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jwirr

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10. And both the USA and the world are far from done paying

Sun Sep 13, 2015, 06:07 PM

Sep 2015

for it.

Economically we have yet to pay for the debt we ran up fighting a war based on lies and our country suffers for this while we fight on.

Families are with out sons, husbands and fathers and sometimes the female equivalent.

The ME has been totally destroyed and may never be rebuilt. The war goes on in that area of the world even when we pull our troops out and now we have ISIS.

Europe is overrun by refugees and there are still more to come. And we are only partially willing to help with what we started. And heaven help us what this is going to do in terms of racial strife.

No one in the government either here or in England listened when they were warned. Just like no one is listening when we talk about the consequences of climate change and the corporate move to what we are calling globalization.

When will we ever learn? Apparently never.

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Anti-war protesters were right. Iraq invasion has led to chaos. [View all] madfloridian Sep 2015 OP

Yes! Wonderful and thank you. Autumn Sep 2015 #1

And the architects of this disaster are still with us ... DirkGently Sep 2015 #2

Dick Cheney was absolutely right about invading Iraq! Human101948 Sep 2015 #28

He changed his mind big time. I remember that video. Angers me so much. madfloridian Sep 2015 #32

He didn't changed his mind he changed what he was saying. snort Sep 2015 #60

What was most to Halliburton's advantage? Two different options at two two different times. maddiemom Sep 2015 #61

Exactly! His PNAC compatriots decided to change the script. Raster Sep 2015 #82

Well that just makes it worse, doesn't it. DirkGently Sep 2015 #38

That's what happens when you don't prosecute War Criminals, they sabrina 1 Sep 2015 #75

Well said! N/T AikidoSoul Sep 2015 #86

"Blair Democrats, Ready for Battle" by Will Marshall PPI/DLC madfloridian Sep 2015 #3

"the cost has been too great" < I don't think the costs have even started yet. There is a big jtuck004 Sep 2015 #4

You are right about stuff coming. madfloridian Sep 2015 #5

"There is a big war ahead" - it looks that way. bananas Sep 2015 #51

Actually, there have been several good counts. Stevepol Sep 2015 #6

Think Saddam said something to that effect PatrynXX Sep 2015 #7

And when you bring up the litany of chaos gratuitous Sep 2015 #27

Dem Establishment in 2016 puts up a candidate who voted to authorize the travesty Dems to Win Sep 2015 #8

/\_/\_This right here_/\_/\ Scuba Sep 2015 #47

IMO, that vote alone should disqualifying that anyone who supported the war from ladjf Sep 2015 #88

That Puts It In Perspective For Me! NonMetro Sep 2015 #57

Welcome to DU Dems to Win Sep 2015 #65

This! nt Javaman Sep 2015 #77

I agree, but for me the turning point was the stolen election of 2000. Rex Sep 2015 #9

we didnt stand up to bold theft reddread Sep 2015 #12

We could go back to Nixon and Ford. Rex Sep 2015 #14

post 96 telecomm deregulation? reddread Sep 2015 #18

+1 nt abelenkpe Sep 2015 #16

The Congressional Black Caucus STOOD UP to protest the THEFT. bvar22 Sep 2015 #17

Thank you, that is true only ONE group did stand up. Rex Sep 2015 #19

+ Eighty Gazillion Scuba Sep 2015 #48

Absolutely. NEVER forget. Nt navarth Sep 2015 #53

Ditto. That's my turning point event also lunatica Sep 2015 #21

And both the USA and the world are far from done paying jwirr Sep 2015 #10

I can't forget that video of Wes Clark telling about the 7 countries we would invade. madfloridian Sep 2015 #36

Think in terms of the oil barrons. By destablizing the ME jwirr Sep 2015 #56

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2015 #11

MadFla, you're back!!!!! hedda_foil Sep 2015 #13

.... madfloridian Sep 2015 #35

One of the ironies that struck me.... dougolat Sep 2015 #15

Yes, the protests never made the media here at all. madfloridian Sep 2015 #37

Kicked and recommended to the Max! Enthusiast Sep 2015 #20

But Yet... jaxind Sep 2015 #22

Excellent post madfloridian malaise Sep 2015 #23

Your last sentence. madfloridian Sep 2015 #24

So Very True Ellie MP Sep 2015 #81

Welcometo DU Ellie MP malaise Sep 2015 #87

I was going to say the OP is stating the obvious ... Martin Eden Sep 2015 #25

It is the reason IS troops are as brutal and inhuman as they are WDIM Sep 2015 #26

