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gollygee

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65. Poorly worded

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 05:43 PM

Sep 2015

I don't care what biological parts someone has. If someone is transgender, they need to use the restroom that they're most comfortable with. They don't need anyone checking. People just need to grow up and not worry about it so much. We don't check people's ID before we let them into the men's room or women's room now. I don't know why giving transgender people freedom would change how things work. People can figure out on their own which restroom they belong in.

I am not in favor of unisex restrooms, but transgender women are in more danger in the men's room than I am in a unisex restroom, so I'd err on the side of transgender people. But there is an increased risk of sexual assualt if men are in women's rooms, so I'd rather cis men stay in their restroom, cis women stay in theirs, transgender people go to whichever they identify with and/or feel comfortable in, and that we have unisex/family restrooms available places as well for people not comfortable with either choice or who need to help family members.

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Allowing biological men to use women's restrooms? [View all] Nye Bevan Sep 2015 OP

we definitely shouldnt let mechanical men use them. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #1

Most women I know would be uncomfortable if a man enters to do his bussiness, Agnosticsherbet Sep 2015 #2

As a woman, I don't think I'd care if Caitlyn Jenner entered the women's bathroom I was in. CTyankee Sep 2015 #8

The thread is not just about transgender people Doingto Sep 2015 #157

Is it? backscatter712 Sep 2015 #164

Exactly right. Nye is saying that transgendered female is not necessarily female CreekDog Sep 2015 #345

She takes hormones, so she's partially transitioned. n/t pnwmom Sep 2015 #219

That may be, but I'm pretty likely to get attacked if I use a men's bathroom MillennialDem Sep 2015 #383

OK, this is making me crazy...I'm just taking myself out before I go completely nuts... CTyankee Sep 2015 #384

Me, I'm uncomfortable when anyone refers to it as "doing their business" Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #26

I would be fully uncomfortable if a woman were in the men's room while I was using the urinal. Ed Suspicious Sep 2015 #38

"...take a Trump." CrispyQ Sep 2015 #57

Reminded me of this... Lancero Sep 2015 #245

I sometimes go in men's room when there is a line at the women's. Laffy Kat Sep 2015 #99

My wife has asked me to stand guard a few times when the ladies loo Agnosticsherbet Sep 2015 #119

Exactly, it's a toilet, no big deal. If a guy is lounging around an empty ladies room, that's underahedgerow Sep 2015 #312

I wouldn't be comfortable either ibegurpard Sep 2015 #267

Dangerous? woolldog Sep 2015 #278

A woman walking into a men's room with a bunch of creepers... backscatter712 Sep 2015 #289

A number of women have posted woolldog Sep 2015 #394

Exactly . . . markpkessinger Sep 2015 #373

Completely agree here.. ion_theory Sep 2015 #45

I think the real question for a man might be, if you had a 10 year old daughter pnwmom Sep 2015 #223

How do you know who is already in there or not? What about teachers at school, or maybe uppityperson Sep 2015 #246

Sometimes it is possible to know just by looking into the door. pnwmom Sep 2015 #253

How about he simply walked in with her and waited with her if there was a line, or for her to uppityperson Sep 2015 #257

The point is that most fathers would trust their daughter alone in a bathroom pnwmom Sep 2015 #266

Why would a man trust his daughter to strange women either? uppityperson Sep 2015 #274

Yes, they do. But a man who is in the ladies room for no apparent reason pnwmom Sep 2015 #283

Why? Maybe a man walking into a women's rest room is going it to fetch their child, or someone uppityperson Sep 2015 #292

I said "for no apparent reason" and empty restroom. So your examples don't fit. pnwmom Sep 2015 #294

I wouldn't trust anyone loitering in an empty restroom for no apparent reason uppityperson Sep 2015 #300

Women take longer in the bathroom than men. That's been measured. pnwmom Sep 2015 #308

