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1StrongBlackMan

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Wed Sep 9, 2015, 07:54 PM

Sep 2015

I didn't blame anyone.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1187&pid=8394

I am very careful NOT to blame individual whites for their actions, unless they say or do something that is racist ... and even then, I rarely call them "racist"; but rather, point out what they said/did was racist (there is a difference) ... and that is because, for me, it is assumed that people in authority, i.e., cops, are acting within a racist system.

I don't expect anyone, that does not recognize (make efforts to recognize) their privilege, to act to do better/not play his/her role within this racist system. On the other hand, as naively, wishful as it may be, I do expect folks claiming liberal to attempt to do better.

That is why it is so hurtful when they don't.

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White people don't want to talk about it [View all] KamaAina Sep 2015 OP

KnR for visibility. nt tblue37 Sep 2015 #1

1 replies, 32 views unblock Sep 2015 #2

Kind of proves the point, doesn't it? KamaAina Sep 2015 #3

And there is this HassleCat Sep 2015 #4

Same here - we had one black family TBF Sep 2015 #19

While I agree with the story, it is from 1993 Travis_0004 Sep 2015 #5

He was, after all, "America's first black President" KamaAina Sep 2015 #6

Post removed Post removed Sep 2015 #14

Excuse me, what president "dealt drugs, murdered, vandalized the WH, and raped a woman?" cwydro Sep 2015 #18

that is some standard right wing fantasy Kali Sep 2015 #24

and one very confused Duer thought those slurs were against Obama- which says a lot about the cess bettyellen Sep 2015 #59

Well I am totally confused now. Kali Sep 2015 #273

DU is so bizarre these days- I was not sure myself it was sarcastic...... bettyellen Sep 2015 #275

Been here a year, and that's the hill he decided he's going to die on? Iggo Sep 2015 #37

She (eom) svpadgham Sep 2015 #78

Even so. Iggo Sep 2015 #101

Sarcasm? TeeYiYi Sep 2015 #26

I think two posts earlier ozone_man Sep 2015 #327

K&R Solly Mack Sep 2015 #7

Since I understood the nature of White Privilege, I am open to disucssion racism in America. Agnosticsherbet Sep 2015 #8

GOOD monicaangela Sep 2015 #56

It has been my experience that when it is talked about dumbcat Sep 2015 #9

+1000 noiretextatique Sep 2015 #89

I do not bother discussing it here any longer nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #10

The places where I can discuss these kinds of issues cheapdate Sep 2015 #278

I just got blocked from AA for defending myself nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #279

Funny. cheapdate Sep 2015 #280

Yup nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #281

I think all groups are echo chambers Skittles Sep 2015 #306

I think the photo group is less of that nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #308

oh but those CONTESTS Skittles Sep 2015 #309

And they never have a news contest... :-) nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #310

NICE!!! Skittles Sep 2015 #311

I agree Nadin. While this is a discussion we should have, there are those that rhett o rick Sep 2015 #403

Well at least we both know the discussion is happening nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #420

Lots of times it seems that the amount of talking that white liberals do about race relations Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #11

on DU bringing up any black person you really know in the real world treestar Sep 2015 #88

I think it's better to listen than to talk in this instance. Matariki Sep 2015 #12

Which isn't a discussion. kiva Sep 2015 #216

Exactly. n/t cheapdate Sep 2015 #282

Major over-generalizing based on a minister's religious deep-south white congregation? Hortensis Sep 2015 #13

Sandy Koufax and Hank Greenberg. Manifestor_of_Light Sep 2015 #15

I'm black, from Ca...and I think he is spot on noiretextatique Sep 2015 #93

Kickage! MrScorpio Sep 2015 #16

I generally try to keep my mouth shut about it Orrex Sep 2015 #17

+1 treestar Sep 2015 #85

I discuss it regularly in RL. On DU? Rarely if ever riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #20

All that's wanted is an echo chamber. Waiting For Everyman Sep 2015 #21

I think what you see as a "my way or the highway" mindset, or ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #28

Um, no, it's one-way whether I comment or not. Waiting For Everyman Sep 2015 #42

you don't see yourself as completely dismissing other people's experiences and concerns- as if they bettyellen Sep 2015 #68

