true. Min age for United FAs is 21 riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #183

Not according to two other websites Ms. Toad Sep 2015 #195

The site I used is 21 riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #207

That one is specific for a Mandarin Chinese speaker. Ms. Toad Sep 2015 #212

Nope. I checked the FAA regs and each airline makes up its own rules @ alcohol svc riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #220

I'll bet they'd hire a foreign language speaker at 19, but not a domestic flyer. MADem Sep 2015 #210

You're assuming the reason for the age is the need to serve alcohol. Ms. Toad Sep 2015 #213

All airlines hire foreign language speakers if they have presence abroad. MADem Sep 2015 #217

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Makes me wonder. . .what if it is Muslim prayer time kevinbgoode1 Sep 2015 #162

She doesn't have to drink the alcohol, she just has to serve it. smirkymonkey Sep 2015 #53

Right, the law requires reasonable accommodation. Gormy Cuss Sep 2015 #67

Agreed. n/t X_Digger Sep 2015 #75

Would the other flight attendant think it was reasonable to have to do more work than this woman? pnwmom Sep 2015 #92

Again, the other flight attendant isn't the person who determines reasonable accommodation Gormy Cuss Sep 2015 #143

It would NOT be a "reasonable" accommodation if management were suddenly pnwmom Sep 2015 #147

You don't seem to understand that reasonable accommodation is the law. n/t Gormy Cuss Sep 2015 #150

I certainly do. But the law doesn't define "reasonable" -- that will be left to people. pnwmom Sep 2015 #152

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I trust that you understand the burden is on the employer Gormy Cuss Sep 2015 #268

An alcohol free flight?! LOL!! Booze is a critical $$ maker riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #148

Then they won't make that choice. Gormy Cuss Sep 2015 #151

This Muslimah wants others to do her job riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #154

Then the court will rule against her. n/t Gormy Cuss Sep 2015 #173

There isn't any way to do this without tying their scheduling system into pretzel shapes. pnwmom Sep 2015 #168

people want to fall all over themselves to make sure that some fundies have their fee fees protected Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #176

"management can choose to make it an alcohol-free flight." ... Oh, fuck that. Arugula Latte Sep 2015 #163

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That might work in First Class dflprincess Sep 2015 #161

Only on much larger aircraft TuxedoKat Sep 2015 #196

Having worked 30 years for NWA I can tell you we Puglover Sep 2015 #289

Thank you. nt riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #295

I agree TuxedoKat Sep 2015 #296

Granted we at NWA were fiesty Puglover Sep 2015 #299

so it would be reasonable if she was a bartender? Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #175

I think I've encountered a few Muslim LuvNewcastle Sep 2015 #185

Does that sound reasonable? Being a bartender is intrinsicly about serving liquor. Gormy Cuss Sep 2015 #186

there's not an infinite amount of staff on airplanes, nor is there generally a ton of room to move Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #216

Title VII, Civil Rights Act of 1964 Gormy Cuss Sep 2015 #225

I would think reasonable accomodation would mean if you need to wear a yarmulke or hajib, you can. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #226

Well yes, it does boil down to what is considered 'reasonable' Gormy Cuss Sep 2015 #267

Is it better to let fundamentalists make our personal decisions for us? Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #269

Because it's the law? Gormy Cuss Sep 2015 #273

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That same logic was used by some after the ADA became law. Gormy Cuss Sep 2015 #275

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Why should another worker have to pick up both of their jobs....? TipTok Sep 2015 #74

Because the law says so. Employers are obligated to make reasonable accommodation. X_Digger Sep 2015 #78

The law says reasonable... TipTok Sep 2015 #85

*shrug* Take it up with the EEOC. n/t X_Digger Sep 2015 #86

Maybe the other employees would not find this so "reasonable." Serving booze can get tetchy. WinkyDink Sep 2015 #103

Reasonable is in the eye of the employer, not other employees. But yes, 'tetchy' applies. n/t X_Digger Sep 2015 #106

"Reasonable." But from the descriptions here of people who know pnwmom Sep 2015 #115

