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63. You are confusing abstaining for not voting

Wed Sep 9, 2015, 09:05 AM

Sep 2015

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]Abstaining is specifically voting for none of the choices. It is literally neither a vote for nor against.[/font]

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/abstain

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]Voting this particular way is meant to invalidate the vote and make it where no-side can claim a majority position.

In this case (134 votes total, 50 for option one, 9 for option two, 50 for option three, and 25 abstaining) there were enough DUer's not voting that it could easily turn either choice 1 or 2 into a clear majority. We can't even say for sure if support is even or not.

Thus no side can make any claim beyond that option two is a minority position on DU...which was the entire point for many abstainers. [/font]

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What the fuck is up with all the concern trolling about transgender women using women's... [View all] Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 OP

This must be something the TV is spewing Egnever Sep 2015 #1

That's always my first guess when something like this pops up here. hunter Sep 2015 #167

Pops up, or poops up? Eleanors38 Sep 2015 #261

agreed Skittles Sep 2015 #2

Its openly encouraged. The admins are absent and the jury system is broken. Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #3

well then it is up to us to kick their sorry asses Skittles Sep 2015 #15

If it makes you feel any better Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #73

juries are a real crap-shoot Skittles Sep 2015 #189

I agree Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #191

possibly he had another post removed and was deemed a troll? Skittles Sep 2015 #192

Ah, that makes sense Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #193

I completely agree! Really disappointing. nt City Lights Sep 2015 #55

I know it's getting really revolting. Initech Sep 2015 #141

There was a news story a few days ago about a high school student being denied access to a restroom CBGLuthier Sep 2015 #4

That I know, hell for me its a local story. What I'm puzzled by is why transphobic posts.... Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #5

I answered your first question. As to your second question CBGLuthier Sep 2015 #7

It wasn't just a restroom, Ms. Yertle Sep 2015 #53

Yes - this is a difficult issue. Short of mandating that TG show facilities are built, this jonno99 Sep 2015 #83

I can imagine what a young girl Ms. Yertle Sep 2015 #104

Using young children who have been molested to further a sick agenda meant to show hate AllFieldsRequired Sep 2015 #151

Seriously?? Ms. Yertle Sep 2015 #154

One common argument is to essentially imply that trans people are sexual predators. nomorenomore08 Sep 2015 #251

Of course it is, personally I am so angry that we even are having this discussion on an AllFieldsRequired Sep 2015 #260

Sick Agenda? Boudica the Lyoness Sep 2015 #248

Oh FFS. yardwork Sep 2015 #153

Riiiiiiight Ms. Yertle Sep 2015 #155

A young girl, molested by a woman, made to shower with other young women? And...this would uppityperson Sep 2015 #234

Why don't *all* shower rooms have private stalls? If not, they should. n/t nomorenomore08 Sep 2015 #252

OH! qwlauren35 Sep 2015 #129

By your logic, lesbians shouldn't be allowed in girls' locker rooms either. nomorenomore08 Sep 2015 #250

Post removed Post removed Sep 2015 #253

Wouldn't she have to be peeking in the next stall to see penis? Jamastiene Sep 2015 #259

In no way should this come as a surprise. Behind the Aegis Sep 2015 #6

From now on I'm just going to wander around DU JustAnotherGen Sep 2015 #34

+1 nt Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #72

DU has been overrun by conservatives. nt Zorra Sep 2015 #8

Lots of bigots here, sadly. Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #9

It is fucked up LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #10

a few women insist that "sisterhood" is a sacred space that transwomen and bis are trying to MisterP Sep 2015 #11

What? I'm a woman and frankly, this issue almost never comes up. yardwork Sep 2015 #25

Normal people don't worry about this issue Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #78

What is a TERF? yardwork Sep 2015 #79

A TERF is Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #86

Why is anybody other than law enforcement paying any attention? yardwork Sep 2015 #116

Because they pollute this board with their transphobic "bio-truth" bullshit. n/t Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #123

What the fuck??? Who? yardwork Sep 2015 #128

Oh here's an example, and if you want, I can dig up some more links: Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #134

One poster? Never heard of her or him and I've been around DU a long time. yardwork Sep 2015 #136

Post removed Post removed Sep 2015 #139

I misunderstood which poster you were pointing me toward. yardwork Sep 2015 #149

Wow, what a smear. prayin4rain Sep 2015 #172

As to your last paragraph, I am guilty of not caring one shit or lick about the opinion of randys1 Sep 2015 #177

What? ?? Geezus, this is nuts! prayin4rain Sep 2015 #180

You went out of your way to say anyone who held a different position about the proper randys1 Sep 2015 #181

