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ellisonz

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29. I don't know who sent that crap.

Fri Sep 11, 2015, 02:39 AM

Sep 2015

I also don't know if they will ever be found somehow.

Having experienced two primaries before, I think it's fair to say the division of DU into disproportionate camps has made this one far more toxic than past campaigns. Some of that is due to the issues, but a lot of it is due to a lack of moderation. The jury system just doesn't replace what DU1 and DU2 were like in moderation, it's devolved responsibility and the result is both positive and negative. DUers have more involvement, but they know that they can beat the odds.

If there's one real takeaway it's that whomever did this knew they could exploit tensions on DU. It's pure maliciousness rather than vigorous debate. I'm with Clinton, but I have personal respect for Sanders. That should be the DU standard.

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It's perfectly clear that the ass who wrote those horrible letters to Bravenak has lost... [View all] MrScorpio Sep 2015 OP

I'm just finding ohheckyeah Sep 2015 #1

I have no idea where the letters came from... TDale313 Sep 2015 #2

Did you read the letter? I read it and I didn't immediately get that reaction. MrScorpio Sep 2015 #6

To quote myself... "Never underestimate the persistence of bored sociopaths" Scootaloo Sep 2015 #18

I did read it. TDale313 Sep 2015 #19

Perhaps consider that was their intent all along? Juicy_Bellows Sep 2015 #26

I'm taking the letter writer at their word... MrScorpio Sep 2015 #30

Why, pray tell, take the letter writer at their word? Juicy_Bellows Sep 2015 #33

I think that they're actively engaging in the kind of in-fighting that been done before MrScorpio Sep 2015 #37

I agree but the reason(s) why they would do that are numerous. Juicy_Bellows Sep 2015 #39

I know the goat fuckers MrScorpio Sep 2015 #97

"I know the goat fuckers" steve2470 Sep 2015 #105

Reminds me of a joke. lovemydog Sep 2015 #178

Fair enough. Juicy_Bellows Sep 2015 #119

As long as I don't bleat, I don't sweat them� MrScorpio Sep 2015 #120

I still remember the original Obama in-fighting here, and I was just a lurker then. raven mad Sep 2015 #110

Because the nonsense started JustAnotherGen Sep 2015 #68

Wow! This is the first time I have seen it. smirkymonkey Sep 2015 #91

Why would anyone take such a crazy jackass "at their word"? They are anonymous. lostnfound Sep 2015 #102

The letter was written in order to get a specific point across to the target, Bravenak� MrScorpio Sep 2015 #106

I hope she's conversing with the Admins here polly7 Sep 2015 #108

That's pure speculation on your part. Marr Sep 2015 #143

I remember the backword "B" girl notadmblnd Sep 2015 #145

I also support Bravenak and think what the person did was terrible davidpdx Sep 2015 #71

I agree, MrScorpio.. you are absolutely right.. this is internal shite.. that letter was way too Cha Sep 2015 #89

I believe you far underestimate .. bvar22 Sep 2015 #133

If this were a false flag scheme there would be clues to show it is� MrScorpio Sep 2015 #139

How on earth do you figure that? Marr Sep 2015 #144

I'm a trained observer� MrScorpio Sep 2015 #146

Confident speculation is still just speculation. Marr Sep 2015 #151

When was that made a rule.... bvar22 Sep 2015 #150

Well, Mr. Scorpio did not absolutely state Chitown Kev Sep 2015 #9

absolutely true. n/t TDale313 Sep 2015 #22

Inasmuch as I've read Chitown Kev Sep 2015 #3

Hey Chitown. sheshe2 Sep 2015 #11

Yes, I am very familiar Chitown Kev Sep 2015 #16

I don't do DK. sheshe2 Sep 2015 #27

The bat signal is not limited to your friends nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #34

Bingo, Cuz nt MrScorpio Sep 2015 #17

I get topic-overload around here sometimes, but there can't be enough threads supporting Bravenak. NBachers Sep 2015 #4

+!!!!!!!!! I agree, NBachers.. there can't be enough threads to support Brave Cha Sep 2015 #90

And I am not totally convinced it is somebody from here nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #5

I should add that in my conversation with her on Twitter today... MrScorpio Sep 2015 #12

I understand. nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #15

One thing to remember d_r Sep 2015 #55

This^^^^ n/t ms liberty Sep 2015 #67

Yes. Anybody can sign up on DU. yardwork Sep 2015 #69

This is all true Dorian Gray Sep 2015 #66

Or just a poster pretending to be a Bernie supporter nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #121

You should also remember... OilemFirchen Sep 2015 #112

Hey look you could be describing me nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #123

I'm going to go out on a limb here and assure you and everyone else that you're not a suspect MrScorpio Sep 2015 #141

Thanks... still pocking nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #142

Here's something I found out on Andy Stephenson for those who don't remember. Cleita Sep 2015 #147

And most of the people who were here during that have since left nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #148

