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hunter

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87. My mom finds Paul much more than "annoying," and is outspoken about it.
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 11:15 AM
Sep 2015

When I was a kid discussions about religion, within our family, or within any Christian community our family hadn't yet been expelled from, were fraught with danger.

My mom is the sort of person who always says what she thinks to anyone. She'd argue with the Pope. She'll argue with God.

Many of her ancestors had landed in the U.S. "Wild West" because they were pacifists and heretics escaping Europe and the U.S. Civil War. They ended up being non-Mormons in what became Mormon territory. My mom's dad, went so far as to be a Conscientious Objector during World War II. They gave him a choice: prison or building Liberty and Victory ships. He was a welder, he built ships. He also got beaten by the police for protesting the Japanese internment.

I live in a very matriarchal family. My great grandmas were Wild West fierce. The men in our family respect the religion of their wives.

Starting school I was a Jehovah's Witness. My mom was fiercely rebelling against the Catholic Church at the time, she'd once wanted to be a nun, but an encounter with a leering, smoking, drinking priest turned her away from that path. She met my dad, they married, and had lots of kids.

Being the kid who sat out the Pledge added to my aura of weirdness. My fourth grade teacher went so far as to use me as an example of religious freedom in the U.S.A.. I think she meant well, but all those eyes on me, I had to run away.

My mom got kicked out of the Jehovah's Witnesses for her outspoken participation in politics, and then we were Quaker. Quakers could listen respectfully to my mom and then move on without fireworks.

I live in a liberal Catholic Community. Our Parish was strongly against the war in Iraq and is very strongly supportive of immigrant's civil rights. My wife and I raised our kids Catholic and I don't feel bad about that. As adults our kids are the same sort of heretics as everyone in our family because they were never taught to respect certain sorts of "authority" or to passively accept any kind of punishment, either real, or as a threat.

"Questioning authority" in our family has never been a sin.

