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YabaDabaNoDinoNo

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48. Ever try immigrating to a better place as an American?

Sun Sep 13, 2015, 07:18 AM

Sep 2015

It is very difficult if you are not married to a citizen of that country or have direct family to that county.

It is even difficult if you have a skill that an employer needs to bring you in as an American.

It is easier to immigrate if you are a refugee or are wealthy.

Regular person who wants a change of venue with only job skills to offer very, very difficult to do many times a temporary work permit and temporary visa is the best one can get usually one get a no.

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If Democratic Socialism is so bad, where are all the scandinavian immigrants? - img [View all] Bubzer Sep 2015 OP

Pinin' for the fjords? The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2015 #1

Isn't their prime minister Rosa Luxemburg Sep 2015 #3

Conservatives in Europe are more Democratic Socialist than our Democrats. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #31

Conservatism is stronger in hot climates, cools down a bit in cool ones. Hortensis Sep 2015 #52

Very interesting. Thanks. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #70

Alaska is an odd ball with Palinites Rosa Luxemburg Sep 2015 #71

Are you from Alaska, Rosa L? Hortensis Sep 2015 #73

Alaska is weird Scootaloo Sep 2015 #126

No, they're more Social Democratic. BIG difference to us who have lived where there was both. DFW Sep 2015 #98

Bernie is 73 and not about to shoot anyone. Listen to his speeches. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #111

I'm American and agree with your assessment of the domestic situation DFW Sep 2015 #114

I lived in Germany, France, Austria and the UK, JDPriestly Sep 2015 #125

Lovely plumage, the Norwegian blue. nt awoke_in_2003 Sep 2015 #37

Isn't their Deputy Prime Minster a Green? Rosa Luxemburg Sep 2015 #2

I'm not sure. I think it depends which scandinavian country you're refering to. Bubzer Sep 2015 #6

Sorry, Sweden Rosa Luxemburg Sep 2015 #72

Ahh. This is what's listed at wikipedia: Bubzer Sep 2015 #80

Ja Rosa Luxemburg Sep 2015 #89

If Democrtsic Socialism is so good, where are all the US Emigrants? brooklynite Sep 2015 #4

About 20k immigrate to scandinavia from the US per year. Bubzer Sep 2015 #5

It's difficult to emigrate to the Scandinavian countries. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2015 #9

It is hard to go to many countries. Hardly any of us would qualify yeoman6987 Sep 2015 #19

One of my college friends did so by taking a post-graduate semester abroad in Oslo Lydia Leftcoast Sep 2015 #83

+1 Bubzer Sep 2015 #94

Since so many people here worry that the Democratic nomination is being "fixed"..... brooklynite Sep 2015 #85

You seem bitter about something. tabasco Sep 2015 #87

What would I be bitter about? brooklynite Sep 2015 #88

I wouldn't call somone detailing their experiences as being flippant. Bubzer Sep 2015 #96

Thats somthing I would expect the GOP or a conservative to say...not a Dem. Bubzer Sep 2015 #95

So eager to get rid of us? daleanime Sep 2015 #24

. Rex Sep 2015 #26

my late husband said DesertFlower Sep 2015 #35

Ever try immigrating to a better place as an American? YabaDabaNoDinoNo Sep 2015 #48

It's also almost imposible to own land outside of the US. Bubzer Sep 2015 #66

It is difficult, but there are a few countries in Asia where it isn't that difficult davidpdx Sep 2015 #116

This message was self-deleted by its author stillwaiting Sep 2015 #49

Depending on the outcome of this election PowerToThePeople Sep 2015 #55

The Scandinavian countries are not democratic socialist. former9thward Sep 2015 #7

Defends them from what? The US is more in the busienss of creating terrorists n/t eridani Sep 2015 #8

Its called NATO. former9thward Sep 2015 #45

Sweden and Finland never joined NATO during the Cold War 1939 Sep 2015 #56

Yes they are. ForgoTheConsequence Sep 2015 #10

+1 Bubzer Sep 2015 #12

No, they're not. NuclearDem Sep 2015 #13

For you as well. Bubzer Sep 2015 #14

And for you: NuclearDem Sep 2015 #16

I really shouldn't need to point this out, but... Bubzer Sep 2015 #17

You do know that social democracy and democratic socialism are not the same thing? NuclearDem Sep 2015 #18

Touche! Though I want to bring some additional perspective into play... Bubzer Sep 2015 #82

And right in that site, they will tell you they are Socialists, & on the very page you linked nt stevenleser Sep 2015 #104

LOL! Rex Sep 2015 #27

That's right, their governments are Social Democracies, not Democratic Socialism. nt stevenleser Sep 2015 #105

You are mistaken sir. Bubzer Sep 2015 #11

No, I am not. former9thward Sep 2015 #44

Then where do you take your deffinition from? Bubzer Sep 2015 #97

I imagine the academic texts sourced in the wiki entry are merely pablum too... LanternWaste Sep 2015 #108

Other posters have agreed with me. former9thward Sep 2015 #110

And other posters have disagreed with you. Bubzer Sep 2015 #120

+100 !! (NT) PosterChild Sep 2015 #28

Democratic socialist countries are capitalist. It's a mixture. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #33

So true. If only we could get rid of this military obsession treestar Sep 2015 #54

