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madfloridian

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Sun Sep 13, 2015, 04:32 PM Sep 2015

Anti-war protesters were right. Iraq invasion has led to chaos. [View all]

The invasion of Iraq was a turning point for me in how I viewed politics and politicians. It still colors my thinking today. Our nation changed then, and not for the good.

A new moral atmosphere appeared, one in which too many accepted what we did. We invaded a country based on lies, hunted down its leader, executed his sons, and displayed their bodies on TV. There's still a link at the Guardian of those pictures, easy to find on a search.

There were many warnings about how our disastrous decision would cause instability in the Middle East.

From 2014 The Guardian.

We anti-war protesters were right: the Iraq invasion has led to bloody chaos


The Iraq war protest in London, on 15 February 2003. Photograph: Sipa Press/Rex Features

I have encountered no sense of vindication, no "I told you so", among veterans of the anti-war protest of 15 February 2003 in response to the events in Iraq. Despair, yes, but above all else, bitterness – that we were unable to stop one of the greatest calamities of modern times, that warnings which were dismissed as hyperbole now look like understatements, that countless lives (literally – no one counts them) have been lost, and will continue to be so for many years to come.

....The catastrophic results of the Iraq invasion are often portrayed as having been impossible to predict, and only inevitable with the benefit of hindsight. If only to prevent future calamities from happening, this is a myth that needs to be dispelled. The very fact that the demonstration on that chilly February day in 2003 was the biggest Britain had ever seen, is testament to the fact that disaster seemed inevitable to so many people.

The commentators who cheered on the conflict, far from being driven from public life are still feted: still writing columns, still dispensing advice in TV studios, still hosting thinktank breakfasts. "If nothing is eventually found, I – as a supporter of the war – will never believe another thing that I am told by our government, or that of the US ever again," declared David Aaronovitch in this newspaper.


I notice that our US political leaders who led us to war are still walking around and talking on TV as experts of something or other. There's been no reckoning.

Ironically I remember a Democratic think tank proudly proclaiming how the "Blair Democrats" were standing for progress in supporting the war, and the anti-war protesters here in the US were "fringe activists."

More:

In a way, opponents of the war were wrong. We were wrong because however disastrous we thought the consequences of the Iraq war, the reality has been worse. The US massacres in Fallujah in the immediate aftermath of the war, which helped radicalise the Sunni population, culminating in an assault on the city with white phosphorus. The beheadings, the kidnappings and hostage videos, the car bombs, the IEDs, the Sunni and Shia insurgencies, the torture declared by the UN in 2006 to be worse than that under Saddam Hussein, the bodies with their hands and feet bound and dumped in rivers, the escalating sectarian slaughter, the millions of displaced civilians, and the hundreds of thousands who died: it has been one never-ending blur of horror since 2003.


A 2007 article in the Washington Post had some of the warnings given by intelligence agencies pre-war.

Analysts' Warnings of Iraq Chaos Detailed

The report is the latest release in the Senate committee's ongoing study of prewar intelligence. A July 2004 report identified intelligence-gathering and analysis failures related to weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. Still pending is a study of how the administration used intelligence on Iraq in the run-up to the war.

.... In a statement attached to yesterday's 229-page report, the Senate intelligence committee's chairman, John D. Rockefeller IV (W.Va.), and three other Democratic panel members said: "The most chilling and prescient warning from the intelligence community prior to the war was that the American invasion would bring about instability in Iraq that would be exploited by Iran and al Qaeda terrorists."

In addition to portraying a terrorist nexus between Iraq and al-Qaeda that did not exist, the Democrats said, the Bush administration "also kept from the American people . . . the sobering intelligence assessments it received at the time" -- that an Iraq war could allow al-Qaeda "to establish the presence in Iraq and opportunity to strike at Americans it did not have prior to the invasion."


There would be more to include in that 2007 article today. The chaos is spreading.

One of our previous Democratic presidents once said of Iraq that he wanted it to have worth it.

It was not worth it, the cost has been too great.