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What I find funny is people say that the Bible is God's Oneironaut Sep 2015 #1
But then why would God have bother sending us Jesus LynneSin Sep 2015 #4
Or getting three divorces KamaAina Sep 2015 #37
thank you for explaining exactly how I feel Stargazer99 Sep 2015 #2
Have you read the Bible? ryan_cats Sep 2015 #3
My answers LynneSin Sep 2015 #7
My mom finds Paul much more than "annoying," and is outspoken about it. hunter Sep 2015 #87
I'd argue with the Pope but was more with the last one LynneSin Sep 2015 #88
We know what Paul was supposed to have said about Damascus -- not what Jesus said. n/t pnwmom Sep 2015 #77
I am a Christian but think this would be better posted in the Religion Forum. nt el_bryanto Sep 2015 #5
Once in a blue moon I want people to see this LynneSin Sep 2015 #8
Here shenmue Sep 2015 #6
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Kick. Agschmid Sep 2015 #10
I'm in. (Now I just hope I don't go to Hell for ... 11 Bravo Sep 2015 #11
Hey as long as you aren't a Cowboys fan we're good LynneSin Sep 2015 #13
It's worse than that. I'm a Skins fan. 11 Bravo Sep 2015 #24
Like I said, as long as you aren't a Cowboys fan we're good LynneSin Sep 2015 #25
Agreed. I often find myself agreeing with non-Christians jwirr Sep 2015 #12
People like Ted Cruz and Pat Buchannon use the bible for selfish purposes LynneSin Sep 2015 #15
I was lucky enough to have grown up poor. Judging jwirr Sep 2015 #20
I have no problem with proud Christians DFW Sep 2015 #14
I know non-Christians with strong faith than so-called Christians out there LynneSin Sep 2015 #16
It's fun to pretend it is 'those others' but it is a fact that DU loves the Pope, who is also Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #17
DU loves the Pope, hates Muslims, and thinks as long as it's "just one prayer" closeupready Sep 2015 #23
DU hates Muslims? KamaAina Sep 2015 #38
From what I've seen, yes. closeupready Sep 2015 #39
Well someone posted it so it must be true LynneSin Sep 2015 #74
Peace, Sister RobertEarl Sep 2015 #18
So are you supposed to kill your neighbor for working on Sunday or not? snooper2 Sep 2015 #19
Only if he is mowing the lawn at 7 in the morning! jwirr Sep 2015 #22
Or running the f*)#$)% leaf blower LynneSin Sep 2015 #26
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You are not responsible for your co-religionists Scootaloo Sep 2015 #28
I don't ask you to share my religion because to me religion is a personal choice LynneSin Sep 2015 #34
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This is my measure of who's a real follower of their God/Religion or not. Sunlei Sep 2015 #31
You don't need religion for that. Arugula Latte Sep 2015 #41
You're right,Religion doesn't matter. Bonus is, the golden rule is in the Christians' bible. Sunlei Sep 2015 #43
If I'm not mistaken, a paraphrasing of The Golden Rule is Ilsa Sep 2015 #76
I'm in. xmas74 Sep 2015 #32
It's hard to remember sarisataka Sep 2015 #33
There is a huge difference between the Christian Left and the Christian Right steve2470 Sep 2015 #35
I'm in. Staph Sep 2015 #36
+1 nt steve2470 Sep 2015 #42
I am glad to hear this, more Christians like yourself need to stand up and be heard. Rex Sep 2015 #40
I'm more of a Jimmy Carter Christian than a Kim Davis Christian (nt) Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #44
We need more Jimmy Carters in this world LynneSin Sep 2015 #75
Checking in. Right there with you. hamsterjill Sep 2015 #45
Thank you Lynne! Liberal Jesus Freak Sep 2015 #46
To be honest, I don't think I'd be a Democrat if I were not Christian. LanternWaste Sep 2015 #47
Funny. LiberalAndProud Sep 2015 #53
The journeys we make as individuals may often be quite singular and rather unique LanternWaste Sep 2015 #55
That is very true, and I think that our religious liberties are very precious. LiberalAndProud Sep 2015 #56
you don't need religion to think or do the right thing Skittles Sep 2015 #57
Amen to that! mnhtnbb Sep 2015 #68
So you use your religion to decide to be democrat, and they use it and decided to be republican. nt Logical Sep 2015 #58
Thank you for writing this J_J_ Sep 2015 #48
I see them as more Paulists than Christians LynneSin Sep 2015 #49
Checking in! phylny Sep 2015 #50
Two of my favorite people online are Christians who know their bibles Warpy Sep 2015 #51
yes +10000000000 J_J_ Sep 2015 #54
Pride is a sin. El Supremo Sep 2015 #52
Fellow believer here, saying "Amen"! MuttLikeMe Sep 2015 #59
They are not "abusing your faith" any more than you are abusing theirs. Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #60
Good points. There are 100s of religions. All made up stuff. nt Logical Sep 2015 #61
There are 100's of religions. Precisely. There are 100's of Christian denominations mnhtnbb Sep 2015 #69
That's like saying fans of Nickelback are as credible as their critics. rug Sep 2015 #62
Actually that's an excellent analogy, there is no objective standard, its... Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #94
This ^ PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #91
Well said, LynneSin. brer cat Sep 2015 #63
I probably have paid too much attention to the nutcase "Christians" and their leaders because AlinPA Sep 2015 #64
K&R. Geat Post.eom lunamagica Sep 2015 #65
Christian, and...... Aristus Sep 2015 #66
Hiya, Lynne Maeve Sep 2015 #67
I am probably pretty close to the same place. mnhtnbb Sep 2015 #70
I have friends who are good Christians, too Maeve Sep 2015 #71
My church is the world around me LynneSin Sep 2015 #73
Very well stated mcar Sep 2015 #72
Did you know that Thomas Jefferson created his own version of the Christian Bible, pnwmom Sep 2015 #78
I know I am going to get a ton of shit for this...but I have a question LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #79
GREAT point. trotsky Sep 2015 #90
There is nobody trumpeting Leviticus who is a Christian. raouldukelives Sep 2015 #80
Good - now what do you do about them? whatthehey Sep 2015 #81
We're trying. They're better funded but we're trying LynneSin Sep 2015 #82
The media doesn't listen to us. We are entirely too normal. kwassa Sep 2015 #83
Did Robertson et al whine about being ignored in the beginning? whatthehey Sep 2015 #85
Frankly, I don't think you know what you are talking about. kwassa Sep 2015 #98
I keep wondering why this thread doesn't have hundreds of names, a few thousand views riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #84
Good post-checking in jcboon Sep 2015 #86
"people like me who stick with what Jesus said" trotsky Sep 2015 #89
Not to mention they don't stick to everything Jesus said, that would be... Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #93
Yeah, I stick with everything Jesus said. trotsky Sep 2015 #95
Liberal or Conservative, even Fundamentalists all have selective reading... Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #96
Honestly, Jesus wasn't that good a moral teacher, your highly selective reading of the... Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #92
I would like to hear a liberal Christian response to this concern abouth their religion. st17011864200074656 Sep 2015 #97
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