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alarimer

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71. Proof?

Wed Sep 9, 2015, 10:52 AM

Sep 2015

First off, it is not "a lot". What you are talking about is a few radicals, who perpetuate a lot of utter nonsense. But I don't believe they are the majority, nor are they the bigger threat to transwomen. Men are the bigger threat. So the activists are shooting themselves in the foot with this kind of talk. All it does is alienate people (i.e. women) who should be natural allies. (Not the radical feminists. I write those people off as completely off their rockers). I am not saying that women can't be bigots when it comes to transwomen, of course they can and are, certainly. But of course it is much easier to rail against bigots on Twitter or wherever than to change the structure of society.

I am personally sick of the touchy-feely nonsense that seems to be in all movements these days, from feminism to environmentalism. "Sacred spaces" or "sisterhood" what a bunch of twaddle. The real work is integrating society so that it is safe for everyone.

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What the fuck is up with all the concern trolling about transgender women using women's... [View all] Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 OP

This must be something the TV is spewing Egnever Sep 2015 #1

That's always my first guess when something like this pops up here. hunter Sep 2015 #167

Pops up, or poops up? Eleanors38 Sep 2015 #261

agreed Skittles Sep 2015 #2

Its openly encouraged. The admins are absent and the jury system is broken. Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #3

well then it is up to us to kick their sorry asses Skittles Sep 2015 #15

If it makes you feel any better Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #73

juries are a real crap-shoot Skittles Sep 2015 #189

I agree Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #191

possibly he had another post removed and was deemed a troll? Skittles Sep 2015 #192

Ah, that makes sense Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #193

I completely agree! Really disappointing. nt City Lights Sep 2015 #55

I know it's getting really revolting. Initech Sep 2015 #141

There was a news story a few days ago about a high school student being denied access to a restroom CBGLuthier Sep 2015 #4

That I know, hell for me its a local story. What I'm puzzled by is why transphobic posts.... Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #5

I answered your first question. As to your second question CBGLuthier Sep 2015 #7

It wasn't just a restroom, Ms. Yertle Sep 2015 #53

Yes - this is a difficult issue. Short of mandating that TG show facilities are built, this jonno99 Sep 2015 #83

I can imagine what a young girl Ms. Yertle Sep 2015 #104

Using young children who have been molested to further a sick agenda meant to show hate AllFieldsRequired Sep 2015 #151

Seriously?? Ms. Yertle Sep 2015 #154

One common argument is to essentially imply that trans people are sexual predators. nomorenomore08 Sep 2015 #251

Of course it is, personally I am so angry that we even are having this discussion on an AllFieldsRequired Sep 2015 #260

Sick Agenda? Boudica the Lyoness Sep 2015 #248

Oh FFS. yardwork Sep 2015 #153

Riiiiiiight Ms. Yertle Sep 2015 #155

A young girl, molested by a woman, made to shower with other young women? And...this would uppityperson Sep 2015 #234

Why don't *all* shower rooms have private stalls? If not, they should. n/t nomorenomore08 Sep 2015 #252

OH! qwlauren35 Sep 2015 #129

By your logic, lesbians shouldn't be allowed in girls' locker rooms either. nomorenomore08 Sep 2015 #250

Post removed Post removed Sep 2015 #253

Wouldn't she have to be peeking in the next stall to see penis? Jamastiene Sep 2015 #259

In no way should this come as a surprise. Behind the Aegis Sep 2015 #6

From now on I'm just going to wander around DU JustAnotherGen Sep 2015 #34

+1 nt Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #72

DU has been overrun by conservatives. nt Zorra Sep 2015 #8

Lots of bigots here, sadly. Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #9

It is fucked up LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #10

a few women insist that "sisterhood" is a sacred space that transwomen and bis are trying to MisterP Sep 2015 #11

What? I'm a woman and frankly, this issue almost never comes up. yardwork Sep 2015 #25

Normal people don't worry about this issue Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #78

