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Xithras

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45. Paul fairly solidly repudiates the wealthy in the Bible.

Reply to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

Fri Sep 11, 2015, 12:33 PM

Sep 2015

There are a handful of passages that can be interpreted to support wealth generation and a lack of giving, but only if taken out of context. On the whole, Paul consistently explains that the path to hell is paved in gold.

For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils. It is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many pangs.

What is a "love of money"? Christ instructed his followers to love everyone like a brother. Mark 23:31: "The second is this, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.' There is no other commandment greater than these." By Christs own words, all Christians are told that they MUST love their fellow man, and that the requirement to love supersedes even the 10 commandments.

So what happens when you balance your desire to collect wealth against the needs of those you love? You are saying "I place my own good, and the maintenance of my personal fortune, above the needs of my fellow man." That is a violation of both the teachings of Paul AND of Christ.

The Bible does not say that it's a sin to be wealthy. It DOES say that it's a sin to place your own personal comfort and wealth above the good of everyone else.

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I just went after an old friend of mine. [View all] Are_grits_groceries Sep 2015 OP

Bible battling with Jesus freaks is fun. leftofcool Sep 2015 #1

+1 Bubzer Sep 2015 #31

Yep. Paul (Saul) never even met Jesus n2doc Sep 2015 #2

Feel sorry for her ... nikto Sep 2015 #88

Keep up your strength TexasProgresive Sep 2015 #3

She is trying to dodge with the Paul diversion. Are_grits_groceries Sep 2015 #4

Well the Jesus verses should stick better than the grits. TexasProgresive Sep 2015 #7

Paul was talking about members of churches who tried to freeload starroute Sep 2015 #38

That's correct vlyons Sep 2015 #39

Need some help with Paul's views packman Sep 2015 #18

Hmmm Maybe the collection for famine relief never made it to Jerusalem TexasProgresive Sep 2015 #25

The money that Paul directed was sent to the church (bride), in Jerusalem, ran by James. DhhD Sep 2015 #40

So correct. RW christians do not apply the Gospel to jwirr Sep 2015 #32

Well, he wrote YESTERDAY, didn't he? MADem Sep 2015 #41

The crazy infects so many people. It's like shoveling shit against the tide arguing with them. nt valerief Sep 2015 #5

I love it! mgardener Sep 2015 #92

It's oldie but goodie. valerief Sep 2015 #93

Dichotomous Ideology Martin Eden Sep 2015 #6

Excellent point PDittie Sep 2015 #8

You get a Damn Skippy! for that. nt MrScorpio Sep 2015 #10

+1 well said ! lunasun Sep 2015 #12

Exactly! mountain grammy Sep 2015 #13

Perfect! nt phylny Sep 2015 #14

+100%! Enthusiast Sep 2015 #56

This is it in a nutshell. hifiguy Sep 2015 #67

Good job! Cracklin Charlie Sep 2015 #9

Already? When have they not hated the poor. jwirr Sep 2015 #34

Glad you made dust of them . Wasted energy trying to bring these folks around has been my experience lunasun Sep 2015 #11

Well in my long experiences with bible thumper zeemike Sep 2015 #15

^^THIS^^... freebrew Sep 2015 #19

Its the same where I live. Bubzer Sep 2015 #33

Well myself I don't have any issues with the bible. zeemike Sep 2015 #48

I think I can mostly agree with that. I used to consider myself a christian. Bubzer Sep 2015 #50

I don't ever remember being afraid of hell. zeemike Sep 2015 #53

Prosperity gospel. Do it yourself salvation. jwirr Sep 2015 #36

I had the same thing happen to me.... blackspade Sep 2015 #16

One big positive of Facebook, Dyedinthewoolliberal Sep 2015 #17

Truer words.... LibDemAlways Sep 2015 #27

Or you accept a friend request from an old high school friend (I'm 46) DisgustipatedinCA Sep 2015 #71

I unfriended one of those just today. LibDemAlways Sep 2015 #75

you are not alone... I have had to open two Facebook accounts, to keep the crazies all on one Page. secondwind Sep 2015 #20