It seems the airline found it reasonable, but revoked it based on other employee criticism. X_Digger Sep 2015 #118

well, I think she should find another job. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #230

Until the law is changed or repealed, reasonable accommodations must be made. X_Digger Sep 2015 #234

It all depends on what's reasonable. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #236

See my previous comment re huff, stamp, and shout. It seems to have eluded you. n/t X_Digger Sep 2015 #237

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I think employers have to follow Title VII of the Civil Rights Act (1964). X_Digger Sep 2015 #243

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Had anyone (other than you) proposed that, then we'd have a chat. X_Digger Sep 2015 #245

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That's one reductio ad absurdum accommodation that someone here mentioned, yes. X_Digger Sep 2015 #248

So pharmacist refuses to fill BC prescription, cab driver ditches lesbian couple, elected official Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #249

Keep your fingers out of my mouth. My words come out just fine without help. X_Digger Sep 2015 #251

And sometimes those requests seriously fuck up the necessary delivery of services. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #254

And sometimes the employers make the case to the EEOC and prevail as an undue hardship. X_Digger Sep 2015 #255

Yes I know how totally unreasonable to expect, say, cabdrivers not to abandon a lesbian couple Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #256

Finished with the wharrgarble, yet? If not, please proceed. X_Digger Sep 2015 #263

not gonna answer, huh. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #270

*yawn* X_Digger Sep 2015 #278

So pharmacists and cab drivers aren't regulated and licensed by the state? Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #280

When you start a post with "So..", I know some strawman bullshit is coming. X_Digger Sep 2015 #281

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #282

"So, okay- you don't..." --- you're doing it again. Stop that. X_Digger Sep 2015 #283

Just because I use the word "so" doesn't mean I'm putting words in your mouth. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #284

"So apparently they're gonna be defacto no booze flights"... X_Digger Sep 2015 #285

The 'information we've been given' contains data points like "her coworkers complained" Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #287

The complaint also complained about a 'book with foreign words'. Sounds a bit prejudicial to me. X_Digger Sep 2015 #288

Maybe. I guess the court will decide. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #298

It is most certainly UNREASONABLE if her co-workers say it is. And they have. MADem Sep 2015 #79

Unreasonable is in the eye of the employer, not other workers. X_Digger Sep 2015 #84

No--employEES. If her peers say "Our workload is increased without compensation because she MADem Sep 2015 #87

A transfer is a reasonable accommodation, per CRA II / EEOC guidelines. X_Digger Sep 2015 #89

Why would one employee's gripe take precedence over another's subsequent one? WinkyDink Sep 2015 #187

We do that all the time-- see what constitutes a hostile workplace, employment discrimination, etc. X_Digger Sep 2015 #188

Interestingly, for this Muslim woman to want ANOTHER person to serve the alcohol FOR her, is to seek WinkyDink Sep 2015 #191

Yeah, I'm not gonna tell someone how to do their religion, thanks. n/t X_Digger Sep 2015 #192

I'll mock Islam as much as the next person mocks Christianity. WinkyDink Sep 2015 #258

I left that concept behind in about the 3rd grade. X_Digger Sep 2015 #264

Well, aren'y you special? I believe in govt hands-off religion, as in "Shall establish no....." WinkyDink Sep 2015 #271

"Mommy, he did it first!" -- sounds kinda not quite adult. n/t X_Digger Sep 2015 #279

If the division of labor is affected, and the employee can't carry out the elements of the job, then MADem Sep 2015 #198

I think what a mercuryblues Sep 2015 #197

+10 million!!!! Nt riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #222

Most Expressjets flights are single flight attendant. MADem Sep 2015 #224

Clearly expressjet needs to stop serving alcohol, then. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #240

Someone on the video said they use small planes and sometimes there's only one pnwmom Sep 2015 #90

A shift / flight swap would sound reasonable in that case. X_Digger Sep 2015 #91

That's not a good analogy. They often don't know how full their flights will be till very close pnwmom Sep 2015 #94

Is the number of attendants based on passengers or plane size? X_Digger Sep 2015 #96

