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The Jungle 1

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68. Correct
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 09:23 AM
Sep 2015

Which is why the trade unions in my area have excellent early retirement plans. These workers have to get a certain amount of hours in over time and then can retire. It amounts to 30 and out. But you may have to put in more years because of bad years of little work. Retirement at 55 is not unusual. I never said the work was cushy, it is low stress.

The issue you bring up is important because republican keep talking about raising the retirement age. For the Americans who do physical labor for a living increasing the retirement age is not something that can happen. 65 year old carpenters or iron workers is not something that will workout.

What I would like you to consider is if the Unions can offer and fund these early retirements then so can corporate America. The trade unions run/manage their own pensions. They collect the money from the companies and invest it. They have an excellent record with these funds. So the question is why can't corporate America and our state governments do the same?

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''Outside the Gates...'' Octafish Sep 2015 #1
Octafish, we've been saying that for YEARS. raven mad Sep 2015 #51
Serfs. Controlled. Yep. nt SusanCalvin Sep 2015 #53
The higher ed system in the US is fundamentally flawed oberliner Sep 2015 #2
The one percent and their whores in government have turned it into a commodity Doctor_J Sep 2015 #3
Exactly, Dr. J. raven mad Sep 2015 #69
It is a statement about how adjunct Profs are treated n/t n2doc Sep 2015 #5
No it's not oberliner Sep 2015 #6
We will just have to disagree n2doc Sep 2015 #7
Um...I thought this one was obvious. Chan790 Sep 2015 #11
You missed it oberliner Sep 2015 #15
Do you understand that comic artists use metaphors? spooky3 Sep 2015 #20
Next you're going to tell me that the Jim Crow character isn't a literal crow! Orrex Sep 2015 #24
I hope you're sitting down... spooky3 Sep 2015 #36
Why is this level of genius being wasted here? JackRiddler Sep 2015 #45
Thanks oberliner Sep 2015 #47
You're kidding, right? paleotn Sep 2015 #46
Hmmm oberliner Sep 2015 #48
Seems to me the point is that adjunct professors are treated like day laborers. Fozzledick Sep 2015 #60
That's what makes it satire ... eppur_se_muova Sep 2015 #50
It is showing how adjunct faculty are essentially spooky3 Sep 2015 #12
^^^^^^ this (nt) sunnystarr Sep 2015 #61
It can't be both? daleanime Sep 2015 #16
It is both. GoneFishin Sep 2015 #19
exactly what I was about to say. marym625 Sep 2015 #41
The point is that people with PhDs who dom't. Get tenore at. Colleges or universities are treated JDPriestly Sep 2015 #17
A small point but spooky3 Sep 2015 #21
So wrong Brainstormy Sep 2015 #25
And I have been a faculty member and at times, spooky3 Sep 2015 #32
Actually, adjuncts are usually hired on specifically to do research. GoCubsGo Sep 2015 #26
At our college and the surrounding ones "adjunct" is just an umbrella term for part time teacher. Gidney N Cloyd Sep 2015 #30
My point is that they are not simply (or not at all,for some people) faculty who didn't get tenure. spooky3 Sep 2015 #33
Right. GoCubsGo Sep 2015 #34
Agreed. spooky3 Sep 2015 #37
That adjuncts are not expected to do research does not justify paying them such low JDPriestly Sep 2015 #64
Nowhere did I argue that adjuncts are well paid. spooky3 Sep 2015 #71
Adjunct professors in this area make, maybe $10,000 per semester. And they carry 1monster Sep 2015 #31
It's directly about adjuncts and indirectly about day laborers brush Sep 2015 #44
OK fair enough oberliner Sep 2015 #49
EXACTLY, AND! (but) SusanCalvin Sep 2015 #54
agreed. And, as an offshoot, teachers in general Doctor_J Sep 2015 #8
And....... MyOwnPeace Sep 2015 #62
Yes. They are treated like crap in the quest for ever higher profits. It is both. GoneFishin Sep 2015 #18
i agree barbtries Sep 2015 #29
I was an adjunct professor at several colleges... StarzGuy Sep 2015 #42
me too before I got a full time gig. one of the places I adjuncted at had adjuncts Doctor_J Sep 2015 #74
Higher-ed is becoming a scam. Degrees are becoming more expensive and less valuable erronis Sep 2015 #9
Yes, I agree oberliner Sep 2015 #10
Bingo, at least in some cases. nt SusanCalvin Sep 2015 #55
Even as tuition increases at 2.5-3.0 times the rate of inflation, that money isn't going into tblue37 Sep 2015 #28
well said. Don't forget to bbgrunt Sep 2015 #35
Please make this an OP. nt SusanCalvin Sep 2015 #56
K&R abelenkpe Sep 2015 #4
3 Panel Soul did it years ago TlalocW Sep 2015 #13
Day Laborers.... ewagner Sep 2015 #23
And so did Trudeau himself TomVilmer Sep 2015 #27
FOUND IT - Trudeau did same story line in 1996 TomVilmer Sep 2015 #67
The Grapes of Wrath - 2015. lpbk2713 Sep 2015 #14
Really. SusanCalvin Sep 2015 #57
My take on this 1939 Sep 2015 #22
Eek, painfullly funny! nt Babel_17 Sep 2015 #38
Brilliant! cer7711 Sep 2015 #39
Hilarious colsohlibgal Sep 2015 #40
Another great Doonesbury strip Gothmog Sep 2015 #43
Disturbing The Jungle 1 Sep 2015 #52
Best case. SusanCalvin Sep 2015 #58
A job that destroys your body Fumesucker Sep 2015 #66
Correct The Jungle 1 Sep 2015 #68
Absolutely, regarding the retirement age. SusanCalvin Sep 2015 #72
Trade work can be as stressful as anything else Fumesucker Sep 2015 #73
Yea ok we just have a different overall view The Jungle 1 Sep 2015 #75
Education is about becoming the best and most well informed person you can be. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #65
Agreed The Jungle 1 Sep 2015 #70
Painful but true. Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #59
Look at all those "elitist liberals". salib Sep 2015 #63
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