I am very upset now. Are_grits_groceries Sep 2015 #21

Very sorry to hear that but very understandable as such an interaction snagglepuss Sep 2015 #26

It's hard to keep your spirits up in the face of hatred TexasProgresive Sep 2015 #29

Aww... sending comforting thoughts your way Bubzer Sep 2015 #35

Sending GOOD VIBES your way... AnotherDreamWeaver Sep 2015 #49

I've done the same with the Guns & God freaks. crim son Sep 2015 #22

I asked a guy on Facebook what he thought of the 1.7 million veterans who receive SNAP progressoid Sep 2015 #23

+1 Bubzer Sep 2015 #37

OH, SNAP! mhatrw Sep 2015 #64

generally don't like to fight PatrynXX Sep 2015 #24

Paul talked about women and their role in the church jwirr Sep 2015 #28

. libodem Sep 2015 #30

That is a good one! Enthusiast Sep 2015 #57

Fits the discussion libodem Sep 2015 #70

All my conservative friends I either hide from facebook LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #42

Me too! flygal Sep 2015 #59

My Facebook relatives are conservative Republicans. I've hidden one- No Vested Interest Sep 2015 #66

I've let plenty "friends" go - no blocks, no nukes - raven mad Sep 2015 #43

The wacky religious are going to be the death of America yet... SoapBox Sep 2015 #44

Nope. We'll stop the 30 million who push for Armageddon - because we have to. Hortensis Sep 2015 #55

Agreed. From what I can gather, most of them Lorien Sep 2015 #90

Paul fairly solidly repudiates the wealthy in the Bible. Xithras Sep 2015 #45

Do you want to really have some fun, share this video with your friend.... RR2 Sep 2015 #46

wow ohheckyeah Sep 2015 #60

It was a sad day when Martin was no longer president. Martin Eden Sep 2015 #69

"People do not seem to realize that their opinion of the world is also a confession of character." TexasProgresive Sep 2015 #47

I like that, very true nt stopwastingmymoney Sep 2015 #84

You should tell her it is the rich that take her money. WDIM Sep 2015 #51

well said... diverdownjt Sep 2015 #86

I've had to unfriend SEVERAL FB friends who had turned fundie on me. closeupready Sep 2015 #52

kick Liberal_in_LA Sep 2015 #54

Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Sep 2015 #58

Easy come, easy go? JustABozoOnThisBus Sep 2015 #61

I bowed out. Are_grits_groceries Sep 2015 #89

I have been fighting the urge to go off on a lot of FB friends. Curmudgeoness Sep 2015 #62

The poor are oppressing us all. mhatrw Sep 2015 #63

Their main thing is abortion of "babies". Yet the Bible clearly says they are not human and ErikJ Sep 2015 #65

^this^... .. n/t annabanana Sep 2015 #76

That old Scot Ian Anderson figured this all out back in 1971 hifiguy Sep 2015 #68

Ask her why she would hug the money changers instead of Jesus... cascadiance Sep 2015 #72

Similar experiences are pretty much why I left Facebook. Dark n Stormy Knight Sep 2015 #73

I lost a few "friends" awoke_in_2003 Sep 2015 #74

My ol' Granddaddy once told me . . OldRedneck Sep 2015 #77

Your ol granddaddy arikara Sep 2015 #80

I've heard a similar story... stopwastingmymoney Sep 2015 #85

A woman I was good friends with from 3rd grade thru high school... 3catwoman3 Sep 2015 #78

Life is really too short - religion is bullshit but freindship is tangible. I'll leave this: Juicy_Bellows Sep 2015 #79

My solution was to never get into the Facebook waltz. At all. Once in awhile LuckyLib Sep 2015 #81

I agree Skittles Sep 2015 #83

yea, it's not like Paul wasn't seen as a pinko by the Rormans MisterP Sep 2015 #82

Diagnosis for the "old friend" ... nikto Sep 2015 #87

Life is too short to suffer fools (NT) The Wizard Sep 2015 #91

I ended a 30+year relationship Duppers Sep 2015 #94

Send her these quotes by Thomas Jefferson Major Nikon Sep 2015 #95