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LostOne4Ever

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79. I have seen no one make that argument.

Sun Sep 13, 2015, 12:31 AM

Sep 2015

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]Could you please link to and quote the post that says that?

There was a post that said:[/font]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7164371

[div class="excerpt" style="margin-left:1em; border:1px solid #bfbfbf; border-radius:0.4615em; box-shadow:3px 3px 3px #999999;"]One occurs in nature and HFCS does not.

I'm sure they both cause similar blood sugar spikes, of course, but I don't believe the physiological effects are identical.

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]The fact that one occurs in nature does not necessitate that it is good for you or better than one that is not made in nature.[/font]

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Study: (Perhaps) Honey isn�t as healthy as we think [View all] HuckleB Sep 2015 OP

Yes, but local honey is effective for helping mitigate pollen based allergies, and studies have peacebird Sep 2015 #1

The pollen claim is false. HuckleB Sep 2015 #3

Which is why I eat what I want yeoman6987 Sep 2015 #11

Granted, there are some things out there that are horrible for you... Salviati Sep 2015 #14

I read a study long ago which said, to paraphrase: bemildred Sep 2015 #91

not true. but it has to be LOCAL honey. when i visited texas. the honey i used for milwaukee only pansypoo53219 Sep 2015 #36

The very first link he gave disproved that LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #37

Perhaps that's why our local honey DOES work for us. It is raw, unprocessed, straight from our hives peacebird Sep 2015 #40

Well if it works for you then keep at it LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #46

And there is no scientific basis for your claim. HuckleB Sep 2015 #105

Do you work for pharma? Look, we use honey, herbs, exercise and organic foods. We no longer need peacebird Sep 2015 #119

Nope. And use of the shill gambit doesn't support scam claims either. HuckleB Sep 2015 #120

If exposure to the pollen that triggers allergies caused immunity ... REP Sep 2015 #44

Good news! You don't have to eat trees to obtain immunity! Buns_of_Fire Sep 2015 #125

Aw crap. I live in a redwood forest. REP Sep 2015 #132

I've found that one can experience pure joy from eating raw honey. cheapdate Sep 2015 #59

And it is fun to ride a bike without a helmet LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #62

I'm a real risk taker. cheapdate Sep 2015 #75

Then more power to you...though I question the nevers you cite :) (nt) LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #77

Risks are everywhere. cheapdate Sep 2015 #81

Anecdotally local honey has worked for our family. We no longer need allergy meds. peacebird Sep 2015 #39

And there is no scientific basis for that claim. Anecdotes are meaningless. HuckleB Sep 2015 #106

Did I say there was scientific basis, no. i said it has worked for us. Snark much? peacebird Sep 2015 #118

In other words, you have met the placebo effect. HuckleB Sep 2015 #121

And I will gladly say goodbye to you! peacebird Sep 2015 #127

You have to make sure that your beliefs are safe from evidence-based challenges! HuckleB Sep 2015 #130

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2015 #123

It totally does get rid of blackheads though... ScreamingMeemie Sep 2015 #2

Jesus, why can't they just let us hold on to our fantasies packman Sep 2015 #4

Don't forget wine and dark chocolate. Cal Carpenter Sep 2015 #6

Not surprising, but honey tastes better than other sweeteners to me. eom MohRokTah Sep 2015 #5

It is processed - pre-digested - by the bees. I understood it to be a very high glycemic index food. RadiationTherapy Sep 2015 #7

Why would anyone believe honey to be healthy? Snobblevitch Sep 2015 #8

Besides sugars, cheapdate Sep 2015 #58

One occurs in nature and HFCS does not. Greybnk48 Sep 2015 #9

And that's why one 'has an aura of purity and naturalness' Gormy Cuss Sep 2015 #10

The same can be said for Maple sugar Greybnk48 Sep 2015 #18

I don't know if it's poison but I do know it's not necessary Gormy Cuss Sep 2015 #21