I think I see what the problem is ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #84

And we wonder why this conversation always ends up in white people getting their feelings randys1 Sep 2015 #105

+1000...some people do not see this very common dynamic noiretextatique Sep 2015 #349

Everytime I hear the term "Identity politics" ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #355

your post is so very typical noiretextatique Sep 2015 #97

When I think of identity politics and the behavior of those who subscribe tymorial Sep 2015 #135

It often can be a shortcut to actual thought Facility Inspector Sep 2015 #157

Yes, Waiting For Everyman Sep 2015 #217

What motivation do whites have to end racism? LittleBlue Sep 2015 #22

well, as a white woman, I have learned from thr DU community recently notadmblnd Sep 2015 #23

It saddens me that you have "learned" that. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #30

It was made perfectly clear to me by more than one person notadmblnd Sep 2015 #49

I have my thoughts ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #91

You know-- one of the first things I was told notadmblnd Sep 2015 #100

He didn't say it was "nothing compared to . . ." He said it does not hold equal weight. gollygee Sep 2015 #113

I was married to my husband til the day he died notadmblnd Sep 2015 #121

Much love to you! gollygee Sep 2015 #124

You know this is part of the problem nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #125

I was confused about why she was talking in the present tense. gollygee Sep 2015 #126

That is ok, nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #130

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2015 #422

I hear you. qwlauren35 Sep 2015 #127

You do notadmblnd Sep 2015 #152

I feel you about that target thing. qwlauren35 Sep 2015 #226

Thank you. notadmblnd Sep 2015 #227

Post removed Post removed Sep 2015 #431

It is worst than that nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #435

No ... I have told you, you have no "right" to claim stuff that didn't happen ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #442

It happened nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #443

LOL ... But only YOU saw it. What does THAT tell you? n/t 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #450

Alas so did I nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #69

Sometimes it really IS about you and/or your approach ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #94

When you have more than just me telling you that we will not do it here nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #116

Who has called you ... a latina ... a white supremacist or a racist? ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #137

I was called that by a poster, if I do say who, it will be called a call out, so it is what it is nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #141

PM me the thread ... I've read just about every thread in the AA Group ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #144

Not in the AA group nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #150

It didn't happen. zappaman Sep 2015 #176

And the bully shows up to deny the experience of the viictim nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #180

Because it didn't happen. zappaman Sep 2015 #183

Here is the alert on one of the posts nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #185

I didn't see, anywhere, where anyone call her a white supremacist ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #262

You nailed it. Number23 Sep 2015 #270

When you are told repeteadly that it happened nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #284

No. But okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #353

This is part of the problem nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #367

No. But okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #370

I see. nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #372

No. But okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #390

No what? That you have not managed to create an echo chamber? nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #391

No. But okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #411

But you have, You won nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #412

By my count, that's the 16th goodbye ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #414

I am not leaving DU, that is your mistake nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #417

Good ... I'm pretty certain there are topics where your writings are relevant ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #424

Yeah, becuase as a Latina I have no clue either nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #427

One can tell how effect I am at preventing you from talking ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #433

Your intepretation here is the problem nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #434

Perhaps that should tell you ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #439

actually it is a waste of my time nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #440

So now you're making up definitions? zappaman Sep 2015 #446

OMG Kali Sep 2015 #451

24 Goodbyes ... Goodbyes ... Goodbyes ... n/t 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #448

you are descending into utter performance art Kali Sep 2015 #449

Here is the thread where the poster insists they were called a "white supremacist" zappaman Sep 2015 #181

And by the way, Zappaman, as a host shame on you, this is the kind of call out I avoid doing nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #191

I'm not a host, kiddo. zappaman Sep 2015 #192

But you have been, and you should know better nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #195

What personal attack? zappaman Sep 2015 #200

You know exactly what you are doing nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #202

You mean the post where you call me a child? zappaman Sep 2015 #207

Well since I do not post where you do, some might construe this nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #209

Uh huh. zappaman Sep 2015 #211

For you as well nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #214

Yes, you might want to read juror #1's response zappaman Sep 2015 #215

I gave you juror five I was called what I was called nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #218