Based on plane size TuxedoKat Sep 2015 #99

Thanks for setting this all out so clearly. In short, it's not a simple accommodation. n/t pnwmom Sep 2015 #110

Thanks TuxedoKat Sep 2015 #130

You did a good job explaining it. This is so much more complicated than saying: pnwmom Sep 2015 #136

3/5ths of their flights are solo FA's. She can't work 3/5ths of the schedule already riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #102

Then the employer can go before the EEOC and explain why it's a hardship. X_Digger Sep 2015 #107

making someone else do your job is BULLSHIT Skittles Sep 2015 #111

What if someone wants to order bacon? Reter Sep 2015 #144

I'm not the religious police. Which tenets of her faith she holds important aren't up to me. n/t X_Digger Sep 2015 #153

They should treestar Sep 2015 #13

Having another attendant serve the alcohol seems reasonable . nt geek tragedy Sep 2015 #16

If the other attendants think it is reasonable. 'You should do my work for me because God' is not Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #26

Ugh, so the company has to maneuver the schedule so she's never the single attendant riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #30

+1000 smirkymonkey Sep 2015 #55

Single attendant planes does change the equation and likely geek tragedy Sep 2015 #61

At most they have two. Service of beverages is a large and crappy part of the job. Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #68

Increase another employee's workload to accommodate religious bias? Fire her AND the court clerk. cherokeeprogressive Sep 2015 #27

The Court Clerk holds an elected position and can't be fired (although she can be impeached). n/t PoliticAverse Sep 2015 #33

I did not know that... but I would dearly like to see her gone. cherokeeprogressive Sep 2015 #35

Reasonable? HassleCat Sep 2015 #64

No. Not reasonable. MADem Sep 2015 #82

She needs a new gig. I have zero respect for that sort of thing. If she is opposed to alcohol she Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #17

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2015 #18

So if Kim were gay Politicalboi Sep 2015 #25

They're using it to show how Davis is being unfairly "persecuted" pinstikfartherin Sep 2015 #19

Alright!!!! Politicalboi Sep 2015 #22

Can I just say, CrispyQ Sep 2015 #23

so she can refuse to serve non-muslims, bare-headed women, or any other thing she decides msongs Sep 2015 #24

She shouldn't even be talking to strange men, if we're gonna get down to it. MADem Sep 2015 #83

Excellent point. she's being very selective in which beliefs need to be accommodated. pnwmom Sep 2015 #112

What bullshit. So sick of these whiny religious nutbags using their mythology in this way. Arugula Latte Sep 2015 #29

+1000 smirkymonkey Sep 2015 #56

Amend the Constitution then. rug Sep 2015 #133

EEOC Sues Star Transport, Inc. for Religious Discrimination (5-29-2013) PoliticAverse Sep 2015 #32

That judgement put Star Transport out of business iirc riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #39

I don't think a reasonable can be made for her. Ilsa Sep 2015 #34

Bring this up the next time a Republican complains about the treatment of Kim Davis J_J_ Sep 2015 #36

Hypocrisy links all things reich wing. Their shining example is Napoleon from "Animal Farm." kairos12 Sep 2015 #45

I got stuck in a line of cars leaving Dulles airport because... displacedtexan Sep 2015 #42

...and Hobby Lobby has opened the gates to much more of this. kairos12 Sep 2015 #46

Try to make a reasonable accommodation, if that didn't work, needed to find another job. uppityperson Sep 2015 #43

She should takea clue from the Iranian students HassleCat Sep 2015 #58

There is no test to determine if the belief has grounding in any religion. JoePhilly Sep 2015 #59

True, in theory HassleCat Sep 2015 #63

That's the slippery slope I'm looking forward to. JoePhilly Sep 2015 #65

Your Iranian peers didn't know their English grammar, then. "Not a drop" is not a synonym for "Drop WinkyDink Sep 2015 #104

I think maybe they knew that (eom) HassleCat Sep 2015 #139

I grew up with a lot of Iranian exiles in Orange County Sen. Walter Sobchak Sep 2015 #157