What is a TERF? yardwork Sep 2015 #79

A TERF is Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #86

Why is anybody other than law enforcement paying any attention? yardwork Sep 2015 #116

Because they pollute this board with their transphobic "bio-truth" bullshit. n/t Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #123

What the fuck??? Who? yardwork Sep 2015 #128

Oh here's an example, and if you want, I can dig up some more links: Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #134

One poster? Never heard of her or him and I've been around DU a long time. yardwork Sep 2015 #136

Post removed Post removed Sep 2015 #139

I misunderstood which poster you were pointing me toward. yardwork Sep 2015 #149

Wow, what a smear. prayin4rain Sep 2015 #172

As to your last paragraph, I am guilty of not caring one shit or lick about the opinion of randys1 Sep 2015 #177

What? ?? Geezus, this is nuts! prayin4rain Sep 2015 #180

You went out of your way to say anyone who held a different position about the proper randys1 Sep 2015 #181

Wow. This is incredible. n/t prayin4rain Sep 2015 #183

Wait, did I misunderstand you? If so, please explain. randys1 Sep 2015 #184

No, it's not like that. prayin4rain Sep 2015 #217

I haven't seen the question about cis men at all. yardwork Sep 2015 #232

?? That's what most of the discussion has been about. prayin4rain Sep 2015 #237

Yeah, that's complete hogwash. yardwork Sep 2015 #238

Rather a broadbrush sort of insult there, which is ironic. uppityperson Sep 2015 #235

Didn't mean to imply each and every one without exception, prayin4rain Sep 2015 #239

They intentionally harm Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #131

Sounds like a bunch of nonsense to me. /nt yardwork Sep 2015 #150

It's not to the women they harm Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #178

That's because it's bullshit kcr Sep 2015 #196

I noticed. Troll work. yardwork Sep 2015 #197

I caught that, too. kcr Sep 2015 #198

Nope Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #207

I don't agree kcr Sep 2015 #209

I'm sorry you don't agree Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #213

That's fine, but I would think it would be better to understand the terms one uses kcr Sep 2015 #216

I get it Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #218

This message was self-deleted by its author Proud Liberal Dem Sep 2015 #32

Some of their insane arguments: Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #77

The Michigan Womyn's Music Festival excluded transwomen for most of its existence KamaAina Sep 2015 #114

I read about that Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #115

That IS insane Proud Liberal Dem Sep 2015 #138

Proof? alarimer Sep 2015 #71

TERFs use those terms often Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #75

That sounds as loony as Kim Davis. yardwork Sep 2015 #82

It's not their size I worry about Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #87

All this drama. yardwork Sep 2015 #117

Yeah...no Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #133

Who is doing that? One crazy person you knew? yardwork Sep 2015 #165

Not at all Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #179

This message was self-deleted by its author yardwork Sep 2015 #182

Do you have me confused with someone? Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #188

I am reading your posts here and all I see is blame toward TERFs yardwork Sep 2015 #194

I am seeing your point Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #200

There have been some mega flame wars here due to ""radfem"trolls. yardwork Sep 2015 #231

:) nt Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #233

Please translate for stupid me: AVFM? TIA. MADem Sep 2015 #160

Hi MADem! Can you believe this shit? yardwork Sep 2015 #164

I think this is insane. I've only seen this topic hashed to death here. MADem Sep 2015 #174

I am trying to understand you Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #187

I'll spell it out. There's a long history on DU of blaming "rad fems"for everything. yardwork Sep 2015 #190

Ok Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #195

The posts in question haven't been started by women gollygee Sep 2015 #205

I noticed Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #208

I don't understand this attitude, frankly. ladyVet Sep 2015 #262

there was actually a *lot* of GBT-phobia in the second wave of feminism MisterP Sep 2015 #263

Why do we even have different (gender) restrooms? Why not a "urinal" room and a "stalls" room. McCamy Taylor Sep 2015 #12