Believe me, Nadin, it's clear enough what was going on there. Marr Sep 2015 #373

It is not a bug though, it is a feature nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #376

Have you seen where she was called a white supremacist or a racist? n/t 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #457

by the way response 1 is a classic bully nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #219

"Why the fixation? One might say it is clinical at this point." Kali Sep 2015 #319

Nope, just strange nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #320

So some kind of "clinical fixation" issue doesn't have anything to do with Kali Sep 2015 #323

Nope, but the fixation is odd nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #325

Not a very competent deflection, though the B and Gs are pretty. Kali Sep 2015 #329

Nah I just call him what he is, **a bully** nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #331

Apparently, the poster thinks its ok when they launch a personal attack zappaman Sep 2015 #379

Heh! But that's ... um ... different ... er ... somthing ... BULLIES!!!11!!! betsuni Sep 2015 #328

Am I going to add you that select list? Or is this just tonight? nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #332

Just for tonight? I don't know, at least buy me a drink first. betsuni Sep 2015 #334

Easy to remember nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #335

Thanks for now calling me mentally ill. zappaman Sep 2015 #374

I called you a bully, which you are nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #377

Don't worry, I wont alert on you for calling me mentally ill and other things. zappaman Sep 2015 #380

And ditto, your stalking and baiting reflects on you nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #381

Being called a bully by DU's biggest bully? zappaman Sep 2015 #384

Also the phrase treestar Sep 2015 #205

Who knew? zappaman Sep 2015 #208

For you, since I was not the only one to see it nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #210

I'm confused treestar Sep 2015 #224

Scarletwoman, she called me what she did nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #225

By the way, while I have utter contempt for those two posters nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #212

Every time I see the howls of "I Wuz called a crazy white supremacist" I crack up Number23 Sep 2015 #228

It's....odd. zappaman Sep 2015 #230

If anybody should be braying about this foolishness, it's me Number23 Sep 2015 #231

I guess some folks can't help zappaman Sep 2015 #232

It has not one thing with martyrdom nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #243

Until now I have not mentioned you by name nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #242

.... Number23 Sep 2015 #244

Thought so... with that back to my soft ignore of you nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #246

Couldn't care less if that ignore was 'hard' as a rock or 'soft' as cotton. As long as it's used Number23 Sep 2015 #247

Just do not expect me to forget at all what you did nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #248

Maybe we should make that soft ignore a hard one. Number23 Sep 2015 #251

And make sure that you can make fun, forget it nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #252

This message was self-deleted by its author nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #317

I don't see it tammywammy Sep 2015 #255

Who specifically has made it impossible to discuss here? randys1 Sep 2015 #138

You shan't get that call out nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #142

So nothing, several people I have asked for specifics in this thread, and still nothing. randys1 Sep 2015 #143

No, you don't have to be careful nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #145

Oh no, a white guy like me who is sickened with all the white supremacist racists randys1 Sep 2015 #146

Look I cover race, poverty and social justice issues nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #148

I dont know what this incident you refer to is. randys1 Sep 2015 #149

I think there are more PoC here than you think nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #165

Oh brother randys1 Sep 2015 #168

Thanks for the textbook example of another reason none can actually talk of this nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #170

YOu are the one who has REPEATEDLY told me a CERTAIN GROUP of POC are the problem randys1 Sep 2015 #171

We are talking two people nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #172

Ahh, so it is ME who is defining the problem with my attitude LOL randys1 Sep 2015 #175

nope I don't have attitude nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #179

How ironic. cheapdate Sep 2015 #283

And there are many more posts on that vein nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #290

Really? How so? n/t 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #352

It's ironic cheapdate Sep 2015 #363

Before calling your block "chickenshit", perhaps you might take a moment of self-reflection ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #368

Utter bullshit. cheapdate Sep 2015 #378

Defending oneself is stalking and agressive behavior nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #383

My low post count aside, cheapdate Sep 2015 #395

We are being silenced nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #397

Defending oneself from what? And don't say being called a white supremacist ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #413

Again, part of the problem, and why many of us nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #416

