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336. Fine, believe what you want. But if what you believe causes you to harm

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 01:06 PM

Sep 2015

others because your deity tells you to, then your religion is totally fucked up, and dangerous.

As a natural born LGBT, I have completely justifiable concerns about self-deceived religious people, who are so convinced of the absolute truth in their holy books that they consciously and/or unconsciously, and directly and/or indirectly, commit crimes against innocent human beings because they believe it is their god's will.

Tens, maybe even hundreds, of millions of innocent people throughout history have been harmed by self-deceived religious people who knew that the absolute, unquestionable truth contained in their god book and/or taught to them by their holy leader dude was telling them to hurt others.

Kim Davis is one current illustration of the self-deceived, self-righteous religious person of which I am speaking in the paragraphs above.

The following excerpt from When Hate Groups Come to Town, a publication of the Center for Democratic Renewal, offers some specific insights into the Christian religious right wing’s view of homosexuality:

http://www.revelandriot.com/resources/religion/

The Persecution of Witches, 21st-Century Style

Most people believe that the persecution of “witches” reached its height in the early 1690s with the trials in Salem, Mass., but it is a grim paradox of 21st-century life that violence against people accused of sorcery is very much still with us. Far from fading away, thanks to digital interconnectedness and economic development, witch hunting has become a growing, global problem.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/05/opinion/the-persecution-of-witches-21st-century-style.html

By all means, feel free to believe whatever you like, and if it works for you, and you are not hurting anyone, wonderful.

Just please don't consciously or unconsciously hurt anyone because you are convinced that you are supposed to hurt them because your god desires it.

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Attention Atheist, can you please do me a favor and listen to me....... [View all] Coolest Ranger Sep 2015 OP

Religious beliefs deserve to be mocked, regardless of political affiliation. Deadshot Sep 2015 #1

As an atheist, I disagree. Throd Sep 2015 #3

+1 Salviati Sep 2015 #16

I think creationists are idiots. No different. nt Logical Sep 2015 #25

+1 Deadshot Sep 2015 #60

Has it ever crossed your mind that, maybe, God was the inventor of evolution? Cal33 Sep 2015 #88

Which "God" are you talking about? There are 100s. nt Logical Sep 2015 #100

There is only one God, but there are hundreds of ways of believing in Him. And I don't think Cal33 Sep 2015 #113

I believe in Zeus. I see the Sky. How else did it get there? nt Logical Sep 2015 #123

Two of the all-time great physicists had opposing opinions: Hawking is an atheist. Cal33 Sep 2015 #202

I will admit that topic is intriguing...... Logical Sep 2015 #204

You haven't read any of IANDS OR NDERF yet. Read at least something on "ABOUT NDERF," Cal33 Sep 2015 #208

Thanks for the nice post and suggestion. I hope there is an afterlife! nt Logical Sep 2015 #212

there's no evidence those experiences are anything more than the oxygen-starved brain playing Fast Walker 52 Sep 2015 #316

Maybe you didn't read the post very carefully. The woman was born blind. Would Cal33 Sep 2015 #340

I saw that... not sure how meaningful that is Fast Walker 52 Sep 2015 #356

The doctors and nurses she spoke with later about what they were doing and saying Cal33 Sep 2015 #359

I don't know the explanation but of course this doesn't prove the existence of god Fast Walker 52 Sep 2015 #367

Einstein used the word "God" as a synonym for the order of the universe... Silent3 Sep 2015 #354

Yes. It is common now for people to use the words "universe" and "God" synonymously. To Cal33 Sep 2015 #355

I sincerely doubt Einstein ever described his idea of God as a "Supreme Intelligence"... Silent3 Sep 2015 #358

Why must intelligence imply personality? Most people don't know how the food Cal33 Sep 2015 #360

What kind of God is it for which you can describe no attributes? Silent3 Sep 2015 #362

Not describing God's attributes by humans does not imply that He doesn't have any. On Cal33 Sep 2015 #366

How do you know there is only one god? bvf Sep 2015 #135

It's a question of belief. I can neither prove nor disprove anything. By the way, it wouldn't Cal33 Sep 2015 #209

then why believe in one of them or any of them? Fast Walker 52 Sep 2015 #315

Because it feels right to me. Please read my reply to AlbertCat just below. Cal33 Sep 2015 #343