Maybe I missed something, but I think statistics is the very obvious answer. prayin4rain Sep 2015 #301

Statistics show most car accidents happen closed to home so you shouldn't drive closed to where you uppityperson Sep 2015 #302

No one is suggesting prayin4rain Sep 2015 #304

And transwomen fear for their safety in men's rooms, with good reason. pnwmom Sep 2015 #310

pnwmom is repeating the false meme that giving the transgendered civil rights risks sexual predation CreekDog Sep 2015 #350

Right. The issue isn't transwomen, it's men. n/t pnwmom Sep 2015 #309

Again, you keep trying to get us to deny the civil rights of the transgendered CreekDog Sep 2015 #347

+ 100000 yardwork Sep 2015 #357

And you keep denying women the right to be safe from attacks of cis-males. n/t pnwmom Sep 2015 #374

How do laws against the transgendered protect you from attacks of cismales? CreekDog Sep 2015 #378

Laws keeping cis-males out of ladies rooms protect all women pnwmom Sep 2015 #379

so that's the only thing you want codified in law? CreekDog Sep 2015 #380

why should laws that harm people be based on your ignorance? CreekDog Sep 2015 #381

The harm against some has to be weighed against the harm against others. pnwmom Sep 2015 #390

Who are you saying it's okay to harm? CreekDog Sep 2015 #391

No one. So the best solution is probably individual bathrooms. n/t pnwmom Sep 2015 #393

Can I honestly ask why you think your own hangups about the transgendered are so important? CreekDog Sep 2015 #346

As the mother of sons, this came up every time they used a public bathroom. yardwork Sep 2015 #354

This Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #386

"I stood near the entrance woolldog Sep 2015 #395

I think I was thinking more along the lines of.. ion_theory Sep 2015 #376

They just have to get over their old fashioned stereotypes. AngryAmish Sep 2015 #49

As long as we have stalls for the "business", I'm good. SusanCalvin Sep 2015 #118

Trans women are women. Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #3

Noticed that, too, in the questions, and didn't know how to respond. closeupready Sep 2015 #5

That's why I was like - huh? JustAnotherGen Sep 2015 #36

I feel like we are wandering into Focus on the Family Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #40

I agree with you JustAnotherGen Sep 2015 #102

I wish all public bathrooms were like that! Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #105

Most of the public toilets enlightenment Sep 2015 #112

"Definitely crafted to be insensitive" HERVEPA Sep 2015 #326

So glad another person sees it - I've added to this JustAnotherGen Sep 2015 #327

Welcome to the land of TERF framing. backscatter712 Sep 2015 #140

Yes, I've had my run-ins before, here and elsewhere. Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #142

The problem is, how to distinguish a true trans woman whathehell Sep 2015 #54

It's settled case law. Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #69

In practice, it will likely whathehell Sep 2015 #77

And attacked by the same right-wing enemies. Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #91

The right to privacy whathehell Sep 2015 #263

Why not? Lots of Freepers here. Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #269

Sorry, but I think you're jumping the gun here whathehell Sep 2015 #281

Trans-inclusion is the standard set out by case law. Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #286

That's nice, but csee law is not what is under discussion.. whathehell Sep 2015 #337

You replied to me. You're welcome. Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #339

After you replied to me... whathehell Sep 2015 #352

Check the subthread, you replied first to me. #54 Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #389

Lol..Sorry, not interested in petty "who said it first" competitions whathehell Sep 2015 #399

that is just right wing transphobic nonsense Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #163

So what would you like? A door guard, checking everyone's papers before they enter? uppityperson Sep 2015 #190

Yes, of course,.. whathehell Sep 2015 #230

You do know, I hope that rapists have "access to women" all over, not just in unisex restrooms uppityperson Sep 2015 #234

Yes, it is a very odd discussion whathehell Sep 2015 #249

I especially like requests for definitions and to clarify something that are ignored uppityperson Sep 2015 #251