Wow. This is incredible. n/t prayin4rain Sep 2015 #183

Wait, did I misunderstand you? If so, please explain. randys1 Sep 2015 #184

No, it's not like that. prayin4rain Sep 2015 #217

I haven't seen the question about cis men at all. yardwork Sep 2015 #232

?? That's what most of the discussion has been about. prayin4rain Sep 2015 #237

Yeah, that's complete hogwash. yardwork Sep 2015 #238

Rather a broadbrush sort of insult there, which is ironic. uppityperson Sep 2015 #235

Didn't mean to imply each and every one without exception, prayin4rain Sep 2015 #239

They intentionally harm Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #131

Sounds like a bunch of nonsense to me. /nt yardwork Sep 2015 #150

It's not to the women they harm Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #178

That's because it's bullshit kcr Sep 2015 #196

I noticed. Troll work. yardwork Sep 2015 #197

I caught that, too. kcr Sep 2015 #198

Nope Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #207

I don't agree kcr Sep 2015 #209

I'm sorry you don't agree Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #213

That's fine, but I would think it would be better to understand the terms one uses kcr Sep 2015 #216

I get it Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #218

This message was self-deleted by its author Proud Liberal Dem Sep 2015 #32

Some of their insane arguments: Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #77

The Michigan Womyn's Music Festival excluded transwomen for most of its existence KamaAina Sep 2015 #114

I read about that Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #115

That IS insane Proud Liberal Dem Sep 2015 #138

Proof? alarimer Sep 2015 #71

TERFs use those terms often Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #75

That sounds as loony as Kim Davis. yardwork Sep 2015 #82

It's not their size I worry about Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #87

All this drama. yardwork Sep 2015 #117

Yeah...no Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #133

Who is doing that? One crazy person you knew? yardwork Sep 2015 #165

Not at all Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #179

This message was self-deleted by its author yardwork Sep 2015 #182

Do you have me confused with someone? Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #188

I am reading your posts here and all I see is blame toward TERFs yardwork Sep 2015 #194

I am seeing your point Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #200

There have been some mega flame wars here due to ""radfem"trolls. yardwork Sep 2015 #231

:) nt Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #233

Please translate for stupid me: AVFM? TIA. MADem Sep 2015 #160

Hi MADem! Can you believe this shit? yardwork Sep 2015 #164

I think this is insane. I've only seen this topic hashed to death here. MADem Sep 2015 #174

I am trying to understand you Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #187

I'll spell it out. There's a long history on DU of blaming "rad fems"for everything. yardwork Sep 2015 #190

Ok Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #195

The posts in question haven't been started by women gollygee Sep 2015 #205

I noticed Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #208

I don't understand this attitude, frankly. ladyVet Sep 2015 #262

there was actually a *lot* of GBT-phobia in the second wave of feminism MisterP Sep 2015 #263

Why do we even have different (gender) restrooms? Why not a "urinal" room and a "stalls" room. McCamy Taylor Sep 2015 #12

What if you gotta take a shit? n/t Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #13

That's what the stalls are for. Divernan Sep 2015 #14

If you shit in the urinal you are doing it wrong. Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #21

No one does that anymore. AngryAmish Sep 2015 #22

See, this is the reason I come here... people are wild !!!! uponit7771 Sep 2015 #137

Well, I imagine you could try to do that in a urinal, but Jamastiene Sep 2015 #224

I wish that I could rec every word of your post! yardwork Sep 2015 #255

Boom!!! Yes!!! nt Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #258

How convenient for men. WinkyDink Sep 2015 #26

You do know it's the 21st century- You have the P-Mate! snooper2 Sep 2015 #135

YES!!!! Jamastiene Sep 2015 #221

So.... Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #225

Beats me gwheezie Sep 2015 #16

Americans are puritanical prudes who giggle at pee pee parts. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2015 #17

And yet gender segregated bathrooms are nearly a universal and many nations are gender segregated Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #57

America is unique in thinking the reason Rome fell was because they pissed off God.... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2015 #65

So far it seems like it's being instigated by one troll who decided to switch from race trolling to Guy Whitey Corngood Sep 2015 #18

I've seen plenty of women use men's restrooms justiceischeap Sep 2015 #19

I am guessing the women don't give a shit about the "poor guy's penis" MADem Sep 2015 #170

Yep Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #212

One of us is very very concerned that a biological male will be peeing in a stall Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #20

I also see something else going on here. yardwork Sep 2015 #171

Based on the poll results, DU is divided almost exactly 50-50 on this issue, Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #23

Actually, your little push poll doesn't show anything about DU yardwork Sep 2015 #28

"Push poll" does not mean "poll whose results I don't like". Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #30

Look up the definition of push poll. yardwork Sep 2015 #31

OK. Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #36

Do you see how the wording of your poll influenced people's responses? yardwork Sep 2015 #58

being a proud bigot means being an obtuse bigot Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #109

Public ridicule is more my style anyway. yardwork Sep 2015 #118

yup. That and ostracism are effective. Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #119