Correct, the Scandinavian and many European countries are Social Democracies. Not the same thing stevenleser Sep 2015 #78

They've all committed suicide DavidDvorkin Sep 2015 #15

Oh, they're all moving here to the US to take advantage of the unbelievably expensive healthcare, Zorra Sep 2015 #20

lol Bubzer Sep 2015 #21

I love the tone of you sarcasm! Phlem Sep 2015 #22

But Mureica and freedom. We're exceptional. kairos12 Sep 2015 #38

Exactly. SoapBox Sep 2015 #23

Is there some kind of migration of Americans to Scandinavia? SouthernProgressive Sep 2015 #25

+100 !! (NT) PosterChild Sep 2015 #30

Were I younger and more adventuring, I might consider 1monster Sep 2015 #41

Most Americans don't have a clue how things work in other countries. Very incurious. stillwaiting Sep 2015 #50

Of course, it excludes those who would "hugely benefit" TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2015 #58

Our social safety net is a disgrace. stillwaiting Sep 2015 #59

+1 Bubzer Sep 2015 #68

I've seen the argument made that their sharp immigration restrictions enable much of what they do Lee-Lee Sep 2015 #57

It's very difficult to emigrate to those countries Lydia Leftcoast Sep 2015 #90

The Bubble Brigade will explain why America is 1# Rex Sep 2015 #29

The upper midwest: Minnesota, Wisconsin, Dakotas, Iowa IronLionZion Sep 2015 #32

And they all came here....when? truebluegreen Sep 2015 #39

I personally know some recent immigrants from Sweden IronLionZion Sep 2015 #60

Yes, I'm sure there's a wave. truebluegreen Sep 2015 #62

People walk past Europeans every day without knowing they're European IronLionZion Sep 2015 #84

Uff da. truebluegreen Sep 2015 #86

+1 Bubzer Sep 2015 #102

Americans of Scandinavian descent outnumber Scandinavians in Scandinavia (nt) Recursion Sep 2015 #43

Bingo. The immigrants fleeing Scandinavia WERE there - before they adopted Democratic Socialism. forest444 Sep 2015 #74

Primarily fleeing a shortage of land NT 1939 Sep 2015 #77

Or rather, the concentration of most good land in a few hundred families. forest444 Sep 2015 #81

White, colder, and 1939 Sep 2015 #93

So what's your opinion of.. PosterChild Sep 2015 #34

Well, lets take a look at that. Bubzer Sep 2015 #100

Bernie's going to be . ... PosterChild Sep 2015 #112

Yikes! that article is enormous! Thats not an article, its a book! Bubzer Sep 2015 #113

Gives new meaning to tl;dr... PosterChild Sep 2015 #115

Sorry but I just don't agree. The fear about socialism has been progressivly fading for a while now. Bubzer Sep 2015 #117

Here are some resources... PosterChild Sep 2015 #118

Yet, in spite of those numbers, Bernie has had vastly more event attendance than anyone else. Bubzer Sep 2015 #119

Good luck with that (nt) PosterChild Sep 2015 #121

Looks like it's started.... PosterChild Sep 2015 #124

Looks like Hillary's attacks are having the opposite impact Bubzer Sep 2015 #127

Keep hoping. (nt) PosterChild Sep 2015 #128

Conservatives There Are Not Like Ours Here colsohlibgal Sep 2015 #36

Bingo! Jason Huh Sep 2015 #40

In a large band from Wisconsin to the Dakotas Recursion Sep 2015 #42

yep you nailed it nt steve2470 Sep 2015 #47

This message was self-deleted by its author stillwaiting Sep 2015 #51

And WHEN did they immigrate there? stillwaiting Sep 2015 #53

Yah, well, the Swedes and Norskies have royal families, you know. MineralMan Sep 2015 #63

Your application of historical context is dramatically lacking. LanternWaste Sep 2015 #109

They're all over Washington state, for one thing. And many of them pnwmom Sep 2015 #46

Can you blame them? It's freaking cold here in MineralMan Sep 2015 #65

They all came to Minnesnowta years ago. MineralMan Sep 2015 #61

Minnesota, Wisconsin, Northern Michigan FrodosPet Sep 2015 #64

Right. Bubzer Sep 2015 #69

These days, I think only upper middle class Scandinavians would try to emigrate to the US KitSileya Sep 2015 #67

Our DIL is a Danish citizen raised in America, KitSileya, but she's never Hortensis Sep 2015 #76

If you refer to Scandinavia, you're thinking of Social Democracy. Not the same thing as "PDS" DFW Sep 2015 #75

I keep telling people this. Maybe if enough of us say it, people will finally get it. nt stevenleser Sep 2015 #79

When swine get permission to launch an airline DFW Sep 2015 #91

I've tried to explain the differences in European political parties.... BooScout Sep 2015 #99

I've seen that. DFW Sep 2015 #101

Not quite. Bubzer Sep 2015 #103

I don't think just "American." I think globally. I have to. DFW Sep 2015 #106

I can certainly respect that. Each culture applies the labels it deems appropriate. Bubzer Sep 2015 #107

If monarchy is bad, where are all the immigrants of noble birth? Kaleva Sep 2015 #92

K & R! Dont call me Shirley Sep 2015 #122

We won't see that type of socialism until the country splits into smaller countries Marrah_G Sep 2015 #123