Enjoy yourself whathehell Sep 2015 #271

Don't play along with the meme CreekDog Sep 2015 #348

so you're saying that rapists say that they are transgendered CreekDog Sep 2015 #351

I'm not saying anything like that.. whathehell Sep 2015 #356

Well if you were trying to communicate something different CreekDog Sep 2015 #359

No, I think whathehell Sep 2015 #400

Because public restrooms are the only place they could find women? winter is coming Sep 2015 #392

Why do you think society decided to mandate sex segregated public lavatories in.the first place? whathehell Sep 2015 #398

How do you define "women," then? WinkyDink Sep 2015 #80

By the legal definition, that is commonly accepted now to be nondiscriminatory. Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #88

+1 nt geek tragedy Sep 2015 #96

I don't support unisex restrooms, sorry. closeupready Sep 2015 #4

Neither do I. WillowTree Sep 2015 #31

I'm with you. But someday I'll die off and the rest can pee and poop in perfect harmony. Ed Suspicious Sep 2015 #42

troughs sound disturbing Skittles Sep 2015 #162

Yuck is a good word. backscatter712 Sep 2015 #166

This message was self-deleted by its author closeupready Sep 2015 #205

This isn't about unisex restrooms. Ms. Toad Sep 2015 #175

Absolutely correct. I alerted on the OP for exactly that reason. Zorra Sep 2015 #221

I alerted on it after you did. Ms. Toad Sep 2015 #260

I agree DirtDart1319 Sep 2015 #196

My first experience with a unisex community restroom was in the military Major Nikon Sep 2015 #207

This message was self-deleted by its author closeupready Sep 2015 #213

so you don't ever eat at small restaurants? CreekDog Sep 2015 #353

Uh.....what? jeff47 Sep 2015 #6

If they are biological women, this poll does not apply to them, Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #9

If you're going to kick the "biological men" to the men's room... jeff47 Sep 2015 #11

You seem to be arguing for men to be allowed to use whichever bathroom they choose. Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #12

Nope. I'm arguing that throwing transgender people into the opposite bathroom is bad. jeff47 Sep 2015 #17

Read the OP again. The word "transgender" is in there (nt) Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #29

As a poll choice, after you've set up people to reject it by using "biological male" everywhere else jeff47 Sep 2015 #129

you're the guy who sounded upset that he couldn't use the word "cripple" anymore CreekDog Sep 2015 #355

What do you mean by "biological men"? I do not understand the use of that term. uppityperson Sep 2015 #192

From that linked page: the impossible choice! tblue37 Sep 2015 #239

I don't see any further purpose of having seperate restrooms. Shandris Sep 2015 #7

Why are the comfort and preferences ONLY of those who are transgender to be considered? WillowTree Sep 2015 #34

It's not. I'm not considering 'comfort and preference' at ALL. Shandris Sep 2015 #52

OK. I understand that you're saying....... WillowTree Sep 2015 #101

Ahh, so you failed reading comprehension. That's okay. Shandris Sep 2015 #106

I failed nothing. WillowTree Sep 2015 #111

There's a lot of that. pecwae Sep 2015 #151

Thank you for your concern. Shandris Sep 2015 #231

Always happy to oblige. nt pecwae Sep 2015 #307

Are you proud of yourself for thinking that if the transgendered are allowed to use a restroom CreekDog Sep 2015 #361

because they aren't "comfort and preferences" but Civil Rights CreekDog Sep 2015 #360

Ah yes. Taking a condescending tone always wins people over to your view! WillowTree Sep 2015 #382

If you don't approve of a condescending tone, why did you call using the bathroom a "convenience" CreekDog Sep 2015 #388

I've happily shared the women's loo with drag queens Warpy Sep 2015 #10

In posting this poll I'm thinking more about grandmothers at highway rest stops Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #14

Maybe a separate grandmother's restroom then? LanternWaste Sep 2015 #15

As a man a few short months away from becoming a grandfather, I would welcome this option Ed Suspicious Sep 2015 #44