There is only one God, AlbertCat Sep 2015 #317

Many have become disappointed in their religion and have left. It Cal33 Sep 2015 #342

Ooooo... very philosophical! AlbertCat Sep 2015 #351

I have gone through that stage, too. That's okay. We all go through changes. This life Cal33 Sep 2015 #353

I have gone through that stage, too. AlbertCat Sep 2015 #357

So you've not yet gone through that stage, since you are still in it. :) Cal33 Sep 2015 #361

Clearly you haven't progressed beyond the stage... Silent3 Sep 2015 #363

S: Clearly you haven't progressed beyond the stage where you fancy yourself some Cal33 Sep 2015 #369

I wasn't implying that you "believed that we all go through the same experiences"... Silent3 Sep 2015 #373

since you are still in it. AlbertCat Sep 2015 #364

You've said that you have been the same way since age 8. This means Cal33 Sep 2015 #370

+1000. n/t pnwmom Sep 2015 #115

i agree. nt DesertFlower Sep 2015 #206

As another atheist I agree with you. BigDemVoter Sep 2015 #319

+100 Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #368

Did you even read what I wrote Coolest Ranger Sep 2015 #4

I said what I said. Deadshot Sep 2015 #5

People like you are the problem Coolest Ranger Sep 2015 #8

I have a problem with people acting all high and mighty because of their religion. Deadshot Sep 2015 #56

Yes, there are people like that in all religions, but they are the minority. The Cal33 Sep 2015 #99

but they are the minority. AlbertCat Sep 2015 #318

Then don't be like that. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2015 #105

Aren't you acting all high and mighty? treestar Sep 2015 #185

Whole lot of "I" DashOneBravo Sep 2015 #189

And add to that: who demand that their beliefs be irreproachable. Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #219

This message was self-deleted by its author d_r Sep 2015 #278

Post #3 has your number. nt MADem Sep 2015 #9

+1 G_j Sep 2015 #205

There was no need to say what you said. 840high Sep 2015 #201

I'm a Christian as well, phylny Sep 2015 #215

Why? if someone is a decent person, why mock their beliefs? uppityperson Sep 2015 #12

Because, in the case of Christianity, what those beliefs say about nonbelievers like me! st17011864200074656 Sep 2015 #300

How to Beat Your Slaves snooper2 Sep 2015 #326

Bigots deserve to be mocked, regardless of political affiliation. sarisataka Sep 2015 #13

why? - your position is no more provable than that of a believer DrDan Sep 2015 #28

Untrue WestCoastLib Sep 2015 #143

What evidence wold that be? rug Sep 2015 #145

Exactly WestCoastLib Sep 2015 #149

The problem is you cannot define the evidece to test the concept of God. rug Sep 2015 #152

The evidence and tests have been defined many times over WestCoastLib Sep 2015 #155

Post one. rug Sep 2015 #156

Here's an easy test WestCoastLib Sep 2015 #166

That's not a test. Unless yo're trying to find a puppet. rug Sep 2015 #171

Of course it's a test WestCoastLib Sep 2015 #173

You assume a god wold produce lightning at your request. rug Sep 2015 #176

No. I dont assume that. WestCoastLib Sep 2015 #179

It's flawed because if you were struck by ightning, there would be no measure of whether God did it. rug Sep 2015 #181

That's not how tests are run WestCoastLib Sep 2015 #186

Since that was not a test, it's just as well. rug Sep 2015 #191

So if you ask me to punch you in the nose sarisataka Sep 2015 #192

no, if you do manage to hit the nose it is likelier that you do exist. Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #221

What proof would you accept? sarisataka Sep 2015 #224

define the attributes of your gods. Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #225

God is infinite sarisataka Sep 2015 #227

"maybe He miraculously removed the cancer from the child in Guatemala that you read about." Arugula Latte Sep 2015 #229

Why does God allow sarisataka Sep 2015 #231

I do. Because there's no evidence for the existence of the supernatural. Arugula Latte Sep 2015 #233

If a person called me a fool sarisataka Sep 2015 #237

If you believe in a powerful creature that can intervene in human life, and then look at Arugula Latte Sep 2015 #238

The closest analogy I can think of sarisataka Sep 2015 #239

So you've shifted your God claims. Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #245

I think I have found the problem sarisataka Sep 2015 #255

My exact thought too. SammyWinstonJack Sep 2015 #249

Yes, very strange. And sometimes "He" wipes out an entire town but "miraculously" saves one person Arugula Latte Sep 2015 #250