Yeah, I'm glad no CTs have blown up. joshcryer Sep 2015 #7

i think it's someone who may have had problems with race issues even before Sanders JI7 Sep 2015 #8

I read many of them. sheshe2 Sep 2015 #13

yeah, the reason i don't think it's just some fanatic sanders supporter JI7 Sep 2015 #23

Excellent reasoning� nt MrScorpio Sep 2015 #14

Bravenak is absolutely as sweet as pie, and didn't deserve hate mail sent to her house. Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #10

wrong grasswire Sep 2015 #20

I've mentioned this before and it's based on my conversation with her... MrScorpio Sep 2015 #25

It very well could be a *member* of DU, but not really a *DU'er*... Ghost in the Machine Sep 2015 #43

there are loads of "respected" DUers that slam every Dem out there as well as BLM and post RW CTs... bettyellen Sep 2015 #122

I thought the same thing. No reason it can't be both. kcr Sep 2015 #107

Agree. I stand with bravenak too. lovemydog Sep 2015 #21

I would have thought that 800 years would be ample time to gain an understaing of a simple concept. OilemFirchen Sep 2015 #113

I'm introducing Occam's Twin Blade Razor� lovemydog Sep 2015 #132

I've long spoken of my Occam Strop.... OilemFirchen Sep 2015 #134

I'll try the Occam Strop lovemydog Sep 2015 #138

yes, the idiot stalker lost, Bravenak WON long-term steve2470 Sep 2015 #24

I loathe this kind of thing. Going into someone in the real world and affecting them roguevalley Sep 2015 #28

I don't know who sent that crap. ellisonz Sep 2015 #29

I don't feel comfortable expressing support for any of the primary candidates MrScorpio Sep 2015 #31

Sir, you are very deliberative! ellisonz Sep 2015 #48

I never felt that moderation was any more fair than the jury system Fumesucker Sep 2015 #56

Those guys were in it for the long-con. ellisonz Sep 2015 #59

I can't recall if OMC was booted before or after the jury system Fumesucker Sep 2015 #60

Lozocolo was booted for threatening to lock good threads if he didn't get his way.... Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2015 #101

You're no spring chicken either. ellisonz Sep 2015 #118

He finally was booted when he crossed nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #125

What a run those guys had... whatchamacallit Sep 2015 #129

We will vote, for whom it's our business. nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #124

... ellisonz Sep 2015 #126

And... As media we do not take sides. nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #128

Considering she's on a timeout because a bunch of alerters and jury members pnwmom Sep 2015 #32

This message was self-deleted by its author jfern Sep 2015 #35

"Considering she's on a timeout because a bunch of alerters and jury members were offended Cha Sep 2015 #92

Is the letter posted? Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2015 #36

Check this out. MrScorpio Sep 2015 #40

Someone is obviously taking this place WAY too seriously. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2015 #51

Here: Suich Sep 2015 #46

A song comes to mind.... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2015 #52

If this is not a RW troll deutsey Sep 2015 #76

+ a million. polly7 Sep 2015 #80

I agree completely ismnotwasm Sep 2015 #38

Beneath contempt Generic Other Sep 2015 #41

A point I have to disagree with JustAnotherGen Sep 2015 #57

It seems clear to me that outspoken DUers and AA DUers are being targeted Generic Other Sep 2015 #111

Note that the initial thread in the AA group geek tragedy Sep 2015 #42

Exactly.. those trying to pin this on an outsider aren't fooling anyone. Cha Sep 2015 #95

The problem is that anyone can sign up to DU Generic Other Sep 2015 #116

My thoughts exactly. Rex Sep 2015 #135

Hoping Bravenak is well and a suggestion one that I will also bring to AtA azurnoir Sep 2015 #44

I stand with Mr.Scropio and Bravenak yuiyoshida Sep 2015 #45

I'm inclined to believe that the culprit is whoever best advances my political agenda. mhatrw Sep 2015 #47

There are two separate matters here - one is everything, the other is minor. Mister Ed Sep 2015 #49

Just found out that Bravenak got threatening letters, that is so appalling. akbacchus_BC Sep 2015 #50

I stand with Bravenak stonecutter357 Sep 2015 #53

Thank you, MrScorpio, for saying this on behalf of all of us... Surya Gayatri Sep 2015 #54

I have a question about something you said in your OP CreekDog Sep 2015 #58

The letter is having it's intended effect. Jappleseed Sep 2015 #61

I'm standing with Bravenak nt MrScorpio Sep 2015 #62

And you are implying I do not? Jappleseed Sep 2015 #65

why the devisive comment? azureblue Sep 2015 #156

I followed some of this azureblue Sep 2015 #158

It seems printed in a way that facilitates being posted somewhere, HereSince1628 Sep 2015 #85

K&R BumRushDaShow Sep 2015 #63

I Stand With Bravenak! malaise Sep 2015 #64

What happened, and what evidently continues to happen, is terrible, but is no reason to djean111 Sep 2015 #70