Okay. Then, I accept your goodbye and will enjoy the echo chamber ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #423

Well as a Jew I am a minority nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #425

AND, your a Latina ... don't forget about that! However, neither has any bearing ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #428

I was called what I was called nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #430

Your were called what you were called ; but, can't seem to post where ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #436

So yeah, do tell me I did not experinece what i did and what even jurors saw, I posted those. nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #437

You should just change your sig line to zappaman Sep 2015 #441

LOL ... Unsurprisingly ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #444

Given that I was told by more than one what they saw in PMs as well nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #445

Ahh ... the journalist "They said"! ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #453

Okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #392

Bravo! haikugal Sep 2015 #31

May I qualify this? nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #32

You learned that on DU? ismnotwasm Sep 2015 #33

Yes I did. notadmblnd Sep 2015 #50

what was your contribution to the discussion? noiretextatique Sep 2015 #99

You can do a search on my posts and read them. Many of them were last month notadmblnd Sep 2015 #110

why not just learn from the experience? noiretextatique Sep 2015 #184

well I guess- if one is of the thought that two wrongs make a right. notadmblnd Sep 2015 #206

I wish it was only race nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #221

I'm in total agreement with you there notadmblnd Sep 2015 #222

of course it is not: denial is the main benefit of privilege noiretextatique Sep 2015 #350

We're all guilty of denial notadmblnd Sep 2015 #405

^^^ Elsewhere, at times. Not here. nt Eleanors38 Sep 2015 #35

I wish everyone would read your post and reflect on it. TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2015 #43

100% agreement Blue_Adept Sep 2015 #45

As long as the discussion is based solely TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2015 #102

Thank you, you have more patience than I do. Waiting For Everyman Sep 2015 #46

No, I don't think it is strange at all that we see the same notadmblnd Sep 2015 #58

I am pretty certain 99% do. ieoeja Sep 2015 #81

Well they must have stood up after I dropped out notadmblnd Sep 2015 #90

You beat me to it. I discuss 840high Sep 2015 #55

You know what is telling? nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #64

Nadin - so right. I think 840high Sep 2015 #194

Yup, we all do nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #198

This message was self-deleted by its author jwirr Sep 2015 #72

Well said. That is what I thought the minute I read the jwirr Sep 2015 #72

This message was self-deleted by its author jwirr Sep 2015 #72

This message was self-deleted by its author jwirr Sep 2015 #77

THANK YOU Skittles Sep 2015 #106

Weird, I am white and have NEVER had that experience NOT ONCE with any POC in real life randys1 Sep 2015 #107

My experience exactly. WillowTree Sep 2015 #177

I am noticing a certain level of denial nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #182

I sincerely don't understand what you're saying to me there. WillowTree Sep 2015 #189

Sure read the posts from people who have created a very toxic environemnt nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #190

I hear you Skittles Sep 2015 #299

Identity politics has become extremely doctrinaire and dogmatic in the last ten to fifteen years. Monk06 Sep 2015 #250

I wasn't aware there was a term for it, but I definitely see it here. notadmblnd Sep 2015 #254

I saw all this unfolding 25 years ago studying art and social theory at university. Since then Monk06 Sep 2015 #256

It used to be a thing in academic writing nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #257

Authoritarians run the length and breadth of ideology, left and right. haikugal Sep 2015 #314

"a secular version of original sin" ^Spot on post!^ Waiting For Everyman Sep 2015 #337

ROGER THAT Facility Inspector Sep 2015 #382

That whole "identity politics" philosophy is absolutely empty. Waiting For Everyman Sep 2015 #447

I would like to quality this nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #454

It's already been said that our silence means we don't care. Waiting For Everyman Sep 2015 #458

and that hooha is still ongoing nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #460

Very telling! I guess they don't care. Waiting For Everyman Sep 2015 #466

This whole week has been Alice in Wonderland nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #469

Too busy pointing fingers to notice, I guess. Waiting For Everyman Sep 2015 #472

Yup nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #473

I could not agree more. /nt Marr Sep 2015 #474

HATE is really the 4 letter bad word. We must have a discussion about hate, that's where all these Dont call me Shirley Sep 2015 #25