I agree, utter nonsense. SammyWinstonJack Sep 2015 #252

A friend of mine's child died of sids. Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #240

Our first child died during her birth Bettie Sep 2015 #331

Epicurus put it very succinctly, how god makes no sense Fast Walker 52 Sep 2015 #314

the proof demanders keep withdrawing and changing the attributes of their gods Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #220

I don't think that's true at all. Marr Sep 2015 #320

That is an argmement based on philosophy, not evidence. rug Sep 2015 #341

It only depends on which God you are referring to. WestCoastLib Sep 2015 #344

That' already come up in this thread. rug Sep 2015 #345

That definition fails direct observation. WestCoastLib Sep 2015 #346

Your "hpothesis" is a paraphrase of Epiccurus. rug Sep 2015 #347

No. It's not. WestCoastLib Sep 2015 #348

Let's see . . . . rug Sep 2015 #349

You can only make it philosophy by changing the meaning of the words. WestCoastLib Sep 2015 #350

Er, no. The evidence reqires it be called philosophy. rug Sep 2015 #352

ah - the old "God does not exist because I do not believe in God" argument DrDan Sep 2015 #146

What are you talking about? WestCoastLib Sep 2015 #150

you made the claim there is no God because there is no evidence proving there is a God DrDan Sep 2015 #159

No I didn't WestCoastLib Sep 2015 #162

"atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities" DrDan Sep 2015 #163

No. atheism is the absence of belief that any deities exist. WestCoastLib Sep 2015 #168

seems to describe an agnostic DrDan Sep 2015 #174

I know where you got your definition WestCoastLib Sep 2015 #184

here is my view - and I accept that we might differ DrDan Sep 2015 #188

So, as an agnostic do you believe... WestCoastLib Sep 2015 #199

Spontaneous generation has more or less been replaced with primordial soup Drahthaardogs Sep 2015 #273

Untrue again. WestCoastLib Sep 2015 #309

No, we cannot replicate anything close to that in any laboratory test. Drahthaardogs Sep 2015 #312

Yes, we can...and have WestCoastLib Sep 2015 #322

Bullshit we can. Drahthaardogs Sep 2015 #323

You are incorrect WestCoastLib Sep 2015 #327

You do not even understand what you are reading... Drahthaardogs Sep 2015 #328

No. It's you that doesn't understand the math. WestCoastLib Sep 2015 #329

Why lie? Drahthaardogs Sep 2015 #330

Here are our quotes. You tell me who's lying. WestCoastLib Sep 2015 #332

Oh bullshit Drahthaardogs Sep 2015 #334

Like I said... WestCoastLib Sep 2015 #337

Yeah, right Drahthaardogs Sep 2015 #338

Yeah, right. WestCoastLib Sep 2015 #339

You lost this argument. I'd concede if I were you. n/t Arugula Latte Sep 2015 #371

Assholes deserve to be mocked, regardless of political affiliation. rug Sep 2015 #30

Or religious affiliation, you probably meant to add. bvf Sep 2015 #158

No, I was using his phrase, exactly. rug Sep 2015 #161

Ah. I see. bvf Sep 2015 #187

I doubt that you are an atheist and I would be surprised if you are truly a Bernie supporter. nm rhett o rick Sep 2015 #40

What, are Bernie supporters only allowed to be Christians? Deadshot Sep 2015 #59

Agreed. H2O Man Sep 2015 #74

ugh. your graceless and callous post just had to be the first comment in this thread. cali Sep 2015 #52

One of a couple of clues. nm rhett o rick Sep 2015 #84

As an avowed Atheist, you sound like what I call a "Hatetheist"... you can't stand thoughts of view Ghost in the Machine Sep 2015 #57

"live and let live" Deadshot Sep 2015 #61

you seem to be confused about Kim Davis as she did the opposite of that uppityperson Sep 2015 #62

No, she doesn't, that's why she is sitting in jail right now.. because she COULDN'T live & let live. Ghost in the Machine Sep 2015 #69

That's a great way to alienate a lot of supporters, especially African Americans and pnwmom Sep 2015 #114

An excellent example of tolerance and politeness on your part. guillaumeb Sep 2015 #129

This atheist vemently disagrees. nt hack89 Sep 2015 #246

sometimes, yes, depending on the situation. Someone like Kim Davis, yes. Fast Walker 52 Sep 2015 #313