You can lead a bigot to education but you can't make them learn. uppityperson Sep 2015 #121

So funny. RedCappedBandit Sep 2015 #247

No, it doesn't. It shows a couple dozen individuals think like you. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #37

That's like saying that a poll showing Sanders beating Hillary is meaningless Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #40

No, it's not. If you think your stupid fucking poll is a scientific statistical sample, PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #44

Of course all internet polls require the usual disclaimer, Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #45

50, or even 100 votes, is NOT a "broad reflection of this community". PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #47

Community standards here are determined by juries with a mere 7 votes per post. Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #48

I know! It's so stupid! PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #49

Big enough number to be a staticially valid sample 1939 Sep 2015 #62

Even if randomly selected, the results would not be valid Ms. Toad Sep 2015 #70

+1 nt Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #85

The question itself, the poll itself is so incredibly bigoted I would not even cast a vote in it. Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #61

Do you consider anyone who would participate in such a poll to be a bigot? (nt) Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #66

THe OP of the poll is a bigot. morningfog Sep 2015 #95

Yes, ugly as can be. Vicious hatred toward people who are different. If they are not targeting randys1 Sep 2015 #156

Yes, this is a new low for DU. yardwork Sep 2015 #159

Maybe nobody is reporting it. Jury system is severely flawed, i have had multiple posts hidden randys1 Sep 2015 #161

There appear to be a zillion right wing trolls lurking on DU. yardwork Sep 2015 #163

And also illuminating in that they often illustrate who cowers behind implication LanternWaste Sep 2015 #69

+1 nt Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #84

You are ignoring all the abstaining votes again (nt) LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #41

There will always be people who don't really care, one way or the other. Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #42

They care, many of them said they were abstaining solely because of the wording LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #43

Right. Create a transphobic poll that includes no non-transphobic options Ms. Toad Sep 2015 #74

Exactly nt Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #219

Its kind of the way votes work Travis_0004 Sep 2015 #51

You are confusing abstaining for not voting LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #63

I voted to "pass" Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #89

I think you responded to the wrong person I made no polls nt LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #97

I did. Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #101

This poll shows 96% support for "use[ing] the facilities they identify with" cyberswede Sep 2015 #64

No. Your poll had no, nada, zip, zero answers that were not transphobic. Ms. Toad Sep 2015 #68

So everyone who voted in it is a transphobe? (nt) Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #76

I would not have voted in a poll that included only transphobic options. Ms. Toad Sep 2015 #81

Not necessarily. But the author certainly is. morningfog Sep 2015 #93

Well for certain one person is. Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #111

You are incorrect. nt Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #88

once people were divided 50/50 on whether blacks are inferior as a race La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2015 #94

Just because one side is popular doesn't make it right or rational, not to mention your poll... Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #113

Even so Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #214

I'm right there with you. yardwork Sep 2015 #24

Got me. I think it's long past time we just moved to unisex bathrooms. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2015 #27

Ever use a stall after a bunch of guys in a very busy venue? yeoman6987 Sep 2015 #50

Ever tried to sit on a toilet in a women's public restroom? Jamastiene Sep 2015 #226

What about urinals? Travis_0004 Sep 2015 #52

They're already in half stalls in a lot of places. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2015 #54

I don't think it's an issue of when someone is actually INSIDE a stall. IMO, it's the space between WinkyDink Sep 2015 #29

Rapes in public bathrooms are very rare. yardwork Sep 2015 #33

I don't understand it either JustAnotherGen Sep 2015 #35

Seems to be based in fear. yardwork Sep 2015 #56

That and abject stupidity JustAnotherGen Sep 2015 #59

Society should not conform to your bigoted irrationality. Your feelings are NOT valid, sorry. n/t Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #126

You know who's really vulnerable to attacks? Trans people in gendered spaces. LeftyMom Sep 2015 #227

+1 nt Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #228

Thank you for stating that so clearly. yardwork Sep 2015 #230

I blame the admins RandiFan1290 Sep 2015 #38

Exactly. Skinner and co. don't give a fuck.They don't want to do the hard work of curating the site. backscatter712 Sep 2015 #112

DU juries are not sensitive to minorities. In fact, they're often hostile to minorities. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #39

When I am on a jury, I have no idea wgo the alert is on yeoman6987 Sep 2015 #242

Ffs, really? PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #243

Reread your prior reply and then delete your current reply and start over yeoman6987 Sep 2015 #249

No. I won't delete or edit anything. You don't get it? That's your problem. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #254

Nye dunno, but you'd bevan believe there's a strain of transphobic bigotry at work here. Codeine Sep 2015 #46

Another factor: Religion. Of course. Arugula Latte Sep 2015 #99

It's called Transphobia. (n/t) Iggo Sep 2015 #60

They want people to know that they feel superior to all of us lesser beings. Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #67