Whites are 1-3% Neanderthal ErikJ Sep 2015 #27

White skin evolved long after Neanderthals were extinct as a species Fumesucker Sep 2015 #38

New scientific studies are showing that Neaderthals never went extinct. BlueCaliDem Sep 2015 #61

Personally I'm proud of my Neanderthal heritage Fumesucker Sep 2015 #69

I suspect that 'race' as we know it will disappear as well in time. It's artificial at best. haikugal Sep 2015 #204

That first article was very widely misreported Xithras Sep 2015 #67

Evidently Americans are also dependent on a fish diet Fumesucker Sep 2015 #79

In modern society, it has more to do with the trading structures we've set up over the last 2k years Xithras Sep 2015 #95

Also, to assume that African peoples didn't undergo pigment changes over millennia is a stretch. Freelancer Sep 2015 #344

Why would it? ShrimpPoboy Sep 2015 #66

Neanderthals probably became afraid ErikJ Sep 2015 #87

Genetically xenophobic? ShrimpPoboy Sep 2015 #96

This message was self-deleted by its author psychmommy Sep 2015 #69

First off, an answer to the question: No. Scootaloo Sep 2015 #387

Oh, my god... Marr Sep 2015 #475

lol! This is from the latest scientific research not 19th century phrenology or palmistry etc. ErikJ Sep 2015 #477

I was actually aware of the science on that point. Marr Sep 2015 #490

I wonder if that has any effect on race relations. AlbertCat Sep 2015 #495

It hardly ever ends well. aikoaiko Sep 2015 #29

Nobody likes to admit they're doing something wrong Warpy Sep 2015 #34

Whites need to do more than talk. They need to pay up. Texas Blues Sep 2015 #36

1492 eh? Lurker Deluxe Sep 2015 #47

What do you think would be a fair price? bvar22 Sep 2015 #54

Great question. Let me quantify some real figures and actions. Texas Blues Sep 2015 #406

One by one: bvar22 Sep 2015 #432

So which part of me should pay up? padfun Sep 2015 #62

How to talk? notadmblnd Sep 2015 #86

I'll start the ball rolling by sending $100 to Clarence Thomas (nt) Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #92

You hit a nerve, asking white people to pay up just pisses off some white people. randys1 Sep 2015 #108

Should every African-American just get a check? XemaSab Sep 2015 #118

It just drives some folks crazy... randys1 Sep 2015 #119

Someone who got off the plane from Nigeria yesterday is not African American KamaAina Sep 2015 #169

but Lurker Deluxe Sep 2015 #173

The idea behind reparations is to make up for the damage caused by slavery. KamaAina Sep 2015 #174

so Lurker Deluxe Sep 2015 #188

The US made a lot of money off slavery gollygee Sep 2015 #234

BS 840high Sep 2015 #197

And again randys1 Sep 2015 #199

So let's put a price on it then. How much would you be willing to pay, personally? Avalux Sep 2015 #140

Not practically possible treestar Sep 2015 #220

We whites have been discriminating against non-whites since 1492, and it is far worse today. AlbertCat Sep 2015 #496

I know white people who believe Demobrat Sep 2015 #39

Oh for fuck sake is that a bunch of god damn BULLSHIT randys1 Sep 2015 #120

Thanks for making my point for me. Demobrat Sep 2015 #132

Just infuriating...I am so embarrassed sometimes. randys1 Sep 2015 #134

Your experience is different from mine Demobrat Sep 2015 #136

Why would you be embarassed? Facility Inspector Sep 2015 #151

Bait someone else. I am more embarrassed now than I have ever been here. randys1 Sep 2015 #153

It's just the internets Facility Inspector Sep 2015 #156

I would change that last sentence to read. WHEN CRABS ROAR Sep 2015 #40

I agree. Many don't. lovemydog Sep 2015 #41

I'm a white male and i talk about race relations just fine retrowire Sep 2015 #44

Why discuss? It's a total waste of time FLPanhandle Sep 2015 #48

...^ that 840high Sep 2015 #57

I (and others) don't usually talk about it because we understand it and we "Get it" BlueJazz Sep 2015 #51