Religion is a tool of the PTB to manipulate the masses. It makes wars possible. valerief Sep 2015 #376

Intolerant a-holes can give religion and atheism a bad rap. Throd Sep 2015 #2

Itolerant a-holes give humanity a bad rap. n/t TexasProgresive Sep 2015 #6

SNAP!!!!!!!! mackerel Sep 2015 #37

Didn't take long for someone to show up and be all illiberal in their attitudes, did it? MADem Sep 2015 #7

I don't get it either Coolest Ranger Sep 2015 #10

This, sadly, isn't a new thing. MADem Sep 2015 #20

k&r. I do not like insults based on religion, spiritual beliefs or lack of. uppityperson Sep 2015 #11

+1 tammywammy Sep 2015 #22

bingo - absolutely no reason to mock anyone's beliefs DrDan Sep 2015 #44

DU mocks Republican beliefs constantly Fumesucker Sep 2015 #207

So why is it different in terms of political beiefs? Why is religion off limits, but not politics? Arugula Latte Sep 2015 #232

Perhaps you missed the text in the message of that post uppityperson Sep 2015 #236

Your right to believe HassleCat Sep 2015 #14

That is pretty much my policy. Live and let live. smirkymonkey Sep 2015 #235

so let's get this right... whatthehey Sep 2015 #15

Are you asking why a post discussing religion is lockable but one discussing bigotry isn't? uppityperson Sep 2015 #19

Read the GD rules. They are not complex. whatthehey Sep 2015 #21

Do you mean this? uppityperson Sep 2015 #31

This OP doesn't belong here. bvf Sep 2015 #29

You missed this part"Open discussion of religion is permitted during very high-profile news events w uppityperson Sep 2015 #33

No, I didn't miss it. It's irrelevant. bvf Sep 2015 #34

Why do you say that part is irrelevant but the other part is relevant? uppityperson Sep 2015 #35

You're a host, so you obviously have bvf Sep 2015 #39

you could volunteer as a host also, if you met the criteria. It is an interesting thing to do. uppityperson Sep 2015 #96

I've considered it. bvf Sep 2015 #132

+1 Le Taz Hot Sep 2015 #175

I'm anti-religion, but I'm not an atheist either. To each his own, you know? Avalux Sep 2015 #17

Exactly Bettie Sep 2015 #333

What you need to realize first off Warpy Sep 2015 #18

I'm an atheist who likes having allies of faith. Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #23

Good luck to you. The only difference between you and me is we disagree on ONE God. You don't....... Logical Sep 2015 #24

As someone like you, who grew up in the church.... A HERETIC I AM Sep 2015 #26

Great Post.......... truegrit44 Sep 2015 #126

GD SOP Electric Monk Sep 2015 #27

If you feel as though you've been insulted, use the alert button riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #32

I will say this: Arugula Latte Sep 2015 #36

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2015 #38

Are you aware that you are posting rank bllshit? I bet you are not. rug Sep 2015 #42

Can you point out the bullshit? tkmorris Sep 2015 #47

"Any one who believes in a God is a fool" rug Sep 2015 #49

Well, that's disappointing! bvf Sep 2015 #55

You wouldn't have gotten it if I had. rug Sep 2015 #71

Try me. bvf Sep 2015 #80

Do you mean there's really a god? bvf Sep 2015 #50

Who knows? Do you actually think anyone who believes in a God is a fool? rug Sep 2015 #51

Yes. Deadshot Sep 2015 #64

Only a fool would make that claim. rug Sep 2015 #66

I'm not the one who believes in supernatural beings with no evidence to support their existence. Deadshot Sep 2015 #70

I'm not the one seeking natural evidence for supernatral concepts. rug Sep 2015 #72

"I'm not the one seeking natural evidence for supernatral concepts." Deadshot Sep 2015 #73

Sure there is. rug Sep 2015 #77

Nope. Deadshot Sep 2015 #82

You can mean whatever the hell you want to mean. rug Sep 2015 #83

What supernatural concepts would those be? bvf Sep 2015 #120

Well now, what is the theos you are atheist about? rug Sep 2015 #125

Read my post again bvf Sep 2015 #154

I did. rug Sep 2015 #160

Let me know bvf Sep 2015 #196

Lame. rug Sep 2015 #198

Matthew 5:22 nt Electric Monk Sep 2015 #92

Proverbs 26:11 rug Sep 2015 #102

Now you've gone and done it. LiberalAndProud Sep 2015 #75

Yeah, don't go quoting bible scripture to me. Deadshot Sep 2015 #78

All I am saying is some believers think you and I are hell worthy. LiberalAndProud Sep 2015 #86