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Yes! Wonderful and thank you. Autumn Sep 2015 #1
And the architects of this disaster are still with us ... DirkGently Sep 2015 #2
Dick Cheney was absolutely right about invading Iraq! Human101948 Sep 2015 #28
He changed his mind big time. I remember that video. Angers me so much. madfloridian Sep 2015 #32
He didn't changed his mind he changed what he was saying. snort Sep 2015 #60
What was most to Halliburton's advantage? Two different options at two two different times. maddiemom Sep 2015 #61
Exactly! His PNAC compatriots decided to change the script. Raster Sep 2015 #82
Well that just makes it worse, doesn't it. DirkGently Sep 2015 #38
That's what happens when you don't prosecute War Criminals, they sabrina 1 Sep 2015 #75
Well said! N/T AikidoSoul Sep 2015 #86
"Blair Democrats, Ready for Battle" by Will Marshall PPI/DLC madfloridian Sep 2015 #3
"the cost has been too great" < I don't think the costs have even started yet. There is a big jtuck004 Sep 2015 #4
You are right about stuff coming. madfloridian Sep 2015 #5
"There is a big war ahead" - it looks that way. bananas Sep 2015 #51
Actually, there have been several good counts. Stevepol Sep 2015 #6
Think Saddam said something to that effect PatrynXX Sep 2015 #7
And when you bring up the litany of chaos gratuitous Sep 2015 #27
Dem Establishment in 2016 puts up a candidate who voted to authorize the travesty Dems to Win Sep 2015 #8
/\_/\_This right here_/\_/\ Scuba Sep 2015 #47
IMO, that vote alone should disqualifying that anyone who supported the war from ladjf Sep 2015 #88
That Puts It In Perspective For Me! NonMetro Sep 2015 #57
Welcome to DU Dems to Win Sep 2015 #65
This! nt Javaman Sep 2015 #77
I agree, but for me the turning point was the stolen election of 2000. Rex Sep 2015 #9
we didnt stand up to bold theft reddread Sep 2015 #12
We could go back to Nixon and Ford. Rex Sep 2015 #14
post 96 telecomm deregulation? reddread Sep 2015 #18
+1 nt abelenkpe Sep 2015 #16
The Congressional Black Caucus STOOD UP to protest the THEFT. bvar22 Sep 2015 #17
Thank you, that is true only ONE group did stand up. Rex Sep 2015 #19
+ Eighty Gazillion Scuba Sep 2015 #48
Absolutely. NEVER forget. Nt navarth Sep 2015 #53
Ditto. That's my turning point event also lunatica Sep 2015 #21
And both the USA and the world are far from done paying jwirr Sep 2015 #10
I can't forget that video of Wes Clark telling about the 7 countries we would invade. madfloridian Sep 2015 #36
Think in terms of the oil barrons. By destablizing the ME jwirr Sep 2015 #56
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2015 #11
MadFla, you're back!!!!! hedda_foil Sep 2015 #13
.... madfloridian Sep 2015 #35
One of the ironies that struck me.... dougolat Sep 2015 #15
Yes, the protests never made the media here at all. madfloridian Sep 2015 #37
Kicked and recommended to the Max! Enthusiast Sep 2015 #20
But Yet... jaxind Sep 2015 #22
Excellent post madfloridian malaise Sep 2015 #23
Your last sentence. madfloridian Sep 2015 #24
So Very True Ellie MP Sep 2015 #81
Welcometo DU Ellie MP malaise Sep 2015 #87
I was going to say the OP is stating the obvious ... Martin Eden Sep 2015 #25
It is the reason IS troops are as brutal and inhuman as they are WDIM Sep 2015 #26
Agree. madfloridian Sep 2015 #33
Disagree. malthaussen Sep 2015 #63
Also it does not help when your occupying force leaves behind guns, ammo, armored vehicles Rex Sep 2015 #70
"Anti-war protesters were right. Iraq invasion has led to chaos." LiberalLovinLug Sep 2015 #29
Won't happen here. madfloridian Sep 2015 #49
Little ole me, I still despair I couldn't stop it. joanbarnes Sep 2015 #30
I know what you mean. We really thought we could make a difference. madfloridian Sep 2015 #43