In my humble opinion, monicaangela Sep 2015 #52

Or they don't like being painted as ignorant racists upon any disagreement. Throd Sep 2015 #53

Disagreement? Examples? You disagreed and were called an ignorant racist? randys1 Sep 2015 #109

You are Exhibit A of why civil discussions about race don't happen often on DU. Throd Sep 2015 #128

This message was self-deleted by its author randys1 Sep 2015 #129

I wont respond, i dont want to be silenced, i am outnumbered by those randys1 Sep 2015 #131

And so goes the discussion .... dumbcat Sep 2015 #161

Yes, any response that might make certain white folk uncomfortable, dis verboten randys1 Sep 2015 #167

It might make you uncomfortable 840high Sep 2015 #201

It makes this white person ILL to listen to certain white folks randys1 Sep 2015 #203

that isn't true treestar Sep 2015 #213

Sure. cheapdate Sep 2015 #288

Did you use ARJIS? nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #292

Wow! I've looked for something like that. Thanks. cheapdate Sep 2015 #294

If you want to look at the actual data nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #295

Why do you believe they would call someone and "ignorant" racist, and not just say your opinions monicaangela Sep 2015 #365

I'm a white people and I don't mind talking about it tularetom Sep 2015 #60

It's not easy to be PC libodem Sep 2015 #63

White people don't want to talk about it XemaSab Sep 2015 #65

Interesting ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #112

Why do you think the dropout rate for black males is so high? XemaSab Sep 2015 #147

I think if you go down your list ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #196

I'd say that most of it is indirect at best XemaSab Sep 2015 #229

Wow...dont know where to begin...200 years of racism, Jim Crow, redlining, oppression randys1 Sep 2015 #114

While true... joshcryer Sep 2015 #351

Why would you post an article from May of 1993? oberliner Sep 2015 #80

Because I forgot to check the date? KamaAina Sep 2015 #83

Fair enough oberliner Sep 2015 #133

If only. KamaAina Sep 2015 #139

Grapple with? treestar Sep 2015 #82

It's a losing proposition. Jester Messiah Sep 2015 #98

Uh-oh. Sounds like someone needs to go and check their privilege. Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #103

Oh jeez, I know I have it around here somewhere...! Jester Messiah Sep 2015 #357

Oh my god, where am I...this cant be...it cant be randys1 Sep 2015 #115

Sure it can. KamaAina Sep 2015 #122

Some of the GARBAGE I am seeing on this thread just confirms what i know about randys1 Sep 2015 #123

Go ahead and say it. What do you know about many white people? aikoaiko Sep 2015 #261

maybe they get tired of being accused Skittles Sep 2015 #104

Wait, WHITE people are tired of being stereotyped? is THAT what you meant? randys1 Sep 2015 #117

I think you are doing a terrific job of giving examples of why it is useless to discuss race here Egnever Sep 2015 #313

Correct nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #318

No room for honesty? What exactly are you not saying that you want to say? randys1 Sep 2015 #371

You would be funny if you weren't so sad Egnever Sep 2015 #386

Why cant you give me examples? randys1 Sep 2015 #404

Yes indeed it is. betsuni Sep 2015 #364

Seems like white people should do more listening than talking. Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #111

So, in other words, forget discussion. FLPanhandle Sep 2015 #158

I don't feel lectured to when I'm listening in a discussion. Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #159

Do you know the definition of "discussion"? FLPanhandle Sep 2015 #162

excellent response Skittles Sep 2015 #163

Well, you replied to me. I replied back. Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #166

"you replied to me. I replied back" FLPanhandle Sep 2015 #235

Probably very interested. I listen in discussions all the time, where people have told me my role Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #236

"Anyone has the choice to participate in a discussion in any way they see fit" FLPanhandle Sep 2015 #237

No, I'm saying you get out what you put in. nt. Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #238

Which goes for everyone regardless of race. nt. FLPanhandle Sep 2015 #240

The irony here is killing me! It's just too perfect! cheapdate Sep 2015 #291

Why? Are you literally facing the threat of a cop killing you for being Black? Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #293

No. The irony of your particular comments cheapdate Sep 2015 #296

I invited listening to Black people, to white people on this thread. Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #297