What if you gotta take a shit? n/t Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #13

That's what the stalls are for. Divernan Sep 2015 #14

If you shit in the urinal you are doing it wrong. Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #21

No one does that anymore. AngryAmish Sep 2015 #22

See, this is the reason I come here... people are wild !!!! uponit7771 Sep 2015 #137

Well, I imagine you could try to do that in a urinal, but Jamastiene Sep 2015 #224

I wish that I could rec every word of your post! yardwork Sep 2015 #255

Boom!!! Yes!!! nt Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #258

How convenient for men. WinkyDink Sep 2015 #26

You do know it's the 21st century- You have the P-Mate! snooper2 Sep 2015 #135

YES!!!! Jamastiene Sep 2015 #221

So.... Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #225

Beats me gwheezie Sep 2015 #16

Americans are puritanical prudes who giggle at pee pee parts. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2015 #17

And yet gender segregated bathrooms are nearly a universal and many nations are gender segregated Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #57

America is unique in thinking the reason Rome fell was because they pissed off God.... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2015 #65

So far it seems like it's being instigated by one troll who decided to switch from race trolling to Guy Whitey Corngood Sep 2015 #18

I've seen plenty of women use men's restrooms justiceischeap Sep 2015 #19

I am guessing the women don't give a shit about the "poor guy's penis" MADem Sep 2015 #170

Yep Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #212

One of us is very very concerned that a biological male will be peeing in a stall Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #20

I also see something else going on here. yardwork Sep 2015 #171

Based on the poll results, DU is divided almost exactly 50-50 on this issue, Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #23

Actually, your little push poll doesn't show anything about DU yardwork Sep 2015 #28

"Push poll" does not mean "poll whose results I don't like". Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #30

Look up the definition of push poll. yardwork Sep 2015 #31

OK. Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #36

Do you see how the wording of your poll influenced people's responses? yardwork Sep 2015 #58

being a proud bigot means being an obtuse bigot Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #109

Public ridicule is more my style anyway. yardwork Sep 2015 #118

yup. That and ostracism are effective. Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #119

You can lead a bigot to education but you can't make them learn. uppityperson Sep 2015 #121

So funny. RedCappedBandit Sep 2015 #247

No, it doesn't. It shows a couple dozen individuals think like you. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #37

That's like saying that a poll showing Sanders beating Hillary is meaningless Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #40

No, it's not. If you think your stupid fucking poll is a scientific statistical sample, PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #44

Of course all internet polls require the usual disclaimer, Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #45

50, or even 100 votes, is NOT a "broad reflection of this community". PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #47

Community standards here are determined by juries with a mere 7 votes per post. Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #48

I know! It's so stupid! PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #49

Big enough number to be a staticially valid sample 1939 Sep 2015 #62

Even if randomly selected, the results would not be valid Ms. Toad Sep 2015 #70

+1 nt Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #85

The question itself, the poll itself is so incredibly bigoted I would not even cast a vote in it. Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #61

Do you consider anyone who would participate in such a poll to be a bigot? (nt) Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #66

THe OP of the poll is a bigot. morningfog Sep 2015 #95

Yes, ugly as can be. Vicious hatred toward people who are different. If they are not targeting randys1 Sep 2015 #156

Yes, this is a new low for DU. yardwork Sep 2015 #159

Maybe nobody is reporting it. Jury system is severely flawed, i have had multiple posts hidden randys1 Sep 2015 #161

There appear to be a zillion right wing trolls lurking on DU. yardwork Sep 2015 #163

And also illuminating in that they often illustrate who cowers behind implication LanternWaste Sep 2015 #69

+1 nt Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #84

You are ignoring all the abstaining votes again (nt) LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #41

There will always be people who don't really care, one way or the other. Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #42

They care, many of them said they were abstaining solely because of the wording LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #43

Right. Create a transphobic poll that includes no non-transphobic options Ms. Toad Sep 2015 #74