Many places have 'family' restrooms. peace13 Sep 2015 #293

... geardaddy Sep 2015 #358

How about a separate transgender bathroom? whathehell Sep 2015 #401

Sharing bathrooms with grandmothers is tolerable. LeftyMom Sep 2015 #20

Oh, yeah, gotta protect those poor, innocent little grannies. Warpy Sep 2015 #280

zOMG, grandma got runned over by a Jamastiene Sep 2015 #342

honey, we have all shared restrooms with people in drag elehhhhna Sep 2015 #144

Exactly the way I feel about it. Warpy Sep 2015 #148

it's not like anyone's doing a butt check when you walk in elehhhhna Sep 2015 #152

As a middle aged female wearing levis and a flannel shirt, I need to use the gents room? uppityperson Sep 2015 #193

Wow. qwlauren35 Sep 2015 #13

Obviously banning men from women's restrooms reduces the probability of rape happening. Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #32

no it doesn't. What evidence do you have for that? Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #167

Why do you say "dress up as women"? Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #173

Your poll is a shit poll. You made your beliefs quite clear. You are *very concerned* Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #176

Polls where DU is pretty much divided 50-50, as this one is, Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #182

ignorance on gender issues is widespread. Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #185

a poll about the transgendered use of restrooms only has one option with the word "transgendered" CreekDog Sep 2015 #362

What is your evidence for the claim that banning transgendered people from el_bryanto Sep 2015 #318

You could or couldn't care less? I could care much less, but I don't. Ed Suspicious Sep 2015 #46

You got me. qwlauren35 Sep 2015 #113

Define "biological man." Iggo Sep 2015 #16

It's a TERF/RW-bigot frame that insinuates that trans-women are trying to trick you. backscatter712 Sep 2015 #143

exactly. Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #178

+1 nt Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #324

What are "biological men"? Behind the Aegis Sep 2015 #18

Thank you - I was wondering too n/t JustAnotherGen Sep 2015 #37

Seems we are to receive no answer. Behind the Aegis Sep 2015 #303

I didn't know it was a complicated defination Travis_0004 Sep 2015 #377

A lot of trans people don't ever do bottom surgery. LeftyMom Sep 2015 #19

... Spider Jerusalem Sep 2015 #21

Those in the process of transformation to their gender should be allowed to use the restroom of Dont call me Shirley Sep 2015 #22

My mother has MS and cannot go to the restroom by herself. LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #23

Women have an expectation that the bathroom will be "women only" TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2015 #28

I'd rather keep bathrooms separate yeoman6987 Sep 2015 #115

lol woolldog Sep 2015 #285

Poorly worded poll shenmue Sep 2015 #24

Transphobically framed push-poll. backscatter712 Sep 2015 #187

I know, I thought the OP wouldn't do that shenmue Sep 2015 #202

Or intentionally. Lancero Sep 2015 #198

Exactly nt Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #323

How might you know? Vinca Sep 2015 #25

We need more unisex crappers! MADem Sep 2015 #27

More US Puritanical prudery. mnhtnbb Sep 2015 #30

"there was NOBODY in the men's room" kinda makes your point, pointless. WinkyDink Sep 2015 #83

Someone dressed as a woman going in a men's room would be viewed strangely IF mnhtnbb Sep 2015 #110

How about a man dressed as a man... NotoriousRBG Sep 2015 #123

This was my thought DirtDart1319 Sep 2015 #212

Women's restrooms have stalls abelenkpe Sep 2015 #33

For me the issue is more one of creepy (not transgender) men going into the women's restroom, Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #35

Well, perverts have always had the opportunity to go in women's restrooms mnhtnbb Sep 2015 #39

Creepy men are more likely to enter women's restrooms if they are legally allowed to do so, Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #43

I'd like to see the case studies showing this is true Cal Carpenter Sep 2015 #55

Why do you think creepy men are more likely to assault women in restrooms if they are unisex? uppityperson Sep 2015 #195