Yep. As expected the irony is totally lost on you. cheapdate Sep 2015 #301

Um, no, I read what you wrote on this thread. Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #302

I mentioned ONE other group, besides yours, by name. cheapdate Sep 2015 #304

Unless #57 is your twin, than no: Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #305

Silly me. You were counting your own group too. cheapdate Sep 2015 #312

You mentioned HOF and AA blocking you in your reply to the OP. Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #315

No. You are my source of entertainment. cheapdate Sep 2015 #316

LOL. I love all of these people sliding into my replies and telling me to talk to the hand. Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #321

Wow. What a refreshingly petty attitude. cheapdate Sep 2015 #330

The pendulum swings both ways notadmblnd Sep 2015 #258

I don't agree. nt. Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #259

then one can only conclude- honest discussion and a solution to the problem is not the agenda notadmblnd Sep 2015 #265

Sounds like that's best for all at this point. Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #267

I feel certain that as a fellow white woman here- you know what is best. notadmblnd Sep 2015 #269

People on DU aren't listening to the Black people. They are leaving or getting suspended. Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #271

I disagree, you are not getting what you want out of this notadmblnd Sep 2015 #272

You can quit replying to me at any time. Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #274

you sound like a two-year old Skittles Sep 2015 #286

You are a disappointment. Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #289

LOLOL Skittles Sep 2015 #298

*Yawn* Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #300

YAWN is exactly right Skittles Sep 2015 #303

Sleep it off Skittles! Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #307

Actually she is correct nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #322

I have plenty of serious conversations here. Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #324

Am I the only one who's blood LITERALLY runs cold at the thought of some of these "race discussions" Number23 Sep 2015 #336

This message was self-deleted by its author nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #338

With every unwanted and most importantly, unread post to me you do NOTHING but beautifully Number23 Sep 2015 #339

This message was self-deleted by its author nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #340

No, you're not the only one. A creepy Halloween feeling in September. nt betsuni Sep 2015 #341

LOL Good God, I could only imagine what some of these "conversations" must be like Number23 Sep 2015 #342

Can't turn around in this place without coming across another martyr. betsuni Sep 2015 #345

No, the thought scares me too! Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #362

But I'll tell you ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #459

It's like those all-male committees on contraception in Congress. Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #484

And, I'd bet my next 6 paychecks that ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #487

"More talking and less listening" doesn't mean no discussion gollygee Sep 2015 #186

Exactly. zappaman Sep 2015 #239

+1 Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #241

that's true, then OTOH treestar Sep 2015 #223

You would do well to heed your own advice� TeeYiYi Sep 2015 #260

I was given the role of host by other hosts in the AA forum, who are Black DUers. Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #263

I didn't realize you were a host in the AA group! KamaAina Sep 2015 #408

It was an honor to be asked, thank you. Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #409

Who's "making threats of banishment in the AA group"? KamaAina Sep 2015 #393

Follow the link I provided. ..nt TeeYiYi Sep 2015 #407

Yup,and bravo nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #399

Are only people of color supposed to have responded to this OP. aikoaiko Sep 2015 #264

Obviously. Jester Messiah Sep 2015 #356

I know I am not going to talk of this issue on DU. nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #375

My parents explained it to me like this libodem Sep 2015 #369

The number 1 reason no one should vote for Clinton or Sanders Township75 Sep 2015 #154

I'm afraid I don't know what you mean by this gollygee Sep 2015 #187

I don't and ohheckyeah Sep 2015 #155

Gee, I wonder why dumbcat Sep 2015 #160

As an old white man, I'm not at all reluctant to talk about race tech3149 Sep 2015 #164

I tend to do more listening than talking. Jamastiene Sep 2015 #178

That is a great approach ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #266

I'll point this out again that you like the above response because it doesn't express an opinion aikoaiko Sep 2015 #287

At the risk of stepping on a few toes nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #193

K&R and alot of the responses do absolutely nothing but prove the accuracy of this OP Number23 Sep 2015 #233

What would you like to see? Matariki Sep 2015 #245

Alot less victimization from non-victims. Number23 Sep 2015 #249

Or, any non-snarky question, for that matter ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #268