Exactly nt Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #219

Its kind of the way votes work Travis_0004 Sep 2015 #51

You are confusing abstaining for not voting LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #63

I voted to "pass" Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #89

I think you responded to the wrong person I made no polls nt LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #97

I did. Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #101

This poll shows 96% support for "use[ing] the facilities they identify with" cyberswede Sep 2015 #64

No. Your poll had no, nada, zip, zero answers that were not transphobic. Ms. Toad Sep 2015 #68

So everyone who voted in it is a transphobe? (nt) Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #76

I would not have voted in a poll that included only transphobic options. Ms. Toad Sep 2015 #81

Not necessarily. But the author certainly is. morningfog Sep 2015 #93

Well for certain one person is. Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #111

You are incorrect. nt Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #88

once people were divided 50/50 on whether blacks are inferior as a race La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2015 #94

Just because one side is popular doesn't make it right or rational, not to mention your poll... Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #113

Even so Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #214

I'm right there with you. yardwork Sep 2015 #24

Got me. I think it's long past time we just moved to unisex bathrooms. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2015 #27

Ever use a stall after a bunch of guys in a very busy venue? yeoman6987 Sep 2015 #50

Ever tried to sit on a toilet in a women's public restroom? Jamastiene Sep 2015 #226

What about urinals? Travis_0004 Sep 2015 #52

They're already in half stalls in a lot of places. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2015 #54

I don't think it's an issue of when someone is actually INSIDE a stall. IMO, it's the space between WinkyDink Sep 2015 #29

Rapes in public bathrooms are very rare. yardwork Sep 2015 #33

I don't understand it either JustAnotherGen Sep 2015 #35

Seems to be based in fear. yardwork Sep 2015 #56

That and abject stupidity JustAnotherGen Sep 2015 #59

Society should not conform to your bigoted irrationality. Your feelings are NOT valid, sorry. n/t Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #126

You know who's really vulnerable to attacks? Trans people in gendered spaces. LeftyMom Sep 2015 #227

+1 nt Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #228

Thank you for stating that so clearly. yardwork Sep 2015 #230

I blame the admins RandiFan1290 Sep 2015 #38

Exactly. Skinner and co. don't give a fuck.They don't want to do the hard work of curating the site. backscatter712 Sep 2015 #112

DU juries are not sensitive to minorities. In fact, they're often hostile to minorities. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #39

When I am on a jury, I have no idea wgo the alert is on yeoman6987 Sep 2015 #242

Ffs, really? PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #243

Reread your prior reply and then delete your current reply and start over yeoman6987 Sep 2015 #249

No. I won't delete or edit anything. You don't get it? That's your problem. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #254

Nye dunno, but you'd bevan believe there's a strain of transphobic bigotry at work here. Codeine Sep 2015 #46

Another factor: Religion. Of course. Arugula Latte Sep 2015 #99

It's called Transphobia. (n/t) Iggo Sep 2015 #60

They want people to know that they feel superior to all of us lesser beings. Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #67

It is sad and pathetic. onecaliberal Sep 2015 #80

Post removed Post removed Sep 2015 #90

DU has active transphobes who post push polls. They are also racists. Generally, just bigots. morningfog Sep 2015 #91

seconded. nt La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2015 #96

And the very worst kind of bigots Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #100

The worst kind are the ones who are either in denial of their bigotry or try to hide it in order morningfog Sep 2015 #103

Nah Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #107

Yes, they are. jeff47 Sep 2015 #108

because they are assholes? bigoted assholes? La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2015 #92

Religion rearing its hateful, ignorant head. The OP is "worried" about the safety of his kids -- Arugula Latte Sep 2015 #98

FYI on "transgendered": Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #102

Oh, Yes Sir. Arugula Latte Sep 2015 #105

why would somebody who demands that transgender people present proof of medical Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #120

Not a "lecture". Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #122

I wish some would familiarize themselves more about the process. nt uppityperson Sep 2015 #124