Agree. madfloridian Sep 2015 #33

Disagree. malthaussen Sep 2015 #63

Also it does not help when your occupying force leaves behind guns, ammo, armored vehicles Rex Sep 2015 #70

"Anti-war protesters were right. Iraq invasion has led to chaos." LiberalLovinLug Sep 2015 #29

Won't happen here. madfloridian Sep 2015 #49

Little ole me, I still despair I couldn't stop it. joanbarnes Sep 2015 #30

I know what you mean. We really thought we could make a difference. madfloridian Sep 2015 #43

"Call Congress right fucking now!" has become a reality instead of a tag line! CTyankee Sep 2015 #31

And we are Ichigo Kurosaki Sep 2015 #34

K&R Excellent post and thread. nt JEB Sep 2015 #39

Kick! !! FloriTexan Sep 2015 #40

This shit has been going on at least since Vietnam. JEB Sep 2015 #41

Refugees left Iraq early during US raids on their cities. madfloridian Sep 2015 #42

Yep, we Officially Screwed the Pooch dzhuboi Sep 2015 #44

Yes, seems we did that. madfloridian Sep 2015 #45

Events Leading Up to the 2003 Invasion of Iraq...interesting timeline madfloridian Sep 2015 #46

...! KoKo Sep 2015 #69

The BFEE has turned out to be... freebrew Sep 2015 #50

This is the most disturbing aspect: Smarmie Doofus Sep 2015 #52

The same crew, Third Way Dems and repubs, will do it all again when the war drums Zorra Sep 2015 #54

"The commentators who cheered on the conflict...are still feted" I hate liars Sep 2015 #55

Thanks for making the effort....They need to hear and have KoKo Sep 2015 #71

Perpetual war for profit against a nebulous enemy. raouldukelives Sep 2015 #58

What I cannot figure out is why the Europeans are being so nice . . FairWinds Sep 2015 #59

Let's not forget the Brits helped out too d_legendary1 Sep 2015 #64

At some point, one has to ask who profits. malthaussen Sep 2015 #62

PNAC. This entire warzone played out on paper for Cheney and his crew. Rex Sep 2015 #72

Chaos indeed, it gives those of US saidsimplesimon Sep 2015 #66

I kinda hate being right this time Bucky Sep 2015 #67

Chaos was the least of it. avaistheone1 Sep 2015 #68

as usual KG Sep 2015 #73

Project for a New American Century should be all the evidence anyone needs to convict Cheney Rex Sep 2015 #74

Rebuilding America's Defenses Raster Sep 2015 #83

Fantastic article. ForgoTheConsequence Sep 2015 #76

Ah, yes, those antiwar protests that were blacked out all over America. nt valerief Sep 2015 #78

Said it then, I'll say it again, "You can start a war, but you can't just stop it." L. Coyote Sep 2015 #79

There was never going to be any attempt to stop this war. Never. Raster Sep 2015 #84

It was supposed to be, in their crackpot plans, a quick and dirty conquest. The $$$$$ would be in WinkyDink Sep 2015 #91

Well, yes, that too, however, cheney*/bush* knew (well cheney*knew, bush* muddled through it... Raster Sep 2015 #92

I still beg to differ. They built the US's largest embasssy ever in Iraq. I think they wanted an WinkyDink Sep 2015 #95

I don't think we differ that much. Yes, we built the world's largest, most hardened embassy in Iraq Raster Sep 2015 #96

Heh---Your allusion to Puerto Rico got me thinking of "West Side Story." "I like to be in the WinkyDink Sep 2015 #103

Middle East Side Story! Raster Sep 2015 #104

Yes! WinkyDink Sep 2015 #105

One of the reasons I don't want to give Hillary the keys to the car. PassingFair Sep 2015 #80

Thank you for this excellent post, Madfloridian The Blue Flower Sep 2015 #85

Iraq seems to be a major cause, especially regarding Kurds and Iran ... JustABozoOnThisBus Sep 2015 #89

Yet another "N S, S" moment for the media to take note of, too little, too late. WinkyDink Sep 2015 #90

Gee. So many of the people who said the war was good are still on TV. Octafish Sep 2015 #93

..... madfloridian Sep 2015 #94

Recycled Reactionaries R Them Octafish Sep 2015 #98

Wow, great info. madfloridian Sep 2015 #100

Per the way it's all currently structured, there is no profit in peace. Raster Sep 2015 #97

Have you read Tyler Cowen, Raster? Octafish Sep 2015 #99

I remember how anthropologists who understood the region tried to be heard... polichick Sep 2015 #101

It is exactly why we stopped at the Kuwait-Iraq border in early 1991. roamer65 Sep 2015 #102