Yes, they have -- but the laws have meant they could be arrested for doing so. pnwmom Sep 2015 #295

The issue sounds quite a lot more like transphobia dressed up as "concern" Spider Jerusalem Sep 2015 #41

My thoughts exactly... n/t backscatter712 Sep 2015 #170

So the concern is sexual assault? Or violence? abelenkpe Sep 2015 #48

Who do you think is in more danger? Cal Carpenter Sep 2015 #50

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One notices he didn't answer. Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #130

Did you know that how you dress is not an indication of your gender? I am middle aged female in levi uppityperson Sep 2015 #199

You just used the Klan Fallacy. backscatter712 Sep 2015 #70

so you're saying that the laws permitting transgendered to use the restroom CreekDog Sep 2015 #363

How about it's none of my business what is in your pants Cal Carpenter Sep 2015 #47

That would be the first option if you would like to vote in the poll (nt) Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #51

No, it isn't. Cal Carpenter Sep 2015 #53

Ah, so "none of my business" does not necessarily mean "should be legal" (nt). Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #58

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As you can see from the poll results, DU is divided almost exactly 50-50 on this issue. Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #64

That just means DU has a lot of, well, we aren't allowed to call them what they are, who don't understand that this is already the law. Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #74

You say that like it means anything. Spider Jerusalem Sep 2015 #94

Whoops, forgot the "internet poll" disclaimer. Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #125

It is not fifty-fifty LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #235

You do realize that response distributions in DU polls suffer from self-selection bias, right? n/t Gormy Cuss Sep 2015 #341

I urge jury nullification on Cal Carpenter's post... n/t backscatter712 Sep 2015 #134

I concur. Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #159

I know. I don't understand why people have to cuss at others if they disagree. cwydro Sep 2015 #316

I second this. The overt bigotry on display here is horrendous. Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #169

You are officially due beer and travel money, and many experiences. nt Zorra Sep 2015 #243

No, it isn't. Your first option is "Biological men" which is far different and as of yet, undefined uppityperson Sep 2015 #201

#5 Americans should grow up about sex. randys1 Sep 2015 #60

Is this really only a US issue? Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #62

Americans should grow up about sex. randys1 Sep 2015 #63

Poorly worded gollygee Sep 2015 #65

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We're not talking about men. We're talking about trans-women. backscatter712 Sep 2015 #68

Well, to be fair, it is my OP and that was my poll question (nt) Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #73

Yeah, and your framing is fucking bullshit. n/t backscatter712 Sep 2015 #75

I'm sorry that you didn't like the wording of my poll (nt) Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #78

And I'm not sorry for calling out your bullshit. n/t backscatter712 Sep 2015 #81

I appreciate your contribution to the discussion. I certainly don't need an apology. Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #85

And half our country is infatuated with Donald Trump. backscatter712 Sep 2015 #131

Polls like this are called push polls for a reason. Ms. Toad Sep 2015 #180

Hmmm. I didn't use the word "rape", the word "attack" or even the word "assault", Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #186

Calling transwomen "biological men," which your second question expressly does, Ms. Toad Sep 2015 #200

Under 50 participants IS NOT HALF OF DU. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #317

I agree about the bullshit framing. Frankly I'm not surprised, though. Arugula Latte Sep 2015 #95

Ditto on the bullshit framing AND not one bit surprised either. Polls like this make DU suck. bettyellen Sep 2015 #242

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service eggplant Sep 2015 #371

I don't think cis men should go into a women's room without announcing and gollygee Sep 2015 #72

Let's try this. Say a non-transgender man uses the lady's room at a highway rest stop every day, Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #76

Yes. It's called "being a Peeping Tom". WinkyDink Sep 2015 #84

Trans-women should not be subjected to a crotch-search to be allowed to go in a bathroom and pee. backscatter712 Sep 2015 #67

I agree with every word of your post (nt) Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #82