The Evidence Supports Artificial Sweeteners Over Sugar LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #50

It doesn't look like stevia was included in the study. Gormy Cuss Sep 2015 #65

Totally agree. LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #80

Arsenic and cyanide occur in nature as well. Codeine Sep 2015 #13

I did not say it's necessarily healthy, but it is a food Greybnk48 Sep 2015 #16

Hmm. Chan790 Sep 2015 #30

You eat corn stalks and wood pulp from apple trees? villager Sep 2015 #33

No those things are found in the edible parts of the apple too LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #52

Well sure, "traces" are villager Sep 2015 #68

Correct. What we are talking about an appeal to nature fallacy and As is natural and disproves it nt LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #72

Huh? villager Sep 2015 #73

The post that spawned this subthread was giving a counter example to the appeal to nature fallacy LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #76

Except that no one is claiming that everything that occurs in nature should be eaten villager Sep 2015 #78

I have seen no one make that argument. LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #79

What industrial/corporate food products -- or their attendant pesticides, antibiotics, etc. villager Sep 2015 #82

Does sassafrass oil count? LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #85

Ah, so there's never any conflict of interest, or looking-the-other-way at the FDA. villager Sep 2015 #87

And where did I say that? LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #88

Arsenic is contained in most of the things you eat and drink Major Nikon Sep 2015 #92

HFCS metabolizes exactly the same as sucrose because it is the same thing Thor_MN Sep 2015 #99

They aren't the same! Major Nikon Sep 2015 #116

No doubt, thanks. workinclasszero Sep 2015 #112

Who precisely is stating that as such? LanternWaste Sep 2015 #134

Ahh, the naturalistic fallacy. X_Digger Sep 2015 #17

Sulphur is not food. Your argument is a strawman Greybnk48 Sep 2015 #19

Here's a natural food.. berries! X_Digger Sep 2015 #20

Ah, the reductio ad absurdum argument Gormy Cuss Sep 2015 #22

I'm responding at the same level as the poster who thinks 'natural food' = good! X_Digger Sep 2015 #24

I don't think I'm the simpleton here n.t. Greybnk48 Sep 2015 #35

Oh, I get it. Gormy Cuss Sep 2015 #67

Children often predicate their own actions on those of others LanternWaste Sep 2015 #135

That is not a reductio ad absurdum LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #54

The argument was citing items contrary to the natural-is-better argument Gormy Cuss Sep 2015 #66

I must disagree the argument went like this LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #71

It is found in plenty of food LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #48

I think you mean an "Appeal to Nature" fallacy. LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #47

*nod* Keyboard got ahead of my head. Thx. n/t X_Digger Sep 2015 #74

There's more to it than that, even. Ilsa Sep 2015 #141

You can't get fresher or more natural ryan_cats Sep 2015 #12

How about Flying Squirrel Sep 2015 #49

Another one in regards to insulin response, is bottle down agave touted as a natural Person 2713 Sep 2015 #15

Bee poop. bemildred Sep 2015 #23

Well, more like bee vomit, but yep. n/t X_Digger Sep 2015 #25

It's been in there and came out again. bemildred Sep 2015 #27

I keep bees in my back yard Mojorabbit Sep 2015 #42

I like bees too. bemildred Sep 2015 #90

When I buy locally produced Honey I know what I'm getting.... daleanime Sep 2015 #26

And yet whether you know it or not you're getting pretty much the same thing Major Nikon Sep 2015 #97

Only if you place the same value on bee's and machine's..... daleanime Sep 2015 #98

So what is the carbon cost of local honey? Major Nikon Sep 2015 #100

Awwww, you got..... daleanime Sep 2015 #101

How do you know it's less? Major Nikon Sep 2015 #102

Well, first is transportation cost, the closer the better..... daleanime Sep 2015 #104

Closer isn't necessarily better, so there's your first mistake Major Nikon Sep 2015 #110

Nothing is better for you than honey because Monsanto is evil Orrex Sep 2015 #28

Thank God bee populations are actually healthy and thriving! villager Sep 2015 #34