You aren't CreekDog Sep 2015 #206

Flagged for review now too. uppityperson Sep 2015 #236

Wow. Okay, well that process is a sound one! CreekDog Sep 2015 #240

Tell me about it. n/t Jamastiene Sep 2015 #241

Because they are a trolling Guy Whitey Corngood Sep 2015 #127

Because women with men's external genitalia are apparently a threat to society. Gormy Cuss Sep 2015 #106

Post removed Post removed Sep 2015 #132

A transwoman is a woman Gormy Cuss Sep 2015 #140

I agree. A trans woman is not likely to walk around naked TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2015 #143

Yes, there comfort level isn't a concern. n/t Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #142

Noted. nt jonno99 Sep 2015 #146

Serious question. How likely is that to happen? yardwork Sep 2015 #152

+1 nt Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #215

alert results # 132 irisblue Sep 2015 #201

these types get so wound up in identity politics they end up hiding non-homophobia as "homophobic" MisterP Sep 2015 #210

It' not transgender folks in the bathroom that is the problem TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2015 #110

The transgender people are the ones who feel uncomfortable. yardwork Sep 2015 #125

"The transgender people are the ones who feel uncomfortable." - However, they are not jonno99 Sep 2015 #130

My point sailed over your fearful little head. yardwork Sep 2015 #157

Not fearful at all. You however, seem fearful of anyone having an opinion or experince jonno99 Sep 2015 #168

In this case, we aren't talking about adult women, Ms. Yertle Sep 2015 #148

Reminds me of the ERA scare mongering about bathroom use. Done then to divide potential allies suffragette Sep 2015 #264

Honestly, I think unisex bathrooms and locker rooms will simplify a lot, it will also demystify... Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #144

I disagree. TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2015 #145

Uh, you do realize you are speaking here of minors, do you not? WinkyDink Sep 2015 #199

Gender-neutral bathrooms can be accomplished relatively easily. Gormy Cuss Sep 2015 #220

That OP author cannot answer you, they are locked out of the very thread they started. Rex Sep 2015 #147

I don't know. It seems very strange to me. MADem Sep 2015 #158

One trans gender person is pushing it a little too far HassleCat Sep 2015 #162

Or maybe the school made a perfectly sensible decision. yardwork Sep 2015 #166

I don't know HassleCat Sep 2015 #169

I think that we should leave the school alone to solve their own problem. yardwork Sep 2015 #173

That's the problem, right there HassleCat Sep 2015 #175

Yep nt Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #222

It was perfectly fine with you that the student be treated different from EVERYONE else and randys1 Sep 2015 #176

Since you did it, I will too HassleCat Sep 2015 #185

Sigh...Yes, in the future there will not be boys and girls rooms. Humans will be randys1 Sep 2015 #186

+1 nt Tree-Hugger Sep 2015 #223

Who fucking cares? One of my HS classmates was trans. It was not a big deal. LeftyMom Sep 2015 #229

I think there are two things at work here HassleCat Sep 2015 #265

A girl showering with girls isn't "too far" LeftyMom Sep 2015 #266

Please read one of the articles about this case HassleCat Sep 2015 #267

I suppose they want to protect the sweet, gentle flower of womanhood Warpy Sep 2015 #202

RW Trash are trolling again bettyellen Sep 2015 #203

IMO it is a tactic to get us to waste our time on trivial BS and not focus on real issues. I say Vincardog Sep 2015 #204

They want what happened to my sister tymorial Sep 2015 #211

Does it ever occur to them that they've probably TexasBushwhacker Sep 2015 #244

This is all hysteria and an excuse to bully transgender people. yardwork Sep 2015 #256

In terms of why it's happening now, there was a walk-out of a school in Missouri Recursion Sep 2015 #245

200 little scared bigots, encouraged by their bigot parents yardwork Sep 2015 #257

What's up with it is bigotry. No more discussion needed. RedCappedBandit Sep 2015 #246