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jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
10. Certain aspects of it remain
Thu Sep 10, 2015, 02:37 PM
Sep 2015

A Supreme Court decision is a bundle of things. Obviously, the part of the Dred Scott decision dealing with the direct question of the Fugitive Slave Act was rendered inoperative by the Reconstruction Amendments to the Constitution.

The birthright citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment overturned the Dred Scott decision insofar as a person born in the United States could be denied the privileges and immunities of any state, upon taking up residence in another state. However, the Dred Scott decision did establish that persons (otherwise recognized as citizens) are citizens of the their state of residence, and that no state can grant "state citizenship" to a person who is not otherwise a US citizen.

That "Dred Scott is still good law" is one of those inane "fun facts to impress your friends" which is pointed out to law students when the case comes up in con law class.

If, for example, you live in New York and you drive to Connecticut, the state of Connecticut can't take your car away from you, on the ground that your car is not registered to you in Connecticut. Your car is titled to you in New York, and Connecticut is bound by the Constitution to recognize your New York registration, provided you have not left New York permanently and taken up residence in Connecticut (most states provide a grace period for re-registration of your car when you move).

What the Reconstruction Amendments did to Dred Scott was to prevent its application to the ownership of PEOPLE, and ended the non-recognition of rights of citizenship, by any state, to people who were born into a condition of servitude in the US.

One of the other points at issue was whether a person who was not recognized as a citizen either by their former state or by the United States, could become a US citizen by moving to a state which would recognize that person as a citizen. The answer at that time was "no", and it remains "no". Of course, in the context of that case, the reason why the person was not recognized as a citizen by their state of origin or the US, was because he was born a slave in a slave state. Hence, not having been a citizen of the US, he did not become one by moving to another state. That, of course, no longer applies to persons born in the US. But the general principle, of course, still applies that only US law can determine whether someone is a citizen of the US or a citizen of the state in which they reside. For example, a state cannot recognize an undocumented immigrant as a citizen of that state, if the US does not recognize that person as a citizen.

That said, the statement by Huckabee is breathtakingly stupid in its context here. The general principle of Dred Scott - that US law determines citizenship and that state citizenship is determined by residence - is thoroughly mundane, and thoroughly irrelevant to anything going on in the Kentucky marriage license follies.

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It would seem there are quite a few supreme court decisions and constitutional amendments Mass Sep 2015 #1
Was he homeschooled? Gad! n/t haikugal Sep 2015 #2
Worse than that - he was church schooled. I cannot jwirr Sep 2015 #12
*riiiing* *riiiinnnnggg* Hong Kong Cavalier Sep 2015 #3
Every history teacher in the country shenmue Sep 2015 #9
At the very least, Huck's did. louis-t Sep 2015 #14
Maybe, maybe not. Either way, the closet is a psychologically damaging thing. closeupready Sep 2015 #4
clarify for me please Huckabee=gay man? irisblue Sep 2015 #6
How does one miss that slavery is no longer the law of the land in the US? merrily Sep 2015 #5
Nobody can be this dumb and still have hifiguy Sep 2015 #7
I don't even have a well-functioning autonomic nervous system but I'm still way LiberalLoner Sep 2015 #13
I never cease to be amazed by these people. mmonk Sep 2015 #8
It's just not amazing anymore with them... freebrew Sep 2015 #25
When I was a child and had just learned that a classmate's parents were Republicans I said EWWWW - LiberalElite Sep 2015 #38
Certain aspects of it remain jberryhill Sep 2015 #10
Interesting. Calista241 Sep 2015 #43
Not According to Westlaw Stallion Sep 2015 #11
I thought that the racists were on Donald Trump’s side. Initech Sep 2015 #15
There's an embarrassment of riches klook Sep 2015 #22
Even though that is a horribly inaccurate statement, what does it have to do with Kim Davis? Rex Sep 2015 #16
I think the idea is that unjust laws ought not to be followed? oberliner Sep 2015 #37
Fuckabee is a really stupid man malaise Sep 2015 #17
Straight from Barton mercuryblues Sep 2015 #18
Translation: if elected, Huckster promises to send runaway darkies home to massah! struggle4progress Sep 2015 #19
No Suckabee, the 14th amendment trumps the Scott decision. roamer65 Sep 2015 #20
This is what the right calls an intellectual Major Nikon Sep 2015 #21
See what happens when you don't understand history or the goverment. sinkingfeeling Sep 2015 #23
makes total sense lykemike Sep 2015 #24
Join the group, as a woman I am not capable of making my own decisions, according to the GOP LynneSin Sep 2015 #32
Thank goodness that man has no chance of ever MineralMan Sep 2015 #26
Ironic. He probably has a greater chance here than almost anywhere else, and could jtuck004 Sep 2015 #40
Sure, the 14th Amendment supersedes it, but Republicans think the 14th Amendment is unconstitutional tclambert Sep 2015 #27
Stephen Colbert had a word for how conservatives choose to interpret the Constitution LastLiberal in PalmSprings Sep 2015 #30
Huckabee chose inappropriate caselaw. no_hypocrisy Sep 2015 #28
huckabee seems to be misinformed about everything. samsingh Sep 2015 #29
THIS, is why Mike Huckabee isn't even qualified to be President of his local homeowner association LynneSin Sep 2015 #31
once more Micky proves he has no mind Angry Dragon Sep 2015 #33
huckabee isn't worth the hate he riles up in me. spanone Sep 2015 #34
Ted Cruz allegedly graduated from some third-rate podunk law school. (Joking about third-rate, etc. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #35
The constitution just doesn't exist to these people IronLionZion Sep 2015 #36
Huckabee is not a segregationist as I claimed on a similar thread. gordianot Sep 2015 #39
I see, so people being property is just a question of selective enforcement.... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2015 #41
I am trying to remember PATRICK Sep 2015 #42
Oh so you support your activist judges, Mike. Judges are arbiters of law, not Lawmakers, that's Dont call me Shirley Sep 2015 #44
What.An.Ass. Lifelong Protester Sep 2015 #45
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