I remember when we were blaming cell phones. Orrex Sep 2015 #41

I still blame cell phones DavidDvorkin Sep 2015 #43

I'm sorry to inform you..You're going straight to hell for that. BlueJazz Sep 2015 #55

Evidently, no one and nothing is responsible in your book. villager Sep 2015 #70

Responsible for what? HuckleB Sep 2015 #109

Keep on digging, HuckleB villager Sep 2015 #113

Why do you hate bees? Major Nikon Sep 2015 #115

Honey is dangerous for infants HassleCat Sep 2015 #29

I just posted this but yours is much more informative. I will delete mine. Hollingsworth Sep 2015 #32

This message was self-deleted by its author Hollingsworth Sep 2015 #31

Neither one is good for me. Diabetes oneshooter Sep 2015 #38

I posted the basic information the study validated quite a while ago. Ms. Toad Sep 2015 #45

Honey tasste better edhopper Sep 2015 #51

Honey has too much GMO in it RobertEarl Sep 2015 #53

The vast majority of commercial honey comes from clover Major Nikon Sep 2015 #94

All that the study showed, cheapdate Sep 2015 #56

I keep a jar of Manuka honey 840high Sep 2015 #69

Never had any. We love honey in my house. cheapdate Sep 2015 #83

Makes sense. Sugar is sugar. The problem with HFCS is that it's in so many things. Marr Sep 2015 #57

And far too salty, too. nt awoke_in_2003 Sep 2015 #60

Sugar is not sugar. SlipperySlope Sep 2015 #142

Everyone knows you hate bees! Rex Sep 2015 #61

Y'all go right on ahead and eat your poison, and I'll stick with my natural diet that has Zorra Sep 2015 #63

I like a little bit of honey in my tea. StevieM Sep 2015 #84

I suspect the reward is countering the irrational nonsense of people who call things "poison" Major Nikon Sep 2015 #95

don't kid us, we know you are one of the immortals!! yuiyoshida Sep 2015 #103

Pointless anecdotes are hyperbole are so awesome! HuckleB Sep 2015 #108

I'll stick with honey. (no pun intended) icymist Sep 2015 #64

people thought Honey was Healthy ? JI7 Sep 2015 #86

Yes Major Nikon Sep 2015 #107

There is so much riding on keeping pesticides Mojorabbit Sep 2015 #114

Honey is more healthy fadedrose Sep 2015 #117

What? HuckleB Sep 2015 #122

I never eat candy bars so that makes them healthier than almonds Major Nikon Sep 2015 #124

Seriously, you think people are going to switch from honey to HFCS? bwahahahaha! djean111 Sep 2015 #89

"No nutritional value at all" Major Nikon Sep 2015 #96

There is sucrose for energy. No vitamins, no minerals, nothing that cannot be gotten from djean111 Sep 2015 #126

Carbohydrates are a macronutrient and half to most of your calories should come from them Major Nikon Sep 2015 #128

I am almost 70, extremely active. Lately, been walking to the grocery store, almost three miles djean111 Sep 2015 #129

Really I could care less if anyone eats road apples Major Nikon Sep 2015 #133

In other words, evidence means nothing to you. HuckleB Sep 2015 #131

It's pure sugar gollygee Sep 2015 #93

Honey = sugar workinclasszero Sep 2015 #111

Interesting, but a controlled study of people randomized to HFCS or honey would be needed. Avalux Sep 2015 #136

You mean like the study in the OP? HuckleB Sep 2015 #137

Thank you. Avalux Sep 2015 #138

Moderation is always the key. HuckleB Sep 2015 #139

Whole fruits over anything else, any day. Avalux Sep 2015 #140

Equal amounts will cause equal problems, Dorian Gray Sep 2015 #143

Moderation of either would be fine. HuckleB Sep 2015 #144

That's essentially what I said... Dorian Gray Sep 2015 #145