MEN have No Business in a woman's restroom and Visa Versa trueblue2007 Sep 2015 #71

My next question: Allowing TERFs on a Democratic message board. backscatter712 Sep 2015 #79

Relevant: Spider Jerusalem Sep 2015 #86

I love this cartoon. Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #135

A very good question indeed! nt LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #89

Because DU juries choose to allow it? Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #90

For those who don't know, TERF = Trans-Exclusionary Reactionary Feminist. backscatter712 Sep 2015 #98

I have had quite an education Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #138

There are no TERFs here. The OP is not a radical feminist. geek tragedy Sep 2015 #93

There are plenty of TERFs here (not necessarily in this thread, perhaps) Spider Jerusalem Sep 2015 #97

the only transphobic stuff I've seen have been from those who are generally not aligned geek tragedy Sep 2015 #104

Then you haven't seen the same things I have, but I can assure you they're here. Spider Jerusalem Sep 2015 #108

you can PM, I'd be interested to see geek tragedy Sep 2015 #109

I think I know who the previous poster is talking about gollygee Sep 2015 #117

The James Dobson wing of the party is sure getting an airing here today, ain't they? Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #107

An altogether better question. nt Codeine Sep 2015 #121

Hell no. sagat Sep 2015 #87

If *HE* is dressed as a woman, I'll let him come in mainer Sep 2015 #92

Doesn't such an approach simply woolldog Sep 2015 #287

Sex-Segregated Public Restrooms Are an Outdated Relic of Victorian Paternalism davidn3600 Sep 2015 #100

I agree! tammywammy Sep 2015 #116

A rapist is more likely to walk into a woman's restroom if he knows he cannot be arrested Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #128

Someone that already has ill intentions is going to do it regardless. n/t tammywammy Sep 2015 #141

Why would you think that? What proof of any sort do you have of that? uppityperson Sep 2015 #232

as long as they use a stall and don't request those smelly urinals notadmblnd Sep 2015 #103

The results of the poll are sad and uninformed. yardwork Sep 2015 #114

I thought perhaps an armband so that the gender police could clearly identify them. Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #181

Yeah, a piece of flair that they'd be required to wear on their clothing... backscatter712 Sep 2015 #184

How about a yellow penis on their clothes geardaddy Sep 2015 #364

Are you kidding me with this? blogslut Sep 2015 #120

I'm guessing that you disagree with 50% of DU on this issue? (nt) Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #122

Oh, child. blogslut Sep 2015 #124

. Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #126

Or as the Irish these days might say... backscatter712 Sep 2015 #137

I think the real issue is women feeling vulnerable to sexual assault mainer Sep 2015 #127

And that's why trans-women shouldn't be forced to use the men's room. backscatter712 Sep 2015 #132

This poll doesn't seem to hit the issue of transgender very fully. PatrickforO Sep 2015 #133

I was expecting the middle choice to get the most votes. Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #145

Creeps have hidden in women's rooms before gollygee Sep 2015 #147

Remember this dude? Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #150

I don't think it'll make any difference at all gollygee Sep 2015 #155

If you don't think that any creeps would be emboldened by being legally allowed in the ladys room, Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #172

I am really confused why you continue this line uppityperson Sep 2015 #238

Oh. Well, I'd have voted the middle one! PatrickforO Sep 2015 #149

As a men, I selfishly would not give a shit who's in there with me. Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #154

Well, I have a wife and daughters too, and soon will have a grand daughter. PatrickforO Sep 2015 #158

Again, I am not the slightest bit concerned about transgender people. Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #160

Oh! I get it now. Sorry for being dense. PatrickforO Sep 2015 #165

How paternalistic of you. Goblinmonger Sep 2015 #211

Yes, having daughters has made me more paternalistic. Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #215

I have a daughter Goblinmonger Sep 2015 #218

+1 Ed Suspicious Sep 2015 #250

Are you seriously not aware of how many transwomen Ms. Toad Sep 2015 #188

With almost 200 responses, DU divided 50-50 and a vigorous, lively debate? Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #191