I agree. Recently a very long time rather well known DUer drudged up a post of mine from 4 years ago PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #72

Wow.. I'm having an similar experience.. BS supporters are linking my posts from 2008 against Cha Sep 2015 #96

It's creepy. Do they keep spreadsheets on the posters they dislike? PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #98

Any chance to make it personal and try to embarass their target when they're really only Cha Sep 2015 #100

I'm one of those people, and I posted your own words, not to make a point about Sanders DisgustipatedinCA Sep 2015 #168

You only had that experience once? nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #127

No matter who LWolf Sep 2015 #73

I'm pretty positive it wasn't a hillary supporter... Come on that is conspiracy kooky bs. boston bean Sep 2015 #74

Well, there is RightWingNeanderthalDwellingPlace.com. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2015 #75

The letters and sender are despicable and repulsive no matter who they are. aikoaiko Sep 2015 #77

a pathetic and cowardly troll, whether right wing or not fishwax Sep 2015 #78

Confession might be good for the soul Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2015 #79

I seriously doubt that soul-searching will be their highest preference MrScorpio Sep 2015 #81

Are you sure about this point you are making? boston bean Sep 2015 #82

Well, SOME Bernie supporters, not all... MrScorpio Sep 2015 #83

This: Utopian Leftist Sep 2015 #157

DU rec... SidDithers Sep 2015 #84

we have NO IDEA who this person is, NONE. CTyankee Sep 2015 #86

Agree totally. No assumption is supported, or warranted. Hortensis Sep 2015 #93

Trust me, I firmly believe that focusing on those misanthropic, RW goat fuckers is a waste of time MrScorpio Sep 2015 #87

I stand with Bravenak Gothmog Sep 2015 #88

I stand with bravenak. greatauntoftriplets Sep 2015 #94

I stand with Bravenak. octoberlib Sep 2015 #99

Very well said. I too think was from an active DU'er emulatorloo Sep 2015 #103

+1 gollygee Sep 2015 #104

I stand, as always, with braveinak. raven mad Sep 2015 #109

Anyone remember the 2004 Bin Laden "letter to america"? lumberjack_jeff Sep 2015 #114

Most of the time when something quacks, waddles and swims, you know, it's a duck� MrScorpio Sep 2015 #117

I stand with Bravenak Lisa D Sep 2015 #115

I stand with bravenak! Cali_Democrat Sep 2015 #130

Whoever wrote that letter is not cool. JEB Sep 2015 #131

I think it could have been someone from over at our evil step sister's place notadmblnd Sep 2015 #136

To be sure, our goat-diddling friends have already been assessed nt MrScorpio Sep 2015 #140

K&R awoke_in_2003 Sep 2015 #137

I don't understand the urge to silence anyone's voice. stage left Sep 2015 #149

This message was self-deleted by its author Freelancer Sep 2015 #153

So you're the victim, because you went into a safe haven forum and inveighed against a member� MrScorpio Sep 2015 #160

This message was self-deleted by its author Freelancer Sep 2015 #164

Speaking as a host for that group, banning you would be a decision that I agree with. kwassa Sep 2015 #165

This message was self-deleted by its author Freelancer Sep 2015 #166

Just be aware of what forum or groups "latest threads" takes you to. kwassa Sep 2015 #169

This message was self-deleted by its author Freelancer Sep 2015 #171

I'm with you Freelancer vkkv Sep 2015 #179

This message was self-deleted by its author Freelancer Sep 2015 #184

""" though nowhere on DU are anti-Democratic beliefs tolerated. "" vkkv Sep 2015 #180

I believe that everyone should have the right to speak. stage left Sep 2015 #185

Whoever sent them is an asshole. blackspade Sep 2015 #152

Well, what would you have everyone do? Aerows Sep 2015 #154

That's it. Perfect solution. 840high Sep 2015 #155

My solution is uncovering the writer of that letter and kicking him off the site. MrScorpio Sep 2015 #159

I think it's probably a mole from Aerows Sep 2015 #161

Yeah, I kinda figured that you don't want to believe that a DUer would write and send that letter MrScorpio Sep 2015 #162

Okay Aerows Sep 2015 #163

This is why I feel this way too Generic Other Sep 2015 #170

How about just supporting your own candidate 6000eliot Sep 2015 #172

I doubt they are going to confess. mmonk Sep 2015 #167

Is there a Joshua Goldberg in the house? Jason Huh Sep 2015 #173

It is most probably an idiot outside of DU Aerows Sep 2015 #174

Just one qualifier nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #176

I'm not convinced it's someone here. but that doesn't matter. marym625 Sep 2015 #175

I know you two are friends lovemydog Sep 2015 #182

thank you, marym625 Sep 2015 #183

Myself, as an idealist, I keep forgetting that there are A-Holes in every cross-section of society. vkkv Sep 2015 #177

The only thing I care about in this is the safety of Bravenak and her family. merrily Sep 2015 #181