It is sad and pathetic. onecaliberal Sep 2015 #80

Post removed Post removed Sep 2015 #90

DU has active transphobes who post push polls. They are also racists. Generally, just bigots. morningfog Sep 2015 #91

seconded. nt La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2015 #96

And the very worst kind of bigots Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #100

The worst kind are the ones who are either in denial of their bigotry or try to hide it in order morningfog Sep 2015 #103

Nah Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #107

Yes, they are. jeff47 Sep 2015 #108

because they are assholes? bigoted assholes? La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2015 #92

Religion rearing its hateful, ignorant head. The OP is "worried" about the safety of his kids -- Arugula Latte Sep 2015 #98

FYI on "transgendered": Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #102

Oh, Yes Sir. Arugula Latte Sep 2015 #105

why would somebody who demands that transgender people present proof of medical Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #120

Not a "lecture". Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #122

I wish some would familiarize themselves more about the process. nt uppityperson Sep 2015 #124

You aren't CreekDog Sep 2015 #206

Flagged for review now too. uppityperson Sep 2015 #236

Wow. Okay, well that process is a sound one! CreekDog Sep 2015 #240

Tell me about it. n/t Jamastiene Sep 2015 #241

Because they are a trolling Guy Whitey Corngood Sep 2015 #127

Because women with men's external genitalia are apparently a threat to society. Gormy Cuss Sep 2015 #106

Post removed Post removed Sep 2015 #132

A transwoman is a woman Gormy Cuss Sep 2015 #140

I agree. A trans woman is not likely to walk around naked TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2015 #143

Yes, there comfort level isn't a concern. n/t Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #142

Noted. nt jonno99 Sep 2015 #146

Serious question. How likely is that to happen? yardwork Sep 2015 #152

+1 nt Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #215

alert results # 132 irisblue Sep 2015 #201

these types get so wound up in identity politics they end up hiding non-homophobia as "homophobic" MisterP Sep 2015 #210

It' not transgender folks in the bathroom that is the problem TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2015 #110

The transgender people are the ones who feel uncomfortable. yardwork Sep 2015 #125

"The transgender people are the ones who feel uncomfortable." - However, they are not jonno99 Sep 2015 #130

My point sailed over your fearful little head. yardwork Sep 2015 #157

Not fearful at all. You however, seem fearful of anyone having an opinion or experince jonno99 Sep 2015 #168

In this case, we aren't talking about adult women, Ms. Yertle Sep 2015 #148

Reminds me of the ERA scare mongering about bathroom use. Done then to divide potential allies suffragette Sep 2015 #264

Honestly, I think unisex bathrooms and locker rooms will simplify a lot, it will also demystify... Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #144

I disagree. TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2015 #145

Uh, you do realize you are speaking here of minors, do you not? WinkyDink Sep 2015 #199

Gender-neutral bathrooms can be accomplished relatively easily. Gormy Cuss Sep 2015 #220

That OP author cannot answer you, they are locked out of the very thread they started. Rex Sep 2015 #147

I don't know. It seems very strange to me. MADem Sep 2015 #158

One trans gender person is pushing it a little too far HassleCat Sep 2015 #162

Or maybe the school made a perfectly sensible decision. yardwork Sep 2015 #166

I don't know HassleCat Sep 2015 #169

I think that we should leave the school alone to solve their own problem. yardwork Sep 2015 #173

That's the problem, right there HassleCat Sep 2015 #175

Yep nt Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #222

It was perfectly fine with you that the student be treated different from EVERYONE else and randys1 Sep 2015 #176

Since you did it, I will too HassleCat Sep 2015 #185

Sigh...Yes, in the future there will not be boys and girls rooms. Humans will be randys1 Sep 2015 #186

+1 nt Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #223

Who fucking cares? One of my HS classmates was trans. It was not a big deal. LeftyMom Sep 2015 #229

I think there are two things at work here HassleCat Sep 2015 #265

A girl showering with girls isn't "too far" LeftyMom Sep 2015 #266

Please read one of the articles about this case HassleCat Sep 2015 #267

I suppose they want to protect the sweet, gentle flower of womanhood Warpy Sep 2015 #202

RW Trash are trolling again bettyellen Sep 2015 #203

IMO it is a tactic to get us to waste our time on trivial BS and not focus on real issues. I say Vincardog Sep 2015 #204

They want what happened to my sister tymorial Sep 2015 #211

Does it ever occur to them that they've probably TexasBushwhacker Sep 2015 #244

This is all hysteria and an excuse to bully transgender people. yardwork Sep 2015 #256

In terms of why it's happening now, there was a walk-out of a school in Missouri Recursion Sep 2015 #245

200 little scared bigots, encouraged by their bigot parents yardwork Sep 2015 #257

What's up with it is bigotry. No more discussion needed. RedCappedBandit Sep 2015 #246