So if I put an intentionally racist push poll up, Ms. Toad Sep 2015 #203

I have made it abundantly clear that I have no issue with genuine transgender people. Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #206

Then why did you not put a single option in your poll Ms. Toad Sep 2015 #282

DU is not divided 50-50. Jamastiene Sep 2015 #349

Who do you know that carries "medical documentation of being transgender" around with them? uppityperson Sep 2015 #236

Yes, we can make transsexuals wear something on their clothes to prove they are. jeff47 Sep 2015 #331

As long as they don't pee on the seat, I don't get the problem HereSince1628 Sep 2015 #136

I've often wondered if anyone here has kids... ileus Sep 2015 #139

The question is not whether men (however you label them) Ms. Toad Sep 2015 #146

the transphobic poster of this transphobic poll knows that and thinks he is being cute Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #171

Do you consider all the DUers who chose option 3 in the poll to be transphobic? (nt) Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #177

I consider your position here on this issue to be one of overt transphobic bigotry. Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #179

Again, thanks for sharing your feelings on this issue (nt) Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #183

Unisex shitters for all JackInGreen Sep 2015 #153

A person who is psychologically or physically a woman should use the prayin4rain Sep 2015 #156

I would think that incidents of trans-women assaulting cis-women would be very rare. Maedhros Sep 2015 #174

Oh, I totally agree. prayin4rain Sep 2015 #197

Your question is transphobic. Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #161

For all the women here that are fine with this Heeeeers Johnny Sep 2015 #168

So do women Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #216

LOL @ "deuces" geardaddy Sep 2015 #365

Having been a janitor, both men and women are slobs in toilets. uppityperson Sep 2015 #240

I would assume most use the urinal, and as such the toilets are cleaner. Travis_0004 Sep 2015 #264

I don't know how to break this to you, but there are no urinals in a women's restroom. WillowTree Sep 2015 #284

"YOU VANT TO TAKE DUMP?? VERE ARE YOUR PAPERS??" bullwinkle428 Sep 2015 #189

Conservatives Use "Bathroom Panic" To Defeat Transgender Non-Discrimination Laws Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #194

In France there are unisex restrooms Nevernose Sep 2015 #204

Gendered bathrooms aren't necessary. Gormy Cuss Sep 2015 #208

How about we relabel the bathrooms on the NJ Turnpike rest stops as "bathroom 1" and "bathroom 2", Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #210

Why do you think women wouldn't be receptive to this concept? Gormy Cuss Sep 2015 #220

Outside of Wrigley Field I haven't seen "troughs" in at least 25 years (nt) Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #222

And that anecdote means what, exactly? Gormy Cuss Sep 2015 #225

Then you haven't been to the First Avenue club in Minneapolis. bullwinkle428 Sep 2015 #241

There are still a few places... backscatter712 Sep 2015 #248

And the CC Club and Lyle's and the State Fair geardaddy Sep 2015 #367

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And because in one case, a black man assaulted a white woman... backscatter712 Sep 2015 #214

Not sure single-sex restrooms are analogous to whites-only schools. Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #217

And we have a winner!!![n/t] LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #237

Congratulations, exhaustive Googling has found you a single instance... Spider Jerusalem Sep 2015 #226

A letter from a psychiatrist is actually a good idea, Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #229

You seem to be amazingly ignorant Spider Jerusalem Sep 2015 #233

It's just the usual trolling. Nothing more. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Sep 2015 #313

Biological men Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #224

Its called a "Urinal" if you have penis...use it. hexola Sep 2015 #227

Head Games... hexola Sep 2015 #228

Is there no such thing as Heterophobia? (nt) hexola Sep 2015 #244

No there isn't. Its homophobic bullshit similar to "reverse racism". n/t Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #297