Why? Are you a vampire? DerekG Sep 2015 #200

Nelson Mandela is a fool? So was MLKjr? uppityperson Sep 2015 #76

Yes. Deadshot Sep 2015 #79

Nelson Mandela, MLK, Obama, all are fools. Thank you for clarifying. uppityperson Sep 2015 #85

You missed the part "in regards to religion". Deadshot Sep 2015 #87

"Do you actually think anyone who believes in a God is a fool?" "Yes. Yes they are" uppityperson Sep 2015 #89

Read post #79 again. Deadshot Sep 2015 #93

Read post #64 again. uppityperson Sep 2015 #95

Yes. bvf Sep 2015 #65

So, that includes, Obama, Biden, Daniel Berrrigan, the OP and myself? rug Sep 2015 #67

You asked for a yes or no. bvf Sep 2015 #101

So, you include Obama, Biden, Berrigan, the OP and myself in that claim. rug Sep 2015 #104

Prove what? bvf Sep 2015 #165

Prove the aforesaid believers are fools. rug Sep 2015 #172

Yes tkmorris Sep 2015 #97

MLKjr, Mandela, Obama, are "a bit delusional"? uppityperson Sep 2015 #98

I don't but MLK did. The brilliant Thomas Merton did. Nelson Mandela did cali Sep 2015 #63

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2015 #54

"Any one who believes in a God is a fool." rug Sep 2015 #68

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2015 #109

Those are yor words. And they reveal you. rug Sep 2015 #111

Post removed Post removed Sep 2015 #118

Typo? You've posted nothing but bigotted bullshit and you evade on a typo? rug Sep 2015 #124

Thanks MIRT uppityperson Sep 2015 #177

Double thanks. rug Sep 2015 #180

Are you aware that you are professing belief that? sarisataka Sep 2015 #48

I would like a clarification on your statement "Anyone who does not believe in god is a fool". Binkie The Clown Sep 2015 #131

The original statement was that anyone who believes in God is a fool. rug Sep 2015 #134

Is anyone who believes in god a fool? Binkie The Clown Sep 2015 #147

So, you say it depends on the God. Is there any believer you would say is not a fool? rug Sep 2015 #151

No. They may, indeed, be non-foolish in other aspects of their life, Binkie The Clown Sep 2015 #153

Somebody is desperately seeking a hide worthy statement of doltishness. Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #257

I was turning the phrase of the person I responded to sarisataka Sep 2015 #148

except of course it doesn't work. Not believing in things for which there is no evidence is not Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #258

I'm an atheist. Maedhros Sep 2015 #116

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2015 #122

Why are you posting this testimony in general discussion rather than in religion? independentpiney Sep 2015 #41

"All I'm asking you as liberals is that you respect my right to believe after all, aren't we all sup uppityperson Sep 2015 #43

I absolutely respect the right to believe independentpiney Sep 2015 #91

Maybe you have missed the nastiness since Kim Davis did her martyr trip. uppityperson Sep 2015 #94

For many around here, "open minded" means "believes as I do". Throd Sep 2015 #108

For others around here, "open minded" means let me be unless I am hurting someone else. uppityperson Sep 2015 #137

I've definitely missed the nastiness independentpiney Sep 2015 #141

You have a right to believe whatever you want. You do not have a right to not be ridiculed Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #259

+1 bvf Sep 2015 #45

As a liberal atheist, we could get along fine. If you push religion to me, I will NCjack Sep 2015 #46

I am glad you find comfort and strength in your church. LiberalAndProud Sep 2015 #53

So it must be atheists attacking you...there is no other type of belief systems on DU? Rex Sep 2015 #58

I was a Christian for years, baptized as an adult and everything. Now I am an atheist. thereismore Sep 2015 #81

The fact that your post is still here demonstrates the disconnect. jeff47 Sep 2015 #90