Sadly for too many "more listening, less speaking" means don't talk until you agree. aikoaiko Sep 2015 #285

Before I answer, please answer this ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #354

To answer your question... aikoaiko Sep 2015 #359

No. Not in terms of equivalency or identical or similarities that matter. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #360

Does that mean you can't understand the white person's experience & refrain from commenting on it? aikoaiko Sep 2015 #361

Wait, this is the height or irony nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #385

No ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #388

The admixture of Facility Inspector Sep 2015 #398

Interesting ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #410

I think your data is suspect. zappaman Sep 2015 #419

Or, at a minimal ... Off-putting ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #429

If Hawking or Krugman came on to this discussion board and posted topics, yes, I... aikoaiko Sep 2015 #426

Professor Reich does it often on Facebook nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #438

Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #461

Are you familiar with Alan Johnson and his videos that MrScorpio posted recently? aikoaiko Sep 2015 #476

Actually ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #480

Ok I think I've taken up too much of your time aikoaiko Sep 2015 #483

Do you expect Stephen Hawking to entertain your sophomoric understanding of physics, as equivalent, saturnsring Sep 2015 #456

Well ... perhaps ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #481

Most everyone is a victim of something, to one degree or another, depending on perspective. Jester Messiah Sep 2015 #358

You have to give consent to be a victim Facility Inspector Sep 2015 #394

Yup nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #401

Amen brother. Keep your head up! [nt] Jester Messiah Sep 2015 #402

you are absolutely right, one has to give consent in order to be a victim notadmblnd Sep 2015 #415

For the life of me, I have no idea what this bizarre post has to do with anything being discussed Number23 Sep 2015 #465

I think you are responding to the wrong person Facility Inspector Sep 2015 #467

That's the whole bleeding point. This OP is about white people being uncomfortable talking about Number23 Sep 2015 #468

You do realize there are more than two things in the universe? Facility Inspector Sep 2015 #470

Makes every bit as much sense as your other post. Number23 Sep 2015 #471

I'd love to hear you speak on how white people are "victims" of institutionalized racism? Number23 Sep 2015 #462

And the other discussion in this thread is someone crying that someone ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #478

This whole thread needs to be pinned to the top of this forum. NOTHING could explain the dearth Number23 Sep 2015 #479

And you still deny another person's experience nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #482

I don't see anyone denying your experience. kwassa Sep 2015 #485

We are not even talking about that nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #486

I think this is the disconnect. kwassa Sep 2015 #491

Again, not talking of what you want to talk nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #492

The Long Goodbye part was particularly funny! nt betsuni Sep 2015 #493

Good article, excellent post, KamaAina - thank you. raven mad Sep 2015 #253

I'm white, I'll talk about it. cheapdate Sep 2015 #276

Just finished reading this whole thread plus the add ons, then went to link to read the entire AuntPatsy Sep 2015 #277

White people don't/didn't, anyway, elleng Sep 2015 #326

That brings me to sometihng that requires a PM nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #333

All I am going to say is that some folks want an echo chamber nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #343

What should be of concern JustAnotherGen Sep 2015 #346

True true nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #347

What I've encountered when trying to engage about race on DU has been really saddening and jarring. Freelancer Sep 2015 #348

This message was self-deleted by its author SouthernProgressive Sep 2015 #366

Looking at this thread, it seems to me like the same people Marr Sep 2015 #389

It is a DU thing nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #396

It's plain arrogant Facility Inspector Sep 2015 #400

I'm white, I have no problems talking about race. I suspect whites are uncomfortable because... apnu Sep 2015 #418

My ex-boss is of Portuguese ancestry. KamaAina Sep 2015 #421

Interesting Read... onpatrol98 Sep 2015 #494

Holy crap. Reading through this you'd think white people are living under apartheid rule. WhollyHeretic Sep 2015 #452

Tell me about it. KamaAina Sep 2015 #455

You ain't lying. And as I said upthread, doing absolutely NOTHING but proving the point of this OP Number23 Sep 2015 #463

I'm not seeing the comparison at all XemaSab Sep 2015 #464

Perfectly stated. Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #489

Especially sad to see on a liberal board. AlbertCat Sep 2015 #497