No. shenmue Sep 2015 #305

I don't know how I feel about this yuiyoshida Sep 2015 #247

tired of offending the usual groups? CreekDog Sep 2015 #252

Would DU be a better and more interesting place if nobody was ever offended? Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #256

No. DU would be a better place without transphobia or homophobic posts. uppityperson Sep 2015 #261

Perhaps we could have some kind of "jury system" Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #265

What post of yours was hidden in the last 90 days? I am sincerely curious, if you'd link it. uppityperson Sep 2015 #276

(Trigger warning) it was a somewhat facetious remark about "microaggressions" and "trigger warnings". Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #279

Frankly, Snobblevitch Sep 2015 #254

My genitals are not attached to a facility. Are yours? uppityperson Sep 2015 #259

Why? Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #298

I second the "Why?" justiceischeap Sep 2015 #340

I was attempting sarcasm at the expense of Jenner. Snobblevitch Sep 2015 #366

I don't care who poops where. svpadgham Sep 2015 #255

And how do you determine this? ibegurpard Sep 2015 #258

A DUer upthread suggested that a psychiatrist's letter could serve as documentation. Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #262

Are you seriously suggesting we check papers ibegurpard Sep 2015 #268

No. (nt) Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #272

Papers please? backscatter712 Sep 2015 #270

No. But if a woman complains to a cop or security guard about a man in the women's restroom, Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #277

If a woman complains about a person behaving inappropriately in the women's restroom, Ms. Toad Sep 2015 #288

I did not, in fact, suggest that Spider Jerusalem Sep 2015 #290

I'm going to be rude here. WARNING! Don't read the text Nye, you will likley be offended. vkkv Sep 2015 #369

Im confused...by excremental discrimination hexola Sep 2015 #275

How about getting rid of the gaps? tandot Sep 2015 #273

How is this going to be determined? lonestarnot Sep 2015 #291

I couldn't care less Egnever Sep 2015 #296

Push poll much? marmar Sep 2015 #299

No, "push poll" does not mean "poll whose results I don't like Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #315

If a transgender woman wants to use a restroom who cares what is between her legs? dilby Sep 2015 #306

Nuke the site from orbit. Orrex Sep 2015 #311

There is always a line at the womens restrooms liberal N proud Sep 2015 #314

You are a real piece of work, Nye. morningfog Sep 2015 #319

why is 'i am an asshole' not a response option? La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2015 #320

Anyone who believes themself to be an asshole is welcome to post that in the thread (nt) Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #321

i believe you are, so you should have added it as an option. nt La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2015 #322

That would force them to either "break character" or show some self awareness. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Sep 2015 #344

The option I was looking for was 'The author of this poll is a bigoted, shallow minded fool'. Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #375

I won't answer your poll. MineralMan Sep 2015 #325

I was beginning to wonder why you hadn't voted. Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #330

I doubt you were wondering about that at all. MineralMan Sep 2015 #338

Huge straw man post! nt longship Sep 2015 #328

anyone have kids here??? ileus Sep 2015 #329

Yep. Even have a daughter. The poll is still a steaming pile of transphobia. (nt) jeff47 Sep 2015 #332

No Capt. Obvious Sep 2015 #334

I have two kids. n/t gollygee Sep 2015 #368

What a crock of shit. Jamastiene Sep 2015 #333

You've eaten quite the meal this week Capt. Obvious Sep 2015 #335

When did you stop beating your spouse? That question is just as honest as your poll. Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #336

A thread to prove my point and rather perfectly. Rex Sep 2015 #343

I'm not sure which is worse . . . markpkessinger Sep 2015 #370

Bigoted push poll- and another abstention for this trash bettyellen Sep 2015 #372

Who gives a shit? bobclark86 Sep 2015 #385

Yes, chilling is good...breahe.... CTyankee Sep 2015 #387

^^ This ^^ Fearless Sep 2015 #397

It's a bathroom. Do you have separate bathrooms for men and women at home?? Fearless Sep 2015 #396