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97. I would like to hear a liberal Christian response to this concern abouth their religion.

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 04:40 PM

Sep 2015

I posted similar thoughts on another thread, but here, hopefully, they will stand a better chance of being addressed.

My issue with Christianity is its core teaching that due to the misdeeds of Adam and Eve, in the beginning, I am, in 2015, cursed to be intrinsically evil and wicked. I have no choice in the matter; they screwed up, and I have to pay the price. The price of course is condemnation to hell for my evilness and wickedness, which makes me a sinner. Christianity teaches me that because I am a sinner,I deserve to go to Hell.

The way to avoid Hell is not to become a better person morally, that's impossible due to my fallen sinful nature, but to cast my wicked and evil deeds onto a perfectly innocent scapegoat, Jesus thus escaping the condemnation that I deserve. As the Bible says, it's the only to get out of the predicament of sin.

I don't believe I deserve Hell, and therefore have no need for Jesus to save me from it; therefore, according to your religion, I'm not only definitely going to Hell, but I deserve to go. Can you see where being proud of a religion that holds those beliefs may strike people as the opposite of love, acceptance, tolerance, and peace?

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Check in - Christian and proud. Sick and tired of these idiots who give us a bad name [View all] LynneSin Sep 2015 OP

What I find funny is people say that the Bible is God's Oneironaut Sep 2015 #1

But then why would God have bother sending us Jesus LynneSin Sep 2015 #4

Or getting three divorces KamaAina Sep 2015 #37

thank you for explaining exactly how I feel Stargazer99 Sep 2015 #2

Have you read the Bible? ryan_cats Sep 2015 #3

My answers LynneSin Sep 2015 #7

My mom finds Paul much more than "annoying," and is outspoken about it. hunter Sep 2015 #87

I'd argue with the Pope but was more with the last one LynneSin Sep 2015 #88

We know what Paul was supposed to have said about Damascus -- not what Jesus said. n/t pnwmom Sep 2015 #77

I am a Christian but think this would be better posted in the Religion Forum. nt el_bryanto Sep 2015 #5

Once in a blue moon I want people to see this LynneSin Sep 2015 #8

Here shenmue Sep 2015 #6

This message was self-deleted by its author azurnoir Sep 2015 #9

Kick. Agschmid Sep 2015 #10

I'm in. (Now I just hope I don't go to Hell for ... 11 Bravo Sep 2015 #11

Hey as long as you aren't a Cowboys fan we're good LynneSin Sep 2015 #13

It's worse than that. I'm a Skins fan. 11 Bravo Sep 2015 #24

Like I said, as long as you aren't a Cowboys fan we're good LynneSin Sep 2015 #25

Agreed. I often find myself agreeing with non-Christians jwirr Sep 2015 #12

People like Ted Cruz and Pat Buchannon use the bible for selfish purposes LynneSin Sep 2015 #15

I was lucky enough to have grown up poor. Judging jwirr Sep 2015 #20

I have no problem with proud Christians DFW Sep 2015 #14

I know non-Christians with strong faith than so-called Christians out there LynneSin Sep 2015 #16

It's fun to pretend it is 'those others' but it is a fact that DU loves the Pope, who is also Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #17

DU loves the Pope, hates Muslims, and thinks as long as it's "just one prayer" closeupready Sep 2015 #23

DU hates Muslims? KamaAina Sep 2015 #38

From what I've seen, yes. closeupready Sep 2015 #39

Well someone posted it so it must be true LynneSin Sep 2015 #74

Peace, Sister RobertEarl Sep 2015 #18

So are you supposed to kill your neighbor for working on Sunday or not? snooper2 Sep 2015 #19

Only if he is mowing the lawn at 7 in the morning! jwirr Sep 2015 #22

Or running the f*)#$)% leaf blower LynneSin Sep 2015 #26

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You are not responsible for your co-religionists Scootaloo Sep 2015 #28

I don't ask you to share my religion because to me religion is a personal choice LynneSin Sep 2015 #34

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This is my measure of who's a real follower of their God/Religion or not. Sunlei Sep 2015 #31

You don't need religion for that. Arugula Latte Sep 2015 #41

You're right,Religion doesn't matter. Bonus is, the golden rule is in the Christians' bible. Sunlei Sep 2015 #43