I am sick of this shit. The whole thing will fall apart if everyone has to have an accommodation mnhtnbb Sep 2015 #62

In July of 2010 we took a taxi at DFW to home in Irving. 7wo7rees Sep 2015 #70

There was a controversy also at an airport where the Muslim drivers refused pnwmom Sep 2015 #93

WTF?! Arugula Latte Sep 2015 #97

On several occasions I have had taxi drivers refuse to take me and my brother Sen. Walter Sobchak Sep 2015 #156

Such bullshit. Initech Sep 2015 #72

The stupid fundie imbecile doesn't have to drink it. Codeine Sep 2015 #73

Her "religious accommodation" causes an undue burden on other FAs. MADem Sep 2015 #77

absolutely correct Skittles Sep 2015 #125

Then you would be in favour of changing the constitution and re-writing all of legal precedent on Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #155

No, they're demanding to know why she's not in jail like the Kentucky woman... JHB Sep 2015 #80

does she pray 5 times a day too? Sorry, you don't get to pick and choose... JCMach1 Sep 2015 #88

They should, she's a religious hypocrite just like they all are. CharlotteVale Sep 2015 #95

"it's incumbent upon employers to provide a safe environment where employees can feel they can WinkyDink Sep 2015 #100

She should not have taken the job under those circumstances... LeftishBrit Sep 2015 #109

Add me to "if you can't do the job find a different job". Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #114

Republicans would physically throw her off the plane! yuiyoshida Sep 2015 #137

A very long time ago, when I was trying to get hired SheilaT Sep 2015 #138

I don't personally consider that accommodation to be reasonable. David__77 Sep 2015 #141

Going to give her the same sympathy I'd give a Jewish server who has to bring a customer a BLT. . . Jake Stern Sep 2015 #149

If religion is getting in the way of a job switch jobs. Devil Child Sep 2015 #158

+10 840high Sep 2015 #159

I don't know what the law is on a job Snobblevitch Sep 2015 #160

I live in Mpls. hifiguy Sep 2015 #214

From 2014: kiva Sep 2015 #166

And people around here shit a collective brick over Uber's pesky "libertarianism" Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #178

Uber drivers are also guilty of this kiva Sep 2015 #189

Putting a service dog in the TRUNK? hifiguy Sep 2015 #215

I'm not surprised, and I agree with your last sentence. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #219

Uber is the same thing without any recourse. Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #293

Fair enough. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #297

Of course they won't awoke_in_2003 Sep 2015 #190

I'm sure she knew the job included serving alcohol. RandySF Sep 2015 #203

She DID the job for years serving alcohol. MADem Sep 2015 #218

No one is forcing her to drink the alcohol. Sorry it was part of the job description when Pisces Sep 2015 #221

Allah has cursed Alcohol oberliner Sep 2015 #223

"one who consumes the money from its sale" - who does she get her paycheck from? Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #260

Was this before or after he rode the winged horse to Heaven? Arugula Latte Sep 2015 #262

Interesting she's being selective in her outrage. Alcohol - bad. 5x/day prayer - meh riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #266

And yet the Sultan of Brunei owns the Polo Lounge, which is one bar among many owed by him Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #291

You'd think she was asked to perform in-flight pig slaughtering DFW Sep 2015 #239

She's 40 ..and SHE changed things up..not the airline SoCalDem Sep 2015 #242

Honestly, let's just let the most controlling fundamentalists among us write the rules for everyone Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #257

No one is asking her to consume alcohol, now are they? Raster Sep 2015 #253

See post #223. WinkyDink Sep 2015 #259

Well, it's not like logic or reason has ever intersected w/ any of these Abrahamic religions. Arugula Latte Sep 2015 #261

Please see this post about federal law, delivering alcohol, and an actual EEOC case... PoliticAverse Sep 2015 #277

what's funny is she says she only found out about the restrictions of alcohol after she converted JI7 Sep 2015 #286

Who would drink that crap anyway. ileus Sep 2015 #290

Yes do your job. stonecutter357 Sep 2015 #300