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progressoid

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17. Organic farmers actually end up using more pesticides.
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 10:47 PM
Sep 2015

In fact, organic farmers do use pesticides. The only difference is that they're "natural" instead of "synthetic." At face value, the labels make it sound like the products they describe are worlds apart, but they aren't. A pesticide, whether it's natural or not, is a chemical with the purpose of killing insects (or warding off animals, or destroying weeds, or mitigating any other kind of pest, as our watchful commenters have correctly pointed out). Sadly, however, "natural" pesticides aren't as effective, so organic farmers actually end up using more of them!*

Moreover, we actually know less about the effects of "natural" pesticides. Conventional "synthetic" pesticides are highly regulated and have been for some time. We know that any remaining pesticide residues on both conventional and organic produce aren't harmful to consumers. But, writes agricultural technologist Steve Savage, "we still have no real data about the most likely pesticide residues that occur on organic crops and we are unlikely to get any."

Scientists can examine pesticides before they are sprayed on fields, however. And what do these analyses show?

"Organic pesticides that are studied have been found to be as toxic as synthetic pesticides," Steven Novella, president and co-founder of the New England Skeptical Society, recently wrote.

http://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2014/06/the_biggest_myth_about_organic_farming.html

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Okay what is the deal with Organic foods? Rex Sep 2015 #1
I grow lots of food in my yard, and it would all be considered "organic." HuckleB Sep 2015 #3
Organic farmers actually end up using more pesticides. progressoid Sep 2015 #17
This is "guilt by association." immoderate Sep 2015 #2
I probably have you on ignore because evidence does not matter to you. HuckleB Sep 2015 #4
You are making implications about people by associating them with Roulac. immoderate Sep 2015 #9
+1000 G_j Sep 2015 #11
BTW, I'm very tolerant. HuckleB Sep 2015 #5
I'm here longer, and AFAIK, no one else has had me on ignore. immoderate Sep 2015 #7
You wouldn't know. HuckleB Sep 2015 #8
I did respond. Did I make it before the lock? immoderate Sep 2015 #10
Noting that your posts have no content is an insult? HuckleB Sep 2015 #14
My response is pretty evident. Your obstinacy noted. Guilt by association. immoderate Sep 2015 #15
It has been subjected to independent study. progressoid Sep 2015 #18
Thanks. I've gone through these. immoderate Sep 2015 #22
Who finances them? Click on the study to find out. progressoid Sep 2015 #26
I meant the aggregate studies. But where does all this money originate? immoderate Sep 2015 #34
Of course I know Syngenta produces GMOs. progressoid Sep 2015 #36
Studies of feedlot animals are not long term. immoderate Sep 2015 #37
OK, progressoid Sep 2015 #40
Each of these studies cite some organic anomalies. immoderate Sep 2015 #41
Those concerns can be applied to non-gmo crops as well. progressoid Sep 2015 #44
Yep. But latching on to GMOs and their pesticides exacerbates some of that. immoderate Sep 2015 #46
Honk. HuckleB Sep 2015 #6
HAHAHAHA laundry_queen Sep 2015 #12
You haven't bothered to read it. HuckleB Sep 2015 #13
Why ‘GMO-free’ is a marketing ploy you shouldn’t fall for HuckleB Sep 2015 #16
"Keeping you scared is the key to their political and business strategy" Major Nikon Sep 2015 #20
Unfortunately, if too many of them buy into that, food insecurity could be worsened. HuckleB Sep 2015 #21
That's a big if Major Nikon Sep 2015 #23
The vast majority doesn't have to know for the few to have an ugly effect. HuckleB Sep 2015 #24
All sorts of hucksters prey on the poor Major Nikon Sep 2015 #25
I won't deny the first part, however... HuckleB Sep 2015 #27
Certainly some are doing it for the profit motive Major Nikon Sep 2015 #28
And the reason they are chemophobic is because of propaganda pushed by profiteers. HuckleB Sep 2015 #30
Some of them Major Nikon Sep 2015 #31
Again, they were pushed in that direction. HuckleB Sep 2015 #32
We don't need products to be voluntarily labeled GMO-free, as the Republican bill calls for. pnwmom Sep 2015 #29
Wow! One of the four people I've ignored are still posting to this old thread. HuckleB Sep 2015 #19
And I'm happy to be one of them. immoderate Sep 2015 #33
When those I can't see defend a scumbag like this, well, it's sad. HuckleB Sep 2015 #35
Pointing to a scumbag, doesn't validate your arguments! immoderate Sep 2015 #38
Why Vaccine and GMO Denial Should be Treated Equally HuckleB Sep 2015 #39
ANTI-GMO ACTIVISTS AND CLIMATE CHANGE DENIERS – NO SCIENCE HuckleB Sep 2015 #42
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Organic food: the biggest scam since bottled water HuckleB Sep 2015 #45
The war against genetically modified organisms is full of fearmongering, errors, and fraud. HuckleB Sep 2015 #47
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