If I'm not mistaken, a paraphrasing of The Golden Rule is Ilsa Sep 2015 #76

I'm in. xmas74 Sep 2015 #32

It's hard to remember sarisataka Sep 2015 #33

There is a huge difference between the Christian Left and the Christian Right steve2470 Sep 2015 #35

I'm in. Staph Sep 2015 #36

+1 nt steve2470 Sep 2015 #42

I am glad to hear this, more Christians like yourself need to stand up and be heard. Rex Sep 2015 #40

I'm more of a Jimmy Carter Christian than a Kim Davis Christian (nt) Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #44

We need more Jimmy Carters in this world LynneSin Sep 2015 #75

Checking in. Right there with you. hamsterjill Sep 2015 #45

Thank you Lynne! Liberal Jesus Freak Sep 2015 #46

To be honest, I don't think I'd be a Democrat if I were not Christian. LanternWaste Sep 2015 #47

Funny. LiberalAndProud Sep 2015 #53

The journeys we make as individuals may often be quite singular and rather unique LanternWaste Sep 2015 #55

That is very true, and I think that our religious liberties are very precious. LiberalAndProud Sep 2015 #56

you don't need religion to think or do the right thing Skittles Sep 2015 #57

Amen to that! mnhtnbb Sep 2015 #68

So you use your religion to decide to be democrat, and they use it and decided to be republican. nt Logical Sep 2015 #58

Thank you for writing this J_J_ Sep 2015 #48

I see them as more Paulists than Christians LynneSin Sep 2015 #49

Checking in! phylny Sep 2015 #50

Two of my favorite people online are Christians who know their bibles Warpy Sep 2015 #51

yes +10000000000 J_J_ Sep 2015 #54

Pride is a sin. El Supremo Sep 2015 #52

Fellow believer here, saying "Amen"! MuttLikeMe Sep 2015 #59

They are not "abusing your faith" any more than you are abusing theirs. Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #60

Good points. There are 100s of religions. All made up stuff. nt Logical Sep 2015 #61

There are 100's of religions. Precisely. There are 100's of Christian denominations mnhtnbb Sep 2015 #69

That's like saying fans of Nickelback are as credible as their critics. rug Sep 2015 #62

Actually that's an excellent analogy, there is no objective standard, its... Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #94

This ^ PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #91

Well said, LynneSin. brer cat Sep 2015 #63

I probably have paid too much attention to the nutcase "Christians" and their leaders because AlinPA Sep 2015 #64

K&R. Geat Post.eom lunamagica Sep 2015 #65

Christian, and...... Aristus Sep 2015 #66

Hiya, Lynne Maeve Sep 2015 #67

I am probably pretty close to the same place. mnhtnbb Sep 2015 #70

I have friends who are good Christians, too Maeve Sep 2015 #71

My church is the world around me LynneSin Sep 2015 #73

Very well stated mcar Sep 2015 #72

Did you know that Thomas Jefferson created his own version of the Christian Bible, pnwmom Sep 2015 #78

I know I am going to get a ton of shit for this...but I have a question LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #79

GREAT point. trotsky Sep 2015 #90

There is nobody trumpeting Leviticus who is a Christian. raouldukelives Sep 2015 #80

Good - now what do you do about them? whatthehey Sep 2015 #81

We're trying. They're better funded but we're trying LynneSin Sep 2015 #82

The media doesn't listen to us. We are entirely too normal. kwassa Sep 2015 #83

Did Robertson et al whine about being ignored in the beginning? whatthehey Sep 2015 #85

Frankly, I don't think you know what you are talking about. kwassa Sep 2015 #98

I keep wondering why this thread doesn't have hundreds of names, a few thousand views riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #84

Good post-checking in jcboon Sep 2015 #86

"people like me who stick with what Jesus said" trotsky Sep 2015 #89

Not to mention they don't stick to everything Jesus said, that would be... Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #93

Yeah, I stick with everything Jesus said. trotsky Sep 2015 #95

Liberal or Conservative, even Fundamentalists all have selective reading... Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #96

Honestly, Jesus wasn't that good a moral teacher, your highly selective reading of the... Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #92

I would like to hear a liberal Christian response to this concern abouth their religion. st17011864200074656 Sep 2015 #97