"Call Congress right fucking now!" has become a reality instead of a tag line! CTyankee Sep 2015 #31
And we are Ichigo Kurosaki Sep 2015 #34
K&R Excellent post and thread. nt JEB Sep 2015 #39
Kick! !! FloriTexan Sep 2015 #40
This shit has been going on at least since Vietnam. JEB Sep 2015 #41
Refugees left Iraq early during US raids on their cities. madfloridian Sep 2015 #42
Yep, we Officially Screwed the Pooch dzhuboi Sep 2015 #44
Yes, seems we did that. madfloridian Sep 2015 #45
Events Leading Up to the 2003 Invasion of Iraq...interesting timeline madfloridian Sep 2015 #46
...! KoKo Sep 2015 #69
The BFEE has turned out to be... freebrew Sep 2015 #50
This is the most disturbing aspect: Smarmie Doofus Sep 2015 #52
The same crew, Third Way Dems and repubs, will do it all again when the war drums Zorra Sep 2015 #54
"The commentators who cheered on the conflict...are still feted" I hate liars Sep 2015 #55
Thanks for making the effort....They need to hear and have KoKo Sep 2015 #71
Perpetual war for profit against a nebulous enemy. raouldukelives Sep 2015 #58
What I cannot figure out is why the Europeans are being so nice . . FairWinds Sep 2015 #59
Let's not forget the Brits helped out too d_legendary1 Sep 2015 #64
At some point, one has to ask who profits. malthaussen Sep 2015 #62
PNAC. This entire warzone played out on paper for Cheney and his crew. Rex Sep 2015 #72
Chaos indeed, it gives those of US saidsimplesimon Sep 2015 #66
I kinda hate being right this time Bucky Sep 2015 #67
Chaos was the least of it. avaistheone1 Sep 2015 #68
as usual KG Sep 2015 #73
Project for a New American Century should be all the evidence anyone needs to convict Cheney Rex Sep 2015 #74
Rebuilding America's Defenses Raster Sep 2015 #83
Fantastic article. ForgoTheConsequence Sep 2015 #76
Ah, yes, those antiwar protests that were blacked out all over America. nt valerief Sep 2015 #78
Said it then, I'll say it again, "You can start a war, but you can't just stop it." L. Coyote Sep 2015 #79
There was never going to be any attempt to stop this war. Never. Raster Sep 2015 #84
It was supposed to be, in their crackpot plans, a quick and dirty conquest. The $$$$$ would be in WinkyDink Sep 2015 #91
Well, yes, that too, however, cheney*/bush* knew (well cheney*knew, bush* muddled through it... Raster Sep 2015 #92
I still beg to differ. They built the US's largest embasssy ever in Iraq. I think they wanted an WinkyDink Sep 2015 #95
I don't think we differ that much. Yes, we built the world's largest, most hardened embassy in Iraq Raster Sep 2015 #96
Heh---Your allusion to Puerto Rico got me thinking of "West Side Story." "I like to be in the WinkyDink Sep 2015 #103
Middle East Side Story! Raster Sep 2015 #104
Yes! WinkyDink Sep 2015 #105
One of the reasons I don't want to give Hillary the keys to the car. PassingFair Sep 2015 #80
Thank you for this excellent post, Madfloridian The Blue Flower Sep 2015 #85
Iraq seems to be a major cause, especially regarding Kurds and Iran ... JustABozoOnThisBus Sep 2015 #89
Yet another "N S, S" moment for the media to take note of, too little, too late. WinkyDink Sep 2015 #90
Gee. So many of the people who said the war was good are still on TV. Octafish Sep 2015 #93
..... madfloridian Sep 2015 #94
Recycled Reactionaries R Them Octafish Sep 2015 #98
Wow, great info. madfloridian Sep 2015 #100
Per the way it's all currently structured, there is no profit in peace. Raster Sep 2015 #97
Have you read Tyler Cowen, Raster? Octafish Sep 2015 #99
I remember how anthropologists who understood the region tried to be heard... polichick Sep 2015 #101
It is exactly why we stopped at the Kuwait-Iraq border in early 1991. roamer65 Sep 2015 #102
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