Spare me the poor "persecuted atheist" bullcrap. Throd Sep 2015 #103

I apologize that reality does not conform to your beliefs. jeff47 Sep 2015 #106

Sorry that happened to you. That definitely sucks. Throd Sep 2015 #110

In my experience people named Throd put too much stock in anecdotal experience. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2015 #119

I spent 20 years in the Navy as an atheist hack89 Sep 2015 #247

Congratulations. You do know there are LGBT people who've always been "out", right? jeff47 Sep 2015 #263

Doesn't mean it is of the same magnitude hack89 Sep 2015 #264

And I've literally been spat upon. jeff47 Sep 2015 #266

ok nt hack89 Sep 2015 #269

Boy howdy then you haven't lived in Wheaton IL riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #280

Wheaton is not the norm hack89 Sep 2015 #295

Then I'd say you're the outlier. Atheists are the most reviled group riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #298

Ok nt hack89 Sep 2015 #303

The plural of "atheist" is "atheists". Codeine Sep 2015 #107

I thinks it's really remarkable Binkie The Clown Sep 2015 #112

Not all religious people do. phylny Sep 2015 #216

But a huge percentage of religious people do believe that their god intervenes in events. Arugula Latte Sep 2015 #335

Maybe the mockers will figure it out when religious African Americans and Latinos pnwmom Sep 2015 #117

Contrary to their best interests? That seems like an unreasonable thing to do. /nt LiberalAndProud Sep 2015 #121

Almost everyone in the 99% who votes Rethug is voting contrary to their best interests. pnwmom Sep 2015 #128

I think you missed my point. But that's ok. LiberalAndProud Sep 2015 #130

Yes, religious mockers here on DU have the power to completely throw the entire election! Arugula Latte Sep 2015 #127

Magical thinking. Binkie The Clown Sep 2015 #138

LOL. Doncha just love how powerful Atheists are all of a sudden . SammyWinstonJack Sep 2015 #254

Wow, if they want to go to the GOP over religion let them. They can seal their own fate. nt Logical Sep 2015 #288

And the fates of all the rest of us, too. Maybe instead, we can try not insulting them. n/t pnwmom Sep 2015 #293

Religion causes many more issues than atheists do. nt Logical Sep 2015 #294

If the Democrats ever succeed in alienating most people with religious faith, pnwmom Sep 2015 #297

In the last 10 years religion has declined and more are non-believers..... Logical Sep 2015 #299

Thankfully most Democratic politicians aren't misguided enough to think pnwmom Sep 2015 #301

If you want to believe in an imaginary being, have at it. lindysalsagal Sep 2015 #133

against all evidence? What evidence? DrDan Sep 2015 #136

Should be despite a "complete lack of evidence" Bradical79 Sep 2015 #365

What did you expect? Android3.14 Sep 2015 #139

Interesting discussion Fairgo Sep 2015 #140

Did you even notice that it was a surgeon who saved your eyesight, SheilaT Sep 2015 #142

Funny story ... REP Sep 2015 #170

I will try not to mock, but here is the problem I have awoke_in_2003 Sep 2015 #144

Amen! (said a fellow atheist) n/t RussBLib Sep 2015 #287

You can believe as you wish, of course. Adrahil Sep 2015 #157

I respect your right to your beliefs. I don't have to respect those beliefs, though. REP Sep 2015 #164

Thank you for your post. Ilsa Sep 2015 #167

+ 1000 femmocrat Sep 2015 #194

You guys are welcome to belive in what ever Le Taz Hot Sep 2015 #169

I find this OP to be in contradiction of the advice given to believers of your faith: Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #178

"Attention"? Iggo Sep 2015 #182

Thank you all for your contribution Coolest Ranger Sep 2015 #183

I get it JustAnotherGen Sep 2015 #190

This is the second post I've seen in two days about this same topic. femmocrat Sep 2015 #193

Nobody is entitled to any such thing. Codeine Sep 2015 #243

Why should people of faith be exempt from being made fun of or belittled? Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #262

I'm of the "whatever works for you" mindset. Blue_In_AK Sep 2015 #195

There are schmucks are both sides DerekG Sep 2015 #197

Thank you for your op. I believe 840high Sep 2015 #203

So does your god only do the good stuff? It helped cure the OP, but it didn't have anything to do Arugula Latte Sep 2015 #234

This is my problem with posts like these. AngryOldDem Sep 2015 #242

My belief in God eased my battle 840high Sep 2015 #253

My question is why you and others who think a being who has the power to intervene in human illness Arugula Latte Sep 2015 #372

Ideas should never be immune from criticism, mocking or ridicule... SidDithers Sep 2015 #210

Fair enough as long as you don't put your faith TBF Sep 2015 #211

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #213

How very Christian of them. Motown_Johnny Sep 2015 #223

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #241

This message was self-deleted by its author Motown_Johnny Sep 2015 #244

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #248

Sorry Motown_Johnny Sep 2015 #251

Some atheists are assholes, just like some Christians are assholes justiceischeap Sep 2015 #214

This message was self-deleted by its author itsrobert Sep 2015 #217

You have a right to your beliefs. You do not have the right to not be mocked and ridiculed Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #218

In what context did you state your religious beliefs? Motown_Johnny Sep 2015 #222

Believe what you will Skidmore Sep 2015 #226

Hey, go ahead and believe in ridiculous fairy tales if you like, and a god who allows the horrendous HERVEPA Sep 2015 #228

So true, I have often said that if God exists he is a total asshole. Who lets so much shit go bad? n Logical Sep 2015 #292

If it works for you, fine. AngryOldDem Sep 2015 #230

If folks don't like their religion mocked then people should STFU about their religion in public YabaDabaNoDinoNo Sep 2015 #256

How strong is your faith if it falters under mere ridicule? alphafemale Sep 2015 #260

I'm an atheist, and I don't care what you believe. ladyVet Sep 2015 #261

It's not about you. It's about your church. AtheistCrusader Sep 2015 #265

Nowhere does he says he's Catholic. Or any other particular religion for that matter. rug Sep 2015 #270

I may have combined it with starisaka's post in the interfaith save haven. AtheistCrusader Sep 2015 #272

You've been sating the same thing, spreading the same shtick. for years. rug Sep 2015 #274

And as usual, you have no valid excuse for it. AtheistCrusader Sep 2015 #279

. Iggo Sep 2015 #374

Life is a hard hard road. I begrudge NO ONE annabanana Sep 2015 #267

atheism isn't intellectually superior jcboon Sep 2015 #268

The problem is that "faith" starts with a presumption that there is a supernatural being. Arugula Latte Sep 2015 #275

no one has proven the laws of science jcboon Sep 2015 #281

The laws of science have indeed been proven. Arugula Latte Sep 2015 #283

Such a short post to so misrepresent science. Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #285

OMG, are you uninformed on this topic. nt Logical Sep 2015 #290

"no one has proven the laws of science" HERVEPA Sep 2015 #305

Of FFS, not the "prove God does not exist" shit. LOL, prove unicorns do not exist. nt Logical Sep 2015 #289

very sorry for your troubles - I have St. 4 cancer & am atheist wordpix Sep 2015 #271

Good luck to you! I will send some good thoughts your way! nt Logical Sep 2015 #291

thanks, Logical, and I'm for Bernie, too wordpix Sep 2015 #325

You can't really expect anyone to respect what you believe. TransitJohn Sep 2015 #276

if your faith is so strong, why are you so easily rattled by the opinons of others? Skittles Sep 2015 #277

Some people want to throw their ideas out there and expect no rebutal Major Nikon Sep 2015 #282

It seems like the less evidence and facts backing an assertion, the more adherents demand "respect" Arugula Latte Sep 2015 #284

Wrong forum. truebrit71 Sep 2015 #286

So long as religion is not pushed on me or marlakay Sep 2015 #296

I would not dream of insulting someone personally regarding religion. SusanCalvin Sep 2015 #302

It's a philosophical arguement-- jcboon Sep 2015 #304

I get irritated with the moral reference points of Christianity... st17011864200074656 Sep 2015 #306

"without God" -- Do you think the God of the Bible handed down morality? Arugula Latte Sep 2015 #307

Sanctimonious bullshit Marrah_G Sep 2015 #308

I am an atheist artislife Sep 2015 #310

I lulz'ed KG Sep 2015 #311

They'll get over you....don't give them the pleasure of trolling you. ileus Sep 2015 #321

Should have been posted in the religion forum. nt el_bryanto Sep 2015 #324

Fine, believe what you want. But if what you believe causes you to harm Zorra Sep 2015 #336

Sure, I respect your right to believe. RedCappedBandit Sep 2015 #375

As long as your beliefs are personal, fine... joeybee